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martin wrote:I've never seen this level of directness

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I wish he would tell us what the **** he’s really thinking.

Let me help with that: THE REFS SUCK lol

BigDaddyG wrote:How am I free if I'm unable to laugh at this without coughing up a lung?

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The guy clearly has an intellect and it certainly drags him into unfortunate stances.

But I don't find this particular one "funny" per se.

Is the approach and delivery ill-conceived? Sure. But there is compassion there underneath. You want to laugh at him for making it out him, understood. But their's at least a legit subject in there somewhere.

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Alpha1971 wrote:Is Moe Harkles a free agent ? Knicks should pick him up for insurance at the 4.

Why do you want to squeeze Obi's minutes so much lol I find this funny

I want insurance in case Randall or Obi get injured like Brunson has been. What's so funny about that ?

Is Moe Harkless in a place where he'd accept a "break glass in a case of emergency" end-of-the-bench role?

I don't know, I'm really asking.

Why wouldn't he ?

The text of my question is is Moe Harkless in a place in his career where he isn't prioritizing regular PT and is accepting of a low PT bench role. Not everyone would be. Some guys see themselves as rotation players and seek out rotation roles.

What else he doing at the moment ? But anyway do t matter they signed Moses Brown

I wasn't aware he was a FA and hadn't played this year.

That's what I was asking earnestly.

Personally i think Kylie has said and done enough foolish things to blow his credibility, which is always hard won but easily lost

But that said, i think they do have an important role, and think of guys like Mohammed ALi and others

Chandler wrote:I think it would be an interesting thread to explore athletes’ role in addressing larger social issues

Personally i think Kylie has said and done enough foolish things to blow his credibility, which is always hard won but easily lost

Credibility is contextually relevant.

Kyrie Irving isn't asking anyone to take his word for anything in a dispute.

He isn't claiming to report something previously unknown based on unnamed sources.

In THIS he's expressing an idea.

To dismiss the idea because it came from him is a little lazy.

And I'm not saying it a good idea or above criticism or rebuke, just that the idea should be judged on its own merits independent of Irving's "credibility."

What you may believe about Irving's motivations is another story.

That was his left ankle. He ruptured his right achilles few years back.
That ankle folded on the layup line. No contact, not off balance freaky landing. It just died on him.
Awful news for the Suns nation and hope. Him and Lebron admirable efforts into their 30's. This is not the end for Durant, but this is a clear reminder of starphuching with these wiley vets.
Few and far between the ones that can stay durable. Kareem was propelled with a few HOF around him in their primes. Thats not to diminish in any way his achievements. Its just fact.
What lebron has done until now has been awesome.
the older superstar? its something we have not had cause to enter as we are not ready for guys like that.
They might be finishing pieces but you can't build around them.
Nets might have done quite well selling off their pieces. Outside of simmons of course.

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Nalod wrote:Durant:

That was his left ankle. He ruptured his right achilles few years back.
That ankle folded on the layup line. No contact, not off balance freaky landing. It just died on him.
Awful news for the Suns nation and hope. Him and Lebron admirable efforts into their 30's. This is not the end for Durant, but this is a clear reminder of starphuching with these wiley vets.
Few and far between the ones that can stay durable. Kareem was propelled with a few HOF around him in their primes. Thats not to diminish in any way his achievements. Its just fact.
What lebron has done until now has been awesome.
the older superstar? its something we have not had cause to enter as we are not ready for guys like that.
They might be finishing pieces but you can't build around them.
Nets might have done quite well selling off their pieces. Outside of simmons of course.

I thought he slipped on water and that caused everything else after?

If you watch the highlight closely, he actually slips on nothing. The team and staff were all on the court, there was no water. He legitimately went up for a layup and his foot was almost a magnet to the court, rolling quickly. I’ll be honest, it was one of the strangest non-contact injuries I’ve seen. The assumption was that he slipped on water because the actual way he rolled his ankle didn’t really make much sense.

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Knickoftime wrote:

Chandler wrote:I think it would be an interesting thread to explore athletes’ role in addressing larger social issues

Personally i think Kylie has said and done enough foolish things to blow his credibility, which is always hard won but easily lost

Credibility is contextually relevant.

Kyrie Irving isn't asking anyone to take his word for anything in a dispute.

He isn't claiming to report something previously unknown based on unnamed sources.

In THIS he's expressing an idea.

To dismiss the idea because it came from him is a little lazy.

And I'm not saying it a good idea or above criticism or rebuke, just that the idea should be judged on its own merits independent of Irving's "credibility."

What you may believe about Irving's motivations is another story.

There are tons of ideas from tons of people. And in this msrketplace of ideas i find it very hard to accept that people will or should look to Kylie for kernels of wisdom when in the next breath he might be talking about flst earth, or anti-semitism. He’s a fool or at least presents as one. So i disagree that credibility is irrelevant in this context or any context really

The only reason he even gets air time on things like this is for entertainment value. It’s a little cruel to shine the spotlight on him just hoping that he’ll follow one comment with one of his doozies. There are a lot of self-anointed woke warriors in the NBA who sell liquor, glorify gang culture, and turn blind eyes to tons of other useful issues (eg labor conditions at shoe factories) when it interferes with them getting their next 10-20 million (as if they needed it). There are also tons of good ones

People should be very selective in who they choose to listen to

Thing is Chandler, its not really a marketplace per se... ideas (in this case) are free and i'm not really 'looking' to Kyle Irving for wisdom. This video found its way into my line of sight, and it requires no effort on my part to consider it on its own merits.

A standard tactic of debate is to try to discredit the person rather than their argument, and I kind of perceive that's where you're going. Our public-social-'political' discourse has become one big game of rejecting ideas by mocking and attacking the source. Unwittingly or intentionally you give an example:

You describe hypocrisy of "self-appointed woke warriors" which immediately derisively dismisses anyone whose "woke" ideology you presumably disagree with, thereby extension any idea they express.

Works the opposite way too. Don't like an idea, find someone you don't like who endorses it. Boom! Automatic grounds to discredit it.

It's just one way to reject a whole swath of ideas in one fell swoop. More or less (and in this case), 'shut up and dribble.'

It's this approach I find to more contribute to the problem than alleviates it.

As I say, I get Kryie Irving's issues based on his body of work. No argument. But I don't have to at the same time mock, reject, or dismiss empathy for other human beings in difficult circumstances because it happened to come out of Kryie Irving's mouth. My first response to his idea isn't to say 'yeah, but Kyrie... weirdo and/or hypocrite.' My first response to his idea is to his idea. Because why not? I got time.

Based on your "self-appointed woke warriors" comment, I suspect our ideology is very different, but I wouldn't reject an idea you had because it was you expressing it, or for that matter any public or political figure whose conduct or intellect I've in the past found ignorant or repugnant. I'll consider an earnest idea from anyone and judge it on ITS merits.