meloanyk wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:Do we need a law and order President when crime is at historic lows???..There was an uptick recently...Will he take credit to keeping crime low??..Propaganda he is peddling...Chicago is an anomaly because of how and where the ghettos were built...It's not only about law enforcement..

The Grand bargain was bypassed by the republicans in Congress..It was projected to cut the debt by 4 trillion over the next decade..Republicans didn't want to give Obama the win...They don't care about the country, they care about their party..Look at how the run to give Putin cover...Trump is borderline exhibiting treasonous behavior...He is endorsing a man hiding out in an embassy for an alleged sex offense over our intelligence agencies...

Repatriation will to go stock buyback and bonuses...Everyone knows it and they don't care...

I don't care man...They will rob the joint blind...And their supporters will defend them like they give Putin cover...

Trump bribed an attorney general with money from his foundation...He bilked people in Trump University and quietly paid a 25 million dollar fine..No one talked about it the next day....His family was harking stuff online after the Election trying to make money..His daughter is still making cloths in China...

The hypocrisy is mind blowing...I just cant take this Trump thing seriously...

Icahn is advises him and trades billions annually in the markets just picked the head of the SEC and head of the EPA...He owns oil and gas businesses...Who are you really kidding about Trump and his crew???..Come on..

Trump hasn't paid taxes in two decades and you are worried about a family member getting food stamps...Bro, come on...


I'm just completely dumbfounded at people trying to make articulate arguments in favor of this guy...

POST OF THE YEAR!!! Bravo 👏🏾

you can't make articulate arguments b/c he is full of sh t with no plans. he's being played like a puppet by multiple parties that have no concern for the american people. folks got caught up in the hustle and couldn't get past their own sh t.

It's just more proof that Bill Maher is right that Americans are STUPID! They fell for Trump's BS and ALL THE EVIDENCE showed he was a LIAR, CHEAT, GREEDY, SELFISH, STUPID, PETTY AND A DANGEROUS man. How could anyone with a reasonable thought process believe Trump was worthy of being given THE MOST important job in the world???

To give Trump of all people the ULTIMATE power is almost unforgivable. I thought Bush was bad enough, but this takes the cake. The most unqualified and undeserving person they could pick. I dare one of his supporters on this forum to defend this guy. Come and make the case for why Trump should be leader of the free world.

Trump voters are a cross section of many groups and not particularly one ideology...Some of these folks are people who felt left out of the "Big City" conversation...This is their way to say FU to the "educated" class..A lot of people got left out of progress the last two decades..Little they know that City folks are in the same boat...Not really Obama's fault but the Democrats didn't deliver the message to the poor and middle class...Obama and his supporters came across a smarty pants elite types who look down on them...Bill Maher types...Repealing the ACA is saying FU to Obama, even if it means many of them losing healthcare coverage...They just out of the frying pan into the fire...Trump and his bandits will rob them blind...You saw the House as their first action tried to do away with the Ethics Office..They want in on the grand fleecing that is about to go down...

Why do you think that all this thing to transpire under Trump is a bad final outcome?
It will bring clarity eater way.
We have majority of the society completely delirious of the REAL problems we have from both sides of the Trump divide.
The main POSITIVE from Trump election is that TRUTH will come up inevitably.
Do you afraid to see it? If not that what is your point?

Because Trump is a class A crook...He has stolen from people and bragged about it..He bribed an Attorney General of Florida..He swindled people in "Trump University"..He prodded Diplomats to use his Hotel in Washington and they are doing it...His friend and adviser hand picked the head of the SEC and EPA...He invest billions in the market and owns Oil and Gas companies...
What do you think will change about him when he gets to the white house...He is lining up his friends in key positions...Who is being naive???

Trump is telling his supporters not to believe the press and they are complying...So what truth are you talking about??..My fear is that we would have lost many gains like Healthcare for 25 million people(8.8 mil signed up since Nov 1st). The Economy, War in the middle east again, climate change, etc...Missing the chance to be the leader in Asia..

The fact is that crime stats have trended down since the passage of the Crime Bill of 94 that was passed under the Clinton administration partly in response to black leaders who wanted stricter enforcement in their neighborhoods since they were being overrun by black crime and drugs, that decline continued thru Bush and President Obama admins but that legislation has now been bashed by many in the last two years as part of the reason for low black family formation. Under President Obama there has been lower imprisonment and legislation was passed regarding differences in sentencing including crack and powder cocaine but the issue of imprisonment for marijuana alone has been proven to be very minimal and claims to other effects proven to be false. President Obama rightfully raised criminal justice reform and biased policing in his second term but that message was received poorly on the streets. Police were accused of receding by many urban communities, there were numerous police shootings and crime rates have ticked up in cities. The sad reality is that blacks still committed more murders in 2016 than any race despite being only 13 % of the population. The other reality is that gangs continue to grow and flourish in many areas across the nation and attacks by extremists still occur especially in western countries so yeh many LAW ABIDING people wanted a law and order president. Rather shallow to pass over the travesty in Chicago and hypocritical not to make black lives lost there a national issue. Do you really think that today's mainstream media is not biased and does not distort and attempt to influence? Good lord, even President Obama has said in interviews that all msm do whether it be NYT and CNN for Dems or the Post and Fox for Pubs but only Trump is nutty enuff to call them out and take them on even though he provides them daily ammunition with his bizarre tweets. I read the Russian hawking unclassified summary that tv channel RT America was delivering Russian propaganda. Seriously? that has been known for years just as other channels are known for other propaganda. The other great revelation was that Putin favored Trump and Kremlin while surprised was celebrating the election results because they thought trump would better fight ISIS with them and have closer business relations. Treason my sss, sign me up for better diplomatic relations with another superpower instead of the detente where we are not even at the discussion table of ceasing genocide in Aleppo though Hillary still thought it was up for grabs. Hope Trump reverses those politically driven Russia sanctions on day one and both countries get back to spying on each other like always. 9mil people signed up for health insurance since November? ACA has been around for nearly seven years , nothing but a rush by the young , poor and insured including my daughter at my urging to be on the books before upcoming changes, preexisting conditions will rightfully be kept but expect small business community to rejoice. President Obama and the Clintons admitted it was flawed so question begs why didn't they refine it. Rather just cote health coverage, the issue should be on affordable healthcare. The economy? Bush certainly focked us up but its been eight long years and we have a slow economy that is still mending. The spin is a 75 months of positive employments but any substantive economist will tell you that creating 156 k at this point is terrible and that our low employment rate is more the result of labor market participation that is historically low and crappy part time jobs. Wage growth and standard of living are still lower than ten years ago but we have certainly made progress on lgbt issues though blacks continue to fall behind in every economic measure during this slow recovery and btw increases in blacks using food stamps and poverty levels should not be stupidly dismissed as a result of President Obama 's tax rates. Instead the discussion and question raised should be why is this still the case given the monies expended and target programs over the last fifty years. Everybody should worry about college affordability but first focus for blacks should be on early school education as academic stats have shown only 5% of black students in hs are proficient nuff in the four subjects to be ready for community college. The issues of school vouchers should be explored more fully because Title 1 has accomplished little and every study from independent educational research shows that money alone has not closed gaps. If private schools are right for President Obama's or Trumps children rather than a DC public than the same should apply to other young blacks. Climate control? Im not a scientist but clean energy seems proper. Finally, Trump is unpresidential and may turn out to be a disaster, his many supporters may regret their vote but they decided that this country needed a sparkplug and that the Dems offered a candidate inferior to President Obama. Biden choose not to run and Dems wrongly assumed demographics had to fall their way. White vote won President Obama his presidency as much as the black vote, white vote lost Hillary her presidency. Calling them racist or dumb is a bit short sighted. Trump is our president in two weeks and I wish him well, he has displayed some intuition reading the landscape but he also flies by the seat of his pants, he has shown that he will not be restrained by being correct or consistent which is somewhat t refreshing but most alarming. Time will tell

I didn't read all of the stuff written because the format is just horrible..But most of the stuff I read was already debated by me and written in another thread..The Crime Bill has already been proven not to have the impact on crime you have stated...

One thing stood out in the above...Politically driven sanctions against Russia???..What politics are you referring to??..Did you miss the invasion of Ukraine and Crimea??..Putin is now your bestie because he is Trump's new BFF???

And do you understand that Russia was part of the Genocide in Aleppo???..Or is that OK when it's a bestie doing the killing???

This is where I stopped reading because it wasn't worth the aggravation sifting thru that mess...You can't be taken seriously...

If you want a serious debate, lets look at the accepted facts and debate them...You can google the crime bill to see it had almost no effect on the crime rate...If you can't at least do that, we are both wasting our time....

Spare me the childishness. Of course you read the entirety of my long post despite any horrible format, parts just don't jive with the default and narrative that prevails here, one that avoids and resents discussion of any failings by blacks or President Obama. Anyway, I assume that you are aware of the recent sanctions on Russian intelligence and ambassadors which were politically inspired Imo as was the recent lecture to Israel by Biden. President Obama had numerous strengths but he and admin mishandled so many foreign issues and failed diplomacies included Crimea and Syria. As you previously said , Iran dictated policy to us while genocide was occurring in Aleppo. Right? Russia, Iran and Turkey sitting around the table deciding Syria's fate with U.S on the sidelines. Good Lord. Being facetious but couldn't President Obama at least tell Putin to cut it out like he did several months ago? As far as the crime rate, what is indisputable is that crime began to fall in absolute numbers immediately after the the crime bill for several years, everyone knows that other inputs always factor. What should be relatively clear is that police presence and crime tend to have a correlation and Chicago is first hand proof and the rhetoric resulted in some retrenchment of policing, increased shootings of police and a uptick in crime. Different prisms, different perspectives. Hope another fifty years don't go by and the same discussions are being had by another generation

Crime did drop in the years after the bill passed, as Clinton said, but he gives too much credit to the crime bill for that. Experts who have studied the impact of the law say forces independent of the law were mostly responsible for the crime drop.

A Government Accountability Office report in 2005 estimated that the 1994 crime bill resulted in 88,000 additional police officers between 1994 and 2001, and that the influx of new police officers resulted in “modest” drop in crime.

The GAO concluded that between 1993 and 2000 the Community Oriented Policing Services(COPS) funds “contributed to a 1.3 percent decline in the overall crime rate and a 2.5 percent decline in the violent crime rate from the 1993 levels.” Still, the GAO concluded, “Factors other than COPS funds accounted for the majority of the decline in crime during this period.”

What were those other factors? Increased employment, better policing methods, an aging of the population, growth in income and inflation, to name a few.

More to glance over...
http://www.npr.org/2014/09/12/347736999/20-years-later-major-crime-bill-viewed-as-terrible-mistake
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/09/14/us/experts-doubt-effectiveness-of-crime-bill.html?pagewanted=all

And if you really want to get in depth..But I think you think you already have all the answers...
http://crimebill20.vera.org/justiceinfocus

P.S.

I noticed you mentioned blacks lead statistically in murder despite being on 13% of the population...They also lead in robbery...But what about the other 28 notable categories according to the FBI stats??

holfresh wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:Do we need a law and order President when crime is at historic lows???..There was an uptick recently...Will he take credit to keeping crime low??..Propaganda he is peddling...Chicago is an anomaly because of how and where the ghettos were built...It's not only about law enforcement..

The Grand bargain was bypassed by the republicans in Congress..It was projected to cut the debt by 4 trillion over the next decade..Republicans didn't want to give Obama the win...They don't care about the country, they care about their party..Look at how the run to give Putin cover...Trump is borderline exhibiting treasonous behavior...He is endorsing a man hiding out in an embassy for an alleged sex offense over our intelligence agencies...

Repatriation will to go stock buyback and bonuses...Everyone knows it and they don't care...

I don't care man...They will rob the joint blind...And their supporters will defend them like they give Putin cover...

Trump bribed an attorney general with money from his foundation...He bilked people in Trump University and quietly paid a 25 million dollar fine..No one talked about it the next day....His family was harking stuff online after the Election trying to make money..His daughter is still making cloths in China...

The hypocrisy is mind blowing...I just cant take this Trump thing seriously...

Icahn is advises him and trades billions annually in the markets just picked the head of the SEC and head of the EPA...He owns oil and gas businesses...Who are you really kidding about Trump and his crew???..Come on..

Trump hasn't paid taxes in two decades and you are worried about a family member getting food stamps...Bro, come on...


I'm just completely dumbfounded at people trying to make articulate arguments in favor of this guy...

POST OF THE YEAR!!! Bravo 👏🏾

you can't make articulate arguments b/c he is full of sh t with no plans. he's being played like a puppet by multiple parties that have no concern for the american people. folks got caught up in the hustle and couldn't get past their own sh t.

It's just more proof that Bill Maher is right that Americans are STUPID! They fell for Trump's BS and ALL THE EVIDENCE showed he was a LIAR, CHEAT, GREEDY, SELFISH, STUPID, PETTY AND A DANGEROUS man. How could anyone with a reasonable thought process believe Trump was worthy of being given THE MOST important job in the world???

To give Trump of all people the ULTIMATE power is almost unforgivable. I thought Bush was bad enough, but this takes the cake. The most unqualified and undeserving person they could pick. I dare one of his supporters on this forum to defend this guy. Come and make the case for why Trump should be leader of the free world.

Trump voters are a cross section of many groups and not particularly one ideology...Some of these folks are people who felt left out of the "Big City" conversation...This is their way to say FU to the "educated" class..A lot of people got left out of progress the last two decades..Little they know that City folks are in the same boat...Not really Obama's fault but the Democrats didn't deliver the message to the poor and middle class...Obama and his supporters came across a smarty pants elite types who look down on them...Bill Maher types...Repealing the ACA is saying FU to Obama, even if it means many of them losing healthcare coverage...They just out of the frying pan into the fire...Trump and his bandits will rob them blind...You saw the House as their first action tried to do away with the Ethics Office..They want in on the grand fleecing that is about to go down...

Why do you think that all this thing to transpire under Trump is a bad final outcome?
It will bring clarity eater way.
We have majority of the society completely delirious of the REAL problems we have from both sides of the Trump divide.
The main POSITIVE from Trump election is that TRUTH will come up inevitably.
Do you afraid to see it? If not that what is your point?

Because Trump is a class A crook...He has stolen from people and bragged about it..He bribed an Attorney General of Florida..He swindled people in "Trump University"..He prodded Diplomats to use his Hotel in Washington and they are doing it...His friend and adviser hand picked the head of the SEC and EPA...He invest billions in the market and owns Oil and Gas companies...
What do you think will change about him when he gets to the white house...He is lining up his friends in key positions...Who is being naive???

Trump is telling his supporters not to believe the press and they are complying...So what truth are you talking about??..My fear is that we would have lost many gains like Healthcare for 25 million people(8.8 mil signed up since Nov 1st). The Economy, War in the middle east again, climate change, etc...Missing the chance to be the leader in Asia..

The fact is that crime stats have trended down since the passage of the Crime Bill of 94 that was passed under the Clinton administration partly in response to black leaders who wanted stricter enforcement in their neighborhoods since they were being overrun by black crime and drugs, that decline continued thru Bush and President Obama admins but that legislation has now been bashed by many in the last two years as part of the reason for low black family formation. Under President Obama there has been lower imprisonment and legislation was passed regarding differences in sentencing including crack and powder cocaine but the issue of imprisonment for marijuana alone has been proven to be very minimal and claims to other effects proven to be false. President Obama rightfully raised criminal justice reform and biased policing in his second term but that message was received poorly on the streets. Police were accused of receding by many urban communities, there were numerous police shootings and crime rates have ticked up in cities. The sad reality is that blacks still committed more murders in 2016 than any race despite being only 13 % of the population. The other reality is that gangs continue to grow and flourish in many areas across the nation and attacks by extremists still occur especially in western countries so yeh many LAW ABIDING people wanted a law and order president. Rather shallow to pass over the travesty in Chicago and hypocritical not to make black lives lost there a national issue. Do you really think that today's mainstream media is not biased and does not distort and attempt to influence? Good lord, even President Obama has said in interviews that all msm do whether it be NYT and CNN for Dems or the Post and Fox for Pubs but only Trump is nutty enuff to call them out and take them on even though he provides them daily ammunition with his bizarre tweets. I read the Russian hawking unclassified summary that tv channel RT America was delivering Russian propaganda. Seriously? that has been known for years just as other channels are known for other propaganda. The other great revelation was that Putin favored Trump and Kremlin while surprised was celebrating the election results because they thought trump would better fight ISIS with them and have closer business relations. Treason my sss, sign me up for better diplomatic relations with another superpower instead of the detente where we are not even at the discussion table of ceasing genocide in Aleppo though Hillary still thought it was up for grabs. Hope Trump reverses those politically driven Russia sanctions on day one and both countries get back to spying on each other like always. 9mil people signed up for health insurance since November? ACA has been around for nearly seven years , nothing but a rush by the young , poor and insured including my daughter at my urging to be on the books before upcoming changes, preexisting conditions will rightfully be kept but expect small business community to rejoice. President Obama and the Clintons admitted it was flawed so question begs why didn't they refine it. Rather just cote health coverage, the issue should be on affordable healthcare. The economy? Bush certainly focked us up but its been eight long years and we have a slow economy that is still mending. The spin is a 75 months of positive employments but any substantive economist will tell you that creating 156 k at this point is terrible and that our low employment rate is more the result of labor market participation that is historically low and crappy part time jobs. Wage growth and standard of living are still lower than ten years ago but we have certainly made progress on lgbt issues though blacks continue to fall behind in every economic measure during this slow recovery and btw increases in blacks using food stamps and poverty levels should not be stupidly dismissed as a result of President Obama 's tax rates. Instead the discussion and question raised should be why is this still the case given the monies expended and target programs over the last fifty years. Everybody should worry about college affordability but first focus for blacks should be on early school education as academic stats have shown only 5% of black students in hs are proficient nuff in the four subjects to be ready for community college. The issues of school vouchers should be explored more fully because Title 1 has accomplished little and every study from independent educational research shows that money alone has not closed gaps. If private schools are right for President Obama's or Trumps children rather than a DC public than the same should apply to other young blacks. Climate control? Im not a scientist but clean energy seems proper. Finally, Trump is unpresidential and may turn out to be a disaster, his many supporters may regret their vote but they decided that this country needed a sparkplug and that the Dems offered a candidate inferior to President Obama. Biden choose not to run and Dems wrongly assumed demographics had to fall their way. White vote won President Obama his presidency as much as the black vote, white vote lost Hillary her presidency. Calling them racist or dumb is a bit short sighted. Trump is our president in two weeks and I wish him well, he has displayed some intuition reading the landscape but he also flies by the seat of his pants, he has shown that he will not be restrained by being correct or consistent which is somewhat t refreshing but most alarming. Time will tell

I didn't read all of the stuff written because the format is just horrible..But most of the stuff I read was already debated by me and written in another thread..The Crime Bill has already been proven not to have the impact on crime you have stated...

One thing stood out in the above...Politically driven sanctions against Russia???..What politics are you referring to??..Did you miss the invasion of Ukraine and Crimea??..Putin is now your bestie because he is Trump's new BFF???

And do you understand that Russia was part of the Genocide in Aleppo???..Or is that OK when it's a bestie doing the killing???

This is where I stopped reading because it wasn't worth the aggravation sifting thru that mess...You can't be taken seriously...

If you want a serious debate, lets look at the accepted facts and debate them...You can google the crime bill to see it had almost no effect on the crime rate...If you can't at least do that, we are both wasting our time....

Spare me the childishness. Of course you read the entirety of my long post despite any horrible format, parts just don't jive with the default and narrative that prevails here, one that avoids and resents discussion of any failings by blacks or President Obama. Anyway, I assume that you are aware of the recent sanctions on Russian intelligence and ambassadors which were politically inspired Imo as was the recent lecture to Israel by Biden. President Obama had numerous strengths but he and admin mishandled so many foreign issues and failed diplomacies included Crimea and Syria. As you previously said , Iran dictated policy to us while genocide was occurring in Aleppo. Right? Russia, Iran and Turkey sitting around the table deciding Syria's fate with U.S on the sidelines. Good Lord. Being facetious but couldn't President Obama at least tell Putin to cut it out like he did several months ago? As far as the crime rate, what is indisputable is that crime began to fall in absolute numbers immediately after the the crime bill for several years, everyone knows that other inputs always factor. What should be relatively clear is that police presence and crime tend to have a correlation and Chicago is first hand proof and the rhetoric resulted in some retrenchment of policing, increased shootings of police and a uptick in crime. Different prisms, different perspectives. Hope another fifty years don't go by and the same discussions are being had by another generation

Ha..On the contraire, one resents your posting due to lack of facts and sources...If you call actions spurred on the US government, to protect US interest, "politically inspired", so be it...Maybe the Russian official is correct who said the Republican Party trust Putin more than they can trust Democrats...Putin not only will have a mouthpiece in the White House and Congress, but also in the Trump supporters...Interesting...I have always held the premise that Republicans put their Party ahead of the Country. That statement holds true today more than ever...



This is where the Republicans have been for a long time...

I find it interesting Republicans are willing to cozy up to Putin despite taking part in the Genocide of Aleppo and asking why Obama didn't do anything about it..Any hint of hypocracy there??, Not even a touch??..Assking why we didn't do anything about Crimea and now want to cozy up with the villain himself??..Stupid shet is what I say...

The "lecture" to Israel was given by John Kerry, not Joe Biden... ..If you need a link, let me know...

In regards to the Crime Bill shoot facts, sources and studies at me instead of lip service..I already know where you Republicans stand on things...

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/04/bill-clinton-and-the-1994-crime-bill/

Effect on the Crime Rate

Crime did drop in the years after the bill passed, as Clinton said, but he gives too much credit to the crime bill for that. Experts who have studied the impact of the law say forces independent of the law were mostly responsible for the crime drop.

A Government Accountability Office report in 2005 estimated that the 1994 crime bill resulted in 88,000 additional police officers between 1994 and 2001, and that the influx of new police officers resulted in “modest” drop in crime.

The GAO concluded that between 1993 and 2000 the Community Oriented Policing Services(COPS) funds “contributed to a 1.3 percent decline in the overall crime rate and a 2.5 percent decline in the violent crime rate from the 1993 levels.” Still, the GAO concluded, “Factors other than COPS funds accounted for the majority of the decline in crime during this period.”

What were those other factors? Increased employment, better policing methods, an aging of the population, growth in income and inflation, to name a few.

More to glance over...
http://www.npr.org/2014/09/12/347736999/20-years-later-major-crime-bill-viewed-as-terrible-mistake
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/09/14/us/experts-doubt-effectiveness-of-crime-bill.html?pagewanted=all

And if you really want to get in depth..But I think you think you already have all the answers...
http://crimebill20.vera.org/justiceinfocus

P.S.

I noticed you mentioned blacks lead statistically in murder despite being on 13% of the population...They also lead in robbery...But what about the other 28 notable categories according to the FBI stats??

Did you just spend all that time copying and pasting articles to confirm my previous comments above about the crime bill? Appreciate. Can you now google those fbi crime stats you raised and report on those additional 28 categories, make sure to multiple the hard numbers by five to account for differences in population for proper comparison.

As Ive stated, progress on several fronts has been slow for black people over the last fifty years and progress over the last eight under President Obama has not been what was hoped for. Achievement gaps have not really narrowed despite many programs and monies thrown at that problem. Still awaiting an opinion on school vouchers vs Title I . As Ive opined from the beginning of this extended thread, early education academic gaps are the crux of the problem and the culture of the black underclass has much to blame. You might want to check on compensation levels of races when educational achievements are comparable.

Pubs have always been criticized as being hawks, their sudden portrayal as softies now to fit a narrative is bemusing. Our foreign diplomacy with so many countries has been a utter failure

Being dismissive and labeling the few who counter as trump supporters, hateful pubs and Putin besties is rather childish.

Putin is hard sss and Russia broke international law annexing Crimea, sanctions by the U.S and NATO were warranted. Research the history and factors that led to the Crimean people overwhelming supporting a referendum to rejoin Russia. Given the same circumstances, same geography, same security interests and no one can say with absolute certainty if our self interests would have led our decision makers to similar action.

Poor attempt to deflect from our weakness in Syria. Syrian and Russian actions speak for themselves .Our absence and confusion speaks for itself. Tendency here to pass over subjects that don't lend to the prevailing narrative whether it be black on white crime, black on black crime or our foreign policy miscues. Cmon bro

Finally, Ill stand by my contention that the recent sanctions and Israel blast were politically inspired. President Obama overplayed the former in a current attempt to delegitimize Trump. I can disagree with Israeli settlements but also say that you don't pull that stunt in a transition, there was eight years to do that. That was self serving and did nothing to assist future talks

That declassified summary was farcical. It's been known that the U.S., Russia and China as well as other actors have engaged in spreading propaganda for years through various mediums. RT news channel , website and twitter account has been out there for years and the intelligence was known for quite some time but played up during the debate and after the result. If anything, it cost Trump votes. Dust off some Chomsky books and see where we meddled as well as how we were involved in influencing numerous elections as was Russia. The number was over 100. You may also recall that China was promoting Clinton in 96 election bringing into question many of the Dem policies that were favorable to them.

Please double check my spelling and make sure I dont mix Biden n Kerry. Hope everyone liked the breaks.

holfresh wrote:This is kind of silly that you will actually pretend the articles I posted agree with your point of view..Ok..Not many things surprised me but that did..No more comments on that..

If you agree that Russia broke international law then why would you say the sanctions were politically motivated???..I do also noticed that it's the latest Republican narrative...They didn't have that opinion in 2013 when it was first applied...I wonder what might have occurred that might change their opinion on the matter...

Obama wasn't the first US President to abstain on a settlement vote, as a matter of fact Reagan was the last..So how is it political in nature???..It was the political norm to abstain according to Jim Baker, Reagan's Secretary of State, today on Meet to Press...Look it up...

I know you said Biden and not Kerry..

Anyway, I assume that you are aware of the recent sanctions on Russian intelligence and ambassadors which were politically inspired Imo as was the recent lecture to Israel by Biden.

I really not as engaged in the conversation because you aren't being an honest broker...I can't waste time making an argument when you act like it actually supports your point of view when clearly it doesn't..

Also you seem to be pointing out things you may have written I didn't respond to..I really didn't read it due to your format...

Please do continue to comment so I can correct.

You might want to reread what I said about the crime bill, started the drop in rates for several years, continued thru Bush and Obama admins, pushed for by black leadership and enacted by Clinton, later criticized for impacting black family formation, other factors in play that contributed, President legislated sentencing, lowered imprisonment, other factors in play that contributed etc

I do appreciate all your googling though

Did I say sanctions in 2013 were warranted or politically motivated?. Let me know. Do you simply think you can disregard the timing of the bashing of Israel? Yeh, ur a honest broker. Poor form by President Obama and not in the nation's best interest. I know I said Biden instead of Kerry, do you see a denial, happens when you type several responses at midnight in a long format and dont take the time to recheck. Ill leave that task up to you

Still waiting on the school voucher opinion given little progress, know it takes time to find. Have those fbi stats yet?

Cartman718 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:Do we need a law and order President when crime is at historic lows???..There was an uptick recently...Will he take credit to keeping crime low??..Propaganda he is peddling...Chicago is an anomaly because of how and where the ghettos were built...It's not only about law enforcement..

The Grand bargain was bypassed by the republicans in Congress..It was projected to cut the debt by 4 trillion over the next decade..Republicans didn't want to give Obama the win...They don't care about the country, they care about their party..Look at how the run to give Putin cover...Trump is borderline exhibiting treasonous behavior...He is endorsing a man hiding out in an embassy for an alleged sex offense over our intelligence agencies...

Repatriation will to go stock buyback and bonuses...Everyone knows it and they don't care...

I don't care man...They will rob the joint blind...And their supporters will defend them like they give Putin cover...

Trump bribed an attorney general with money from his foundation...He bilked people in Trump University and quietly paid a 25 million dollar fine..No one talked about it the next day....His family was harking stuff online after the Election trying to make money..His daughter is still making cloths in China...

The hypocrisy is mind blowing...I just cant take this Trump thing seriously...

Icahn is advises him and trades billions annually in the markets just picked the head of the SEC and head of the EPA...He owns oil and gas businesses...Who are you really kidding about Trump and his crew???..Come on..

Trump hasn't paid taxes in two decades and you are worried about a family member getting food stamps...Bro, come on...


I'm just completely dumbfounded at people trying to make articulate arguments in favor of this guy...

POST OF THE YEAR!!! Bravo 👏🏾

you can't make articulate arguments b/c he is full of sh t with no plans. he's being played like a puppet by multiple parties that have no concern for the american people. folks got caught up in the hustle and couldn't get past their own sh t.

It's just more proof that Bill Maher is right that Americans are STUPID! They fell for Trump's BS and ALL THE EVIDENCE showed he was a LIAR, CHEAT, GREEDY, SELFISH, STUPID, PETTY AND A DANGEROUS man. How could anyone with a reasonable thought process believe Trump was worthy of being given THE MOST important job in the world???

To give Trump of all people the ULTIMATE power is almost unforgivable. I thought Bush was bad enough, but this takes the cake. The most unqualified and undeserving person they could pick. I dare one of his supporters on this forum to defend this guy. Come and make the case for why Trump should be leader of the free world.

Trump voters are a cross section of many groups and not particularly one ideology...Some of these folks are people who felt left out of the "Big City" conversation...This is their way to say FU to the "educated" class..A lot of people got left out of progress the last two decades..Little they know that City folks are in the same boat...Not really Obama's fault but the Democrats didn't deliver the message to the poor and middle class...Obama and his supporters came across a smarty pants elite types who look down on them...Bill Maher types...Repealing the ACA is saying FU to Obama, even if it means many of them losing healthcare coverage...They just out of the frying pan into the fire...Trump and his bandits will rob them blind...You saw the House as their first action tried to do away with the Ethics Office..They want in on the grand fleecing that is about to go down...

Why do you think that all this thing to transpire under Trump is a bad final outcome?
It will bring clarity eater way.
We have majority of the society completely delirious of the REAL problems we have from both sides of the Trump divide.
The main POSITIVE from Trump election is that TRUTH will come up inevitably.
Do you afraid to see it? If not that what is your point?

At what cost?

Truth worth any cost... millions died for it and millions fight for it.
US public is not into the truth hunt but rather like to have their perception of truth to be in tact.
It is cool to have carriers, steals bombers, nukes, marines, and thousand miles of open ocean to make this possible.
But World is getting to small for this, so time to get real.
This were Trumps come up... He is just a symbol of need randomly selected by destiny.

Good chat. It shows where your head is at. Millions died for it, so that's acceptable to you, if Trump is the trigger.
As far as "symbol of need randomly selected by destiny", whose needs are you referring to? Please be specific, not vague.

I think if we want this country to get out of the stagnation we need to increase efficiency in every area including economy, law, and international policy.
The main issue in the way of this at every level (family, corporation, municipality, county , state, federal) is that true progress replaced with perception of progress. No one is concerned about the reality, about what we need to do to maintain and increase the wealth of everyone and so country as a whole.
Most of the country population want feel good easy going relaxed life and for some reason believes that everyone deserved it automatically.
The group of people who continue to work to really make things happen is shrinking by day.
The only way out of it is to kick everybody in the a..sss as hard as possible to wake the nation up from day-dreaming and make everyone see the reality.
The simple truth is that nothing is coming for free and everything in life needs to be earned.
Even those who have everything now will lose it rather quickly and those who don't have will get nothing for sure.
Trump is just the beginning of wake up process. Just a little agitator. It will be much worth going forward.
And America collectively deserve it and need it badly.
So tighten up the seat belts.

I do not believe that political leaders are coming into the picture randomly.
They are the representation of the time, of the collective people desire.
Regardless of being elected, put in power by revolution, military cup, or whatever.
Stalin, Hitler, Mao, JFK, Attaturk, Putin, Endoran, Sisi, Homeni, Pinochet, Roosevelt, Churchill etc. were and are supported by the absolute majority of the nations they lead regardless of how good or bed they were/are. All of them are symbol and synonymous of time and reflection of their nations.
So no excuses - America get what it wants. Now it will need to deal with it.

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meloanyk wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

holfresh wrote:This is kind of silly that you will actually pretend the articles I posted agree with your point of view..Ok..Not many things surprised me but that did..No more comments on that..

If you agree that Russia broke international law then why would you say the sanctions were politically motivated???..I do also noticed that it's the latest Republican narrative...They didn't have that opinion in 2013 when it was first applied...I wonder what might have occurred that might change their opinion on the matter...

Obama wasn't the first US President to abstain on a settlement vote, as a matter of fact Reagan was the last..So how is it political in nature???..It was the political norm to abstain according to Jim Baker, Reagan's Secretary of State, today on Meet to Press...Look it up...

I know you said Biden and not Kerry..

Anyway, I assume that you are aware of the recent sanctions on Russian intelligence and ambassadors which were politically inspired Imo as was the recent lecture to Israel by Biden.

I really not as engaged in the conversation because you aren't being an honest broker...I can't waste time making an argument when you act like it actually supports your point of view when clearly it doesn't..

Also you seem to be pointing out things you may have written I didn't respond to..I really didn't read it due to your format...

Please do continue to comment so I can correct.

You might want to reread what I said about the crime bill, started the drop in rates for several years, continued thru Bush and Obama admins, pushed for by black leadership and enacted by Clinton, later criticized for impacting black family formation, other factors in play that contributed, President legislated sentencing, lowered imprisonment, other factors in play that contributed etc

I do appreciate all your googling though

Did I say sanctions in 2013 were warranted or politically motivated?. Let me know. Do you simply think you can disregard the timing of the bashing of Israel? Yeh, ur a honest broker. Poor form by President Obama and not in the nation's best interest. I know I said Biden instead of Kerry, do you see a denial, happens when you type several responses at midnight in a long format and dont take the time to recheck. Ill leave that task up to you

Still waiting on the school voucher opinion given little progress, know it takes time to find. Have those fbi stats yet?

I haven't read enough about school vouchers and charter schools to formulate an opinion on it..I don't adapt a party stance because it's convenient to do so...It usually have to make sense..Like I don't have to ask you opinion on global warming..I know what it is...

Regarding the Crime Bill..The first article I posted said studies showed crimes rates started to drop before the legislation was enacted in 1994...The other articles confirmed that other factors like higher employment, etc, etc were more instrumental in crime rate than the bill itself...You first said the Crime Bill was the reason for the drop in crime which was incorrect...So I'm not sure why you think these articles confirmed what you were saying...

So you were talking about the timing of Kerry's response to Israel??..What does that have to do with anything???..There was a vote on the resolution..Trump and Netanyahu commented on the Administration motivation and played footsie with each other, Kerry responded for the administration on why it took such action or more precisely lack of action??..We aren't allow to respond to the mighty nation of Israel when they level unsolicited charges at us saying we conspired to get this vote and who we also give 3.8 billion in aid annually of tax [payer money?????????ARE YOU AN AMERICAN OR DOES YOU PASSPORT SAY REPUBLICAN???????

More gibber. Im a registered Dem and think my onlycomment on climate change was that Im not a scientist but it appears real. Perhaps you can check back and let me know if that was verbatim or a generally correct.

Im surprised that you as an active googler and concerned have not 'formulated" an opinion since the issue of school vouchers has been around and educational achievement is such a key to black advancement. I realize that copying trump's moronic tweets are time consuming

U.K. also abstained on the resolution but our closest ally also went out of their way to heavily criticize Kerry's speech saying they did not think it " appropriate to attack the composition of the democratically elected government of an ally" nor was our focus on settlements proper given the complexity of that situation. U.K "splits, scolds, criticizes, lashes, denounces, condemns " were some of the various headlines. After eight years of saying nothing publicly, another move done to hinder Trump and not done in the nations best interest and the British saw right thru it.

Today, the NYT reports on the shifting alliance of Turkey towards Russia while they shun the U.S. Seems our important NATO ally is critical of our support and making veiled threats to suspend support to us in Iraq. Yeh, let's resume the Cold War while others communicate and cooperate when there is common ground.

Ha..The UK, a highly pompous group who thinks they still rule the world is still pissed about not being a global leader...When they can beat Argentina(Falklands) in a war, let me know..And why don't we allow random countries to run our foreign policy that suits their interest..

If Turkey thinks it's future is with Russia and not NATO then so be it...It's currency have devalued by 25% since the coup attempt because of the leader's response..Good Luck there...

Regarding school vouchers, I talk about stuff I know..And 156k in employment is decent number not great but decent..Certainly not terrible..and please point me to one economist that will say it's terrible as you suggested..

Back to the settlements...Continuted building of the settlements will make the two state solution impossible..This is exactly what the right wing government of Israel wants..The middle east will be an impossible place in that event and we don't have anymore American blood to shed in the Middle East...Obama was trying so hard to pivot from the Middle East but Trump will certainly take us back there...It is no longer in our vital interest..We need to pivot to Asia...But no...Trump, the un-read knows best..Good luck man...

meloanyk wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

holfresh wrote:This is kind of silly that you will actually pretend the articles I posted agree with your point of view..Ok..Not many things surprised me but that did..No more comments on that..

If you agree that Russia broke international law then why would you say the sanctions were politically motivated???..I do also noticed that it's the latest Republican narrative...They didn't have that opinion in 2013 when it was first applied...I wonder what might have occurred that might change their opinion on the matter...

Obama wasn't the first US President to abstain on a settlement vote, as a matter of fact Reagan was the last..So how is it political in nature???..It was the political norm to abstain according to Jim Baker, Reagan's Secretary of State, today on Meet to Press...Look it up...

I know you said Biden and not Kerry..

Anyway, I assume that you are aware of the recent sanctions on Russian intelligence and ambassadors which were politically inspired Imo as was the recent lecture to Israel by Biden.

I really not as engaged in the conversation because you aren't being an honest broker...I can't waste time making an argument when you act like it actually supports your point of view when clearly it doesn't..

Also you seem to be pointing out things you may have written I didn't respond to..I really didn't read it due to your format...

Please do continue to comment so I can correct.

You might want to reread what I said about the crime bill, started the drop in rates for several years, continued thru Bush and Obama admins, pushed for by black leadership and enacted by Clinton, later criticized for impacting black family formation, other factors in play that contributed, President legislated sentencing, lowered imprisonment, other factors in play that contributed etc

I do appreciate all your googling though

Did I say sanctions in 2013 were warranted or politically motivated?. Let me know. Do you simply think you can disregard the timing of the bashing of Israel? Yeh, ur a honest broker. Poor form by President Obama and not in the nation's best interest. I know I said Biden instead of Kerry, do you see a denial, happens when you type several responses at midnight in a long format and dont take the time to recheck. Ill leave that task up to you

Still waiting on the school voucher opinion given little progress, know it takes time to find. Have those fbi stats yet?

I haven't read enough about school vouchers and charter schools to formulate an opinion on it..I don't adapt a party stance because it's convenient to do so...It usually have to make sense..Like I don't have to ask you opinion on global warming..I know what it is...

Regarding the Crime Bill..The first article I posted said studies showed crimes rates started to drop before the legislation was enacted in 1994...The other articles confirmed that other factors like higher employment, etc, etc were more instrumental in crime rate than the bill itself...You first said the Crime Bill was the reason for the drop in crime which was incorrect...So I'm not sure why you think these articles confirmed what you were saying...

So you were talking about the timing of Kerry's response to Israel??..What does that have to do with anything???..There was a vote on the resolution..Trump and Netanyahu commented on the Administration motivation and played footsie with each other, Kerry responded for the administration on why it took such action or more precisely lack of action??..We aren't allow to respond to the mighty nation of Israel when they level unsolicited charges at us saying we conspired to get this vote and who we also give 3.8 billion in aid annually of tax [payer money?????????ARE YOU AN AMERICAN OR DOES YOU PASSPORT SAY REPUBLICAN???????

More gibber. Im a registered Dem and think my onlycomment on climate change was that Im not a scientist but it appears real. Perhaps you can check back and let me know if that was verbatim or a generally correct.

Im surprised that you as an active googler and concerned have not 'formulated" an opinion since the issue of school vouchers has been around and educational achievement is such a key to black advancement. I realize that copying trump's moronic tweets are time consuming

U.K. also abstained on the resolution but our closest ally also went out of their way to heavily criticize Kerry's speech saying they did not think it " appropriate to attack the composition of the democratically elected government of an ally" nor was our focus on settlements proper given the complexity of that situation. U.K "splits, scolds, criticizes, lashes, denounces, condemns " were some of the various headlines. After eight years of saying nothing publicly, another move done to hinder Trump and not done in the nations best interest and the British saw right thru it.

Today, the NYT reports on the shifting alliance of Turkey towards Russia while they shun the U.S. Seems our important NATO ally is critical of our support and making veiled threats to suspend support to us in Iraq. Yeh, let's resume the Cold War while others communicate and cooperate when there is common ground.

Charter Schools are not the complete answer to Black Education. In theory they could be better but first let's understand that they didn't create the concept of Charter Schools to address the needs of Black Students. As usual i'm gonna have to take you on a History Lesson. American Tax Payer Public Schools were originally started for Black Students.

Black schools[edit]
Further information: Black school and History of education in Missouri

In the early days of the Reconstruction era, the Freedmen's Bureau opened 1000 schools across the South for black children. This was essentially building on schools that had been established in numerous large contraband camps. Freedmen were eager for schooling for both adults and children, and the enrollments were high and enthusiastic. Overall, the Bureau spent $5 million to set up schools for blacks. By the end of 1865, more than 90,000 freedmen were enrolled as students in these schools. The school curriculum resembled that of schools in the North.[72]

Many Bureau teachers were well-educated Yankee women motivated by religion and abolitionism. Half the teachers were southern whites; one-third were blacks, and one-sixth were northern whites.[73] Most were women but among African Americans, male teachers slightly outnumbered female teachers. In the South, people were attracted to teaching because of the good salaries, at a time when the societies were disrupted and the economy was poor. Northern teachers were typically funded by northern organizations and were motivated by humanitarian goals to help the freedmen. As a group, only the black cohort showed a commitment to racial equality; they were also the ones most likely to continue as teachers.[74]

When the Republicans came to power in the Southern states after 1867, they created the first system of taxpayer-funded public schools. Southern Blacks wanted public schools for their children but they did not demand racially integrated schools. Almost all the new public schools were segregated, apart from a few in New Orleans. After the Republicans lost power in the mid-1870s, conservative whites retained the public school systems but sharply cut their funding. [75]

A History of Private Schools & Race in the American South

Private schools may have a long, honorable tradition in America that goes back to colonial times, but that tradition ended, at least in the American South, in the last half of the 20th century when they were used as safe havens for Southern whites to escape the effects of the impending and ongoing desegregation mandates. This exodus from public schools began in the 1940s, when private school enrollment in the 15 states of the South[1] rose by more than 125,000 students—roughly 43 percent—in response to US Supreme Court decisions outlawing segregation in graduate and professional schools in the South.[2] While the decisions only concerned institutions of higher education, it signaled to watchful Southern leaders that desegregation might soon spread to their public elementary and secondary schools, compelling them to react in ways to defend their way of life.

Private schools in the South were established, expanded, and supported to preserve the Southern tradition of racial segregation in the face of the federal courts’ dismantling of “separate but equal.” White students left public schools in droves to both traditional and newly formed private schools. From 1950 to 1965 private school enrollment grew at unprecedented rates all over the nation, with the South having the largest growth.

This move to Charter Schools is really more about Tax Dollars than anything else. Most of the White Students down in the South are in Private Schools but these people still pay Tax Dollars that go to Public Schools that are predominantly Black. One way around this would be a Charter School. You could effectively create a school in a White Neighborhood that was still somewhat segregated by distance like a Private School but paid for by Tax Dollars rather than having to kick out extra money for a Private School.

None of this solves the very real problem which is that we want ALL schools in this country to be quality places of Education. Charter schools by their very nature create an unequal education system. Not all Charter Schools are successful. What we need is to not be experimenting with our children but using the best methods of education for ALL of our students. The best schools still often end up being in the more affluent neighborhoods. Even if you put more Charters in Black Neighborhoods that doesn't solve the issue of Bad Schools that are still responsible for most of the children. The answer is to improve the Public School System everywhere.

nixluva wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

holfresh wrote:This is kind of silly that you will actually pretend the articles I posted agree with your point of view..Ok..Not many things surprised me but that did..No more comments on that..

If you agree that Russia broke international law then why would you say the sanctions were politically motivated???..I do also noticed that it's the latest Republican narrative...They didn't have that opinion in 2013 when it was first applied...I wonder what might have occurred that might change their opinion on the matter...

Obama wasn't the first US President to abstain on a settlement vote, as a matter of fact Reagan was the last..So how is it political in nature???..It was the political norm to abstain according to Jim Baker, Reagan's Secretary of State, today on Meet to Press...Look it up...

I know you said Biden and not Kerry..

Anyway, I assume that you are aware of the recent sanctions on Russian intelligence and ambassadors which were politically inspired Imo as was the recent lecture to Israel by Biden.

I really not as engaged in the conversation because you aren't being an honest broker...I can't waste time making an argument when you act like it actually supports your point of view when clearly it doesn't..

Also you seem to be pointing out things you may have written I didn't respond to..I really didn't read it due to your format...

Please do continue to comment so I can correct.

You might want to reread what I said about the crime bill, started the drop in rates for several years, continued thru Bush and Obama admins, pushed for by black leadership and enacted by Clinton, later criticized for impacting black family formation, other factors in play that contributed, President legislated sentencing, lowered imprisonment, other factors in play that contributed etc

I do appreciate all your googling though

Did I say sanctions in 2013 were warranted or politically motivated?. Let me know. Do you simply think you can disregard the timing of the bashing of Israel? Yeh, ur a honest broker. Poor form by President Obama and not in the nation's best interest. I know I said Biden instead of Kerry, do you see a denial, happens when you type several responses at midnight in a long format and dont take the time to recheck. Ill leave that task up to you

Still waiting on the school voucher opinion given little progress, know it takes time to find. Have those fbi stats yet?

I haven't read enough about school vouchers and charter schools to formulate an opinion on it..I don't adapt a party stance because it's convenient to do so...It usually have to make sense..Like I don't have to ask you opinion on global warming..I know what it is...

Regarding the Crime Bill..The first article I posted said studies showed crimes rates started to drop before the legislation was enacted in 1994...The other articles confirmed that other factors like higher employment, etc, etc were more instrumental in crime rate than the bill itself...You first said the Crime Bill was the reason for the drop in crime which was incorrect...So I'm not sure why you think these articles confirmed what you were saying...

So you were talking about the timing of Kerry's response to Israel??..What does that have to do with anything???..There was a vote on the resolution..Trump and Netanyahu commented on the Administration motivation and played footsie with each other, Kerry responded for the administration on why it took such action or more precisely lack of action??..We aren't allow to respond to the mighty nation of Israel when they level unsolicited charges at us saying we conspired to get this vote and who we also give 3.8 billion in aid annually of tax [payer money?????????ARE YOU AN AMERICAN OR DOES YOU PASSPORT SAY REPUBLICAN???????

More gibber. Im a registered Dem and think my onlycomment on climate change was that Im not a scientist but it appears real. Perhaps you can check back and let me know if that was verbatim or a generally correct.

Im surprised that you as an active googler and concerned have not 'formulated" an opinion since the issue of school vouchers has been around and educational achievement is such a key to black advancement. I realize that copying trump's moronic tweets are time consuming

U.K. also abstained on the resolution but our closest ally also went out of their way to heavily criticize Kerry's speech saying they did not think it " appropriate to attack the composition of the democratically elected government of an ally" nor was our focus on settlements proper given the complexity of that situation. U.K "splits, scolds, criticizes, lashes, denounces, condemns " were some of the various headlines. After eight years of saying nothing publicly, another move done to hinder Trump and not done in the nations best interest and the British saw right thru it.

Today, the NYT reports on the shifting alliance of Turkey towards Russia while they shun the U.S. Seems our important NATO ally is critical of our support and making veiled threats to suspend support to us in Iraq. Yeh, let's resume the Cold War while others communicate and cooperate when there is common ground.

Charter Schools are not the complete answer to Black Education. In theory they could be better but first let's understand that they didn't create the concept of Charter Schools to address the needs of Black Students. As usual i'm gonna have to take you on a History Lesson. American Tax Payer Public Schools were originally started for Black Students.

Black schools[edit]
Further information: Black school and History of education in Missouri

In the early days of the Reconstruction era, the Freedmen's Bureau opened 1000 schools across the South for black children. This was essentially building on schools that had been established in numerous large contraband camps. Freedmen were eager for schooling for both adults and children, and the enrollments were high and enthusiastic. Overall, the Bureau spent $5 million to set up schools for blacks. By the end of 1865, more than 90,000 freedmen were enrolled as students in these schools. The school curriculum resembled that of schools in the North.[72]

Many Bureau teachers were well-educated Yankee women motivated by religion and abolitionism. Half the teachers were southern whites; one-third were blacks, and one-sixth were northern whites.[73] Most were women but among African Americans, male teachers slightly outnumbered female teachers. In the South, people were attracted to teaching because of the good salaries, at a time when the societies were disrupted and the economy was poor. Northern teachers were typically funded by northern organizations and were motivated by humanitarian goals to help the freedmen. As a group, only the black cohort showed a commitment to racial equality; they were also the ones most likely to continue as teachers.[74]

When the Republicans came to power in the Southern states after 1867, they created the first system of taxpayer-funded public schools. Southern Blacks wanted public schools for their children but they did not demand racially integrated schools. Almost all the new public schools were segregated, apart from a few in New Orleans. After the Republicans lost power in the mid-1870s, conservative whites retained the public school systems but sharply cut their funding. [75]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_education_in_the_United_States#Black_schools

A History of Private Schools & Race in the American South

Private schools may have a long, honorable tradition in America that goes back to colonial times, but that tradition ended, at least in the American South, in the last half of the 20th century when they were used as safe havens for Southern whites to escape the effects of the impending and ongoing desegregation mandates. This exodus from public schools began in the 1940s, when private school enrollment in the 15 states of the South[1] rose by more than 125,000 students—roughly 43 percent—in response to US Supreme Court decisions outlawing segregation in graduate and professional schools in the South.[2] While the decisions only concerned institutions of higher education, it signaled to watchful Southern leaders that desegregation might soon spread to their public elementary and secondary schools, compelling them to react in ways to defend their way of life.

Private schools in the South were established, expanded, and supported to preserve the Southern tradition of racial segregation in the face of the federal courts’ dismantling of “separate but equal.” White students left public schools in droves to both traditional and newly formed private schools. From 1950 to 1965 private school enrollment grew at unprecedented rates all over the nation, with the South having the largest growth.

http://www.southerneducation.org/Our-Strategies/Research-and-Publications/Race-Ethnicity-Landing-Pages/A-History-of-Private-Schools-Race-in-the-American.aspx

This move to Charter Schools is really more about Tax Dollars than anything else. Most of the White Students down in the South are in Private Schools but these people still pay Tax Dollars that go to Public Schools that are predominantly Black. One way around this would be a Charter School. You could effectively create a school in a White Neighborhood that was still somewhat segregated by distance like a Private School but paid for by Tax Dollars rather than having to kick out extra money for a Private School.

None of this solves the very real problem which is that we want ALL schools in this country to be quality places of Education. Charter schools by their very nature create an unequal education system. Not all Charter Schools are successful. What we need is to not be experimenting with our children but using the best methods of education for ALL of our students. The best schools still often end up being in the more affluent neighborhoods. Even if you put more Charters in Black Neighborhoods that doesn't solve the issue of Bad Schools that are still responsible for most of the children. The answer is to improve the Public School System everywhere.

As usual, pasting selected excerpts that offer a historical context, whether true gospel or not, simply serves as a preface not a current solution. As you may know, legislation has been enacted and numerous programs undertaken for decades attempting to improve public schools at great costs without much progress in closing achievement gaps at urban schools.

Racists will cite eugenics but most people see socio economics and underlying culture as depressants. That later belief is reinforced for me every time I speak to a deflated youngster at Teach for America or a defeated teacher at a urban NJ school. They cry for the kids who are deprived of the right environment to learn. In NJ, we have many high performing schools that are a stones throw away from low performing urbans so regional differences is not an issue nor is monies spent per student

You mention best methods. Not sure what that specifically refers to but assume it implies standardization across the board beyond monies like competent teachers, administrators, facilities. I will add involved parents and strong community leadership. Rhee was controversial but liked her for at least taking strong action in DC despite her many critics.

Common Core seems to make sense to me especially for its emphasis on STEM and urbans. Not federally mandated but believe President Obama gives incentives to states to adopt while Jeb was one of the few pubs who supported though he relabels. Our former Newark mayor ,Sen Booker supported charter schools and criticized Common Core though it now seems he shifts positions depending on the political winds. Guess the criticism of CC is it's teach to test, light on humanities and omits religion. Know some local families that have opted out of testing in protest. Love to hear a teacher's perspective on common core, choice and if their unions contribute to stunting progress on some fronts.

I ask about school vouchers because there are many conflicting views and stats depending on factors. Many believe that would lift and close gaps as well as save overall public school costs. Research on those claims vary. Trump and Devos are proponents though her appt. appears to have made no one happy. Agenda is a wide roll out, I personally think having choices can benefit some as it did in a Newark charter school using part of Zuckerberg 's donation but be difficult to productively implement on a wide scale.