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7/7/2005  12:50 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

sigh...maybe the reason MSG doesn't normally show the summer league games is that they're worried about fans freaking out about a SCRIMMAGE. Sure, Frye didn't rebound. I'm not too worried about it. The leading rebounder in the game had 9 rebounds and he was 5'11" - Sebastian Telfair. There are always weird stats in summer league. Qyntel Woods scored 44 pts last year I believe. Loren Woods scored 30 pts one year. This was the first thing resembling a full contact practice our rooks have had and they came in facing a bunch of guys who got a LOT of NBA burn last year in Telfair and Outlaw and even Jin. The only guy on our roster with any NBA experience is Ariza. Butler barely played in the league. You have to give these kids some time.

My god. I can't believe you guys are freaking out after the first summer league game and then acting like you would have had the patience to wait on Bynum or Green to develop. Please, please, please! Why do you think Zeke has to build a team to win NOW NOW NOW? Look in the mirror. I'll say it again - this was essentially Frye, Nate and Lee's first full contact practice against NBA caliber competition - chill out.

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7/7/2005  12:54 AM
Posted by VDesai:

The only thing I'm expecting to see see out of these box scores is huge numbers from Trevor Ariza. He's the one with NBA experience, so he should be the one dominating. Looks like he had a really nice line tonight. I wonder if he made some jumpers.

As far as Frye, yeah he didn't board much. He probably won't board much. He's never boarded that much. He'll have plenty of time to work on that part of his game. I don't ever expect him to be a dominant rebounder, but if he can be agressive on the boards and get his share that will be fine. The one thing I'll take out of his statline is 6/6 from the line. Both he and David lee did a decent job drawing fouls.

Nice game from Nate too...

No point in bashing Frye. I really didn't want him before the draft too. But he's on our team now...let's give him a chance.

I'd be a little worried if the 43rd overall pick is the best player out of that entire roster. look drafting Frye as high as 8 was a mistake. Yeah Frye will be solid. Many consider Jason Collins solid, but every year superstars slip. this draft will be no different.I'm shocked Isiah didn't take the BPA. very unlike Isiah



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7/7/2005  1:09 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

I'd be a little worried if the 43rd overall pick is the best player out of that entire roster. look drafting Frye as high as 8 was a mistake. Yeah Frye will be solid. Many consider Jason Collins solid, but every year superstars slip. this draft will be no different.I'm shocked Isiah didn't take the BPA. very unlike Isiah



From what I can gather, Zeke did think he was the BPA at no.8 and was one of the best players in the draft (and if you want to believe what he says, the best player). I may have disagreed that he was the BPA, but I can't disagree with Zeke going out and getting the player he wanted all along. Let's see what he can do.

[Edited by - VDesai on 07/07/2005 01:09:58]
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7/7/2005  2:10 AM
That has to be last summer's Ariza.



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7/7/2005  2:24 AM


Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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7/7/2005  2:26 AM
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by BRIGGS:

[quote]Posted by PresIke:

[quote]Posted by gunsnewing:

[quote]Posted by simrud:

[quote]ummer League or not, lets not make excuses for Frye, hes telling everyone he is not soft and his first game he makes a statment 3 rebounds in 30 minutes. Im all for the first game excuse after 4 years of high caliber CBB, but Channing go stick your F neck in there and get 7-8 rebounds please. I know some people will pooh pooh this, but this is an experienced 6-11 guy, why is 5-8 nate robinson outrebounding him?

my thoughts exactly

oh baby you're going to hear from me all year long about how big a mistake we made taking Frye so high!

I really don't think you're alone here. Even though I wasn't a huge fan of the pick, I'm reserving judgement until it really matters. Some of y'all, who I generally respect, have a real flair for the dramatic with your posts and statements, as if making strong definitive statements about whatever is going to make one look smart. Every showing in one game turns into the be all-say all of a player's entire career. Saying that those who are commenting negatively about Frye are those that hated the pick and are likely displaying some bias here would be a gross understatement. Certainly, Frye's rebounding numbers, and shooting percentage were not good, and Nate & Ariza apparently played well but I seem to recall a certain Knick years ago lighting up summer league after being drafter...
We can say whatever we want. 1st game he'll be fine and I respect that and I agree as well. That being said, you come into your first SL game--after talking how you arent soft, and you go out and get 3 rebounds in 30 minutes and you are outrebounded by your 5-8 PG.
Even though its the first game, you dont let it pass if you are the Knicks coaching staff. It doesnt matter if this is the funky fun bunch league, or MTV jock n rock game, go get rebounds. That would be my only remark to him tomorrow, channing forget about shooting, get me 15 rebounds, the points will come much easier. Concentrate all your efforts on getting rebounds.



I can se the post tomoorow Frye flops isiah thomas lottery pick, who he purports is a better talent than Andrew Bogut, was outrebounded by their 5-8 PG 5-3 in a loss to Prtland.

I hear you on several points, and apologize if it sounded as if I was being snooty towards anyone here who made critical comments about Frye. One certainly has every right to write what one wants (within Forum regulations, I assume) and I strongly advocate looking at Channing with a critical eye. As I stated initially, I was not a big fan of the pick either, hoping we would have taken a risk with either Bynum, Green or a solid talent like Granger.

However, I think it might do Knick fans some good to give Frye a fair shake, and the Knicks organization to also do as you have advocated: have him focus on rebounding and defense. Certainly one hopesthe coaching staff is working on that with him so that he can become a more consistent contributer on the glass.

As for the fans, clearly everyone is going to say what they want, but none of us have any crystal balls, nor do any of the experts for that matter. Even the brightest minds in history have made mistakes, and the most seemingly foolhearty ones have turned into geniuses in the public eye before. Although I can't force anyone to follow my line of thinking, I believe one can say that I would just like to see some more significant evidence before a strong judgement is handed down, (not a reserved expression of concern, which I consider different) that's all.
Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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7/7/2005  2:34 AM
This is nice. I had to spend a lot of time reading all your posts and I have to tell you one thing: you guys are definitely Knicks Fans! Then you ask why many New York GM's think they have to trade the young players for veterans that can win now. Guys, are you reading what you are writing about a 22 year old rookie center playing his first game on a team where most of the players won't even be there when the REAL season starts? You are acting like if this game would dictate Frye's career! Then you wonder why GMs are afraid of rebuilding in NY when you fans demand a rookie to have all star numbers during his first season.

Did you guys forget that Summer League isn't really about winning, but about experimenting with the players, evaluating certain aspects of their game and work different things on them? Do we know if our coaches wanted to concentrate on offense, especially post offense, from Frye? We don't know!
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7/7/2005  2:36 AM
Posted by PresIke:
Thanks for posting the pics!
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7/7/2005  2:40 AM
The moment I read Frye had had just 3 rebounds, I knew it was going to be caos here. When I come here, I see 7 pages about it. LOL. Please! Isiah picked Frye, he is a Knick. Move on! Hope for the best! Grabbing only 3 rebounds in a Summer League game doesn't mean anything about the player he can/will be in the future. You talk about him like if he is what he is, and he can improve as much as any other young player. Relax! Enjoy rebuilding!
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7/7/2005  4:37 AM
Here's a bright spot in Frye's performance:

According to today's Daily News article, Frye was double teamed. I say that this is a bright spot because in my opinion if he can do that during the season (draw the double) I will be more than happy with his scoring being down. Of course, the rebounds have to come up. But Frye did say that he will get more rebounds today for sure. The fact that they're reporting that he was double teamed is really a brightspot for me because we haven't had a player of ours doubled downlow in a long long long time. LJ maybe?
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7/7/2005  7:20 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by simrud:

Frye with 3 rebounds? 5-15? Looks like he got outplayed by Ha. Pathetic.

Its only the first game, so lets give the guy some room, but anyone who has watched Channing frye over the last 4 years KNOWS he IS NOT a good rebounder, I really thought this would be exploited in the pros.

What we have to hope for is he can hold his own and shoot at a high % tonight he didnt but there are a lot of games out there. If he had to play against HA remember Ha is 7-3 325 and Channing has probably never seen anything like it.
Neither was Camby when he was drafted, nor was he as a pro. It wasnt until he was in the league for like 4-5 years and played under JVG did he then become a bigtime rebounder.

I'm not going to fly off the handle if Frye takes a little time. So long as he and the team is playing well.
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7/7/2005  7:23 AM
I heard that Frye got double team down in the post. It is nice to see that he can draw the double and maybe nate gets the pass from Frye and shoot from the arch or slam it down on a poor guy's face.
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7/7/2005  7:28 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

sigh...maybe the reason MSG doesn't normally show the summer league games is that they're worried about fans freaking out about a SCRIMMAGE. Sure, Frye didn't rebound. I'm not too worried about it. The leading rebounder in the game had 9 rebounds and he was 5'11" - Sebastian Telfair. There are always weird stats in summer league. Qyntel Woods scored 44 pts last year I believe. Loren Woods scored 30 pts one year. This was the first thing resembling a full contact practice our rooks have had and they came in facing a bunch of guys who got a LOT of NBA burn last year in Telfair and Outlaw and even Jin. The only guy on our roster with any NBA experience is Ariza. Butler barely played in the league. You have to give these kids some time.

My god. I can't believe you guys are freaking out after the first summer league game and then acting like you would have had the patience to wait on Bynum or Green to develop. Please, please, please! Why do you think Zeke has to build a team to win NOW NOW NOW? Look in the mirror. I'll say it again - this was essentially Frye, Nate and Lee's first full contact practice against NBA caliber competition - chill out.
agreed 100% Its all how guys play as a unit. The Port team had some very good players on it in Telfair and Outlaw. I'm just looking forward to watching tonight. Dying to see how Channing does defending the post, Lee's motor, Nate's speed, JB and Ariza's new found guns.
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7/7/2005  7:47 AM
i can't believe we're alresdy under .500 for the season.

That's it - i'm giving up on the Knicks.
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7/7/2005  7:51 AM
Forget this Frye, Lee, Nate and Aroza. This guy Otis???? if you take his stats and expand it to 42 minutes-18 boards, 18 points-we really lucked out with him. Oh should also note 18 fouls. RElax-they're playing in what looks like a high school gym.
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7/7/2005  8:31 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by simrud:

[quote]ummer League or not, lets not make excuses for Frye, hes telling everyone he is not soft and his first game he makes a statment 3 rebounds in 30 minutes. Im all for the first game excuse after 4 years of high caliber CBB, but Channing go stick your F neck in there and get 7-8 rebounds please. I know some people will pooh pooh this, but this is an experienced 6-11 guy, why is 5-8 nate robinson outrebounding him?

my thoughts exactly

oh baby you're going to hear from me all year long about how big a mistake we made taking Frye so high!

I really don't think you're alone here. Even though I wasn't a huge fan of the pick, I'm reserving judgement until it really matters. Some of y'all, who I generally respect, have a real flair for the dramatic with your posts and statements, as if making strong definitive statements about whatever is going to make one look smart.
And you don't have a flair for the dramatic? A lot of people here would give you first place in that category

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07/07/2005 08:35:41]
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7/7/2005  8:37 AM
Why do some people think all our eggs are in the Channing Frye basket and if he doesn't play great the franchise is destroyed? He's important, but he's one of 8 talented, promising young players on the roster.
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7/7/2005  8:47 AM
First of, for Dido: you have yet to post a post that made sense and was not absolutley idiotic. I have long ago concluded that you are out of your mind, and generally ignore you, but now you are becoming mean spirited, too. Just stuff it you nut lol.

Now with that out of the way, I think that as long as Frye works on it he may be fine. The only reason people are upset still is because we feal that Green and Granger are both much better players, and we did not take them. It's all just a draft attached sentiments. In a few weeks I'll convince myself Frye is ok, and only bash him for being him, not not being somebody else lol.

I was thinkin about it and we did outrebound Portland by 1 as a team, so maybe other people got the boards, and Portland did shoot a high percentage like someone said. Frye also did get 2 offensie rebounds. So thats pretty good.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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7/7/2005  8:53 AM
The one player I am interested on reading or watching is Butler. To me, this cat may very well be a good player, but until he gets some decent playing time we will never know what he is capable off. He did some pretty good things last night. Why in the world is he listed as Center...??? is he a Center or a PF?
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