But judging by your posts, you agree with everyone that he's in the conversation for MVP.

Funny it took you all the backhanded pit downs of Carmelo and his game to get there.

I guess a winning record changes even the biggest haters.

dk7th wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

OGkush121 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:you boys still at this?

Melo playing MVP caliber ball right now. He's doing what your all star player is supposed to. Carry the load and lead the team when guys are banged up.

If the season ended today I would rank it something like:
1) CP3. Playing like Nash during his MVPs only + all NBA defense
1a) Durant. The record is MJ Bull's like and he's becoming a high caliber defensive player also. Shooting 52%, 1.5 blocks, 8.5 rebs and 28ppg. WOW.

Durant and CP3 easily the best players in the NBA right now

2) Lebron
2a) Melo

Even though I have MElo 4th I put 1 and 1a and 2 and 2a because thats how I percieve the race if there is one. Because of their success, #s, team records, impact on teammates... the whole package CP3 and KD heads above the class right now. Melo and Lebron are the next group. MVP caliber but outclassed by CP3 and KD playing out of their minds.

Now once Amare/Shump comes back Melo's shots will go down, he will beome (hopefully) more team type role and Knicks will be better for it. It will also eliminate any MVP talk which is fine and good. When Melo thinks hes MVP you see the circus shots and hero basketball and he can have his stretches but he cant sustain and it doesnt work. When Melo plays team ball (even if he's taking the most shots) Knicks play like the best team in the league. A more mature and better Melo doesnt not equal an MVP Melo.

First he was not even close to being a candidate.

Then it was "ok fine, he's in the fake race."

Now you have him in the same discussion with Durant, CP3, and Lebron.

Glad to see you're getting warmer.

just calling it like I see it. Nice he's in shape this year and willing to play for the coach right?

Im just giving him his due as hes playing great. Bottom line? He's not a realistic candidate. That hasnt changed one bit. He's in the discussion like Ron Paul is in the presidential discussion. Melo is like 3-4 player having torn ACLs away from a real chance. But if you want to be happy about about a great first 6 weeks here and call him MVP feel free. Knicks are playing great ball to start. Since realism with such things causes hurt feelings I have bowed out of the discussion. But thanks ;)

Yes, getting in shape and playing for Woodson is the best decision Carmelo has ever made, because it has yielded a 19-6 record along with being in the MVP discussion. Haven't heard you complain at all about that have we now? Nor have we heard you say you wish Mike D'antoni was still coaching this team.

So yea, he's willing to play for this coach, he has every reason to.

I have never said I wish MDA was still coaching this team. Also your right... Im not complaining our star player in year 3 decided to show up in shape and play for the head coach and that a serious effort and commitment to conditioning has made him a better player. Who knew?

What makes you think he's stepping up in year 3? He's been putting up these same numbers his whole career. The only thing that's new to him is being a legit MVP candidate because he now has real players around him. Something he never had before. Having Woodson coaching you obviously isn't hurting either.

But again, good to see you coming around.

maybe the same numbers as before but much more efficiently due to his astronomical 3-pt%. he still takes too many shots (and a few bad ones)-- so as the season wears on and he doesn't have as much lift, that 3-pt% will go down and our team will struggle. the key is that, as he loses his 3-pt shooting, he find other ways to generate points, ie by drawing more fouls. notice that last game he put a great head and ball fake on a guy from the left side about 8 feet out. very pierce-like and i approve. this is the kind of adaptation that he will be needing to make to remain efficient.

I know it's not to be expected that he'll keep shooting near 50% from downtown the entire season, but for all we know he may end up doing it.

And last night wasn't really a good night to "scout" him on his ability to get to the free-throw line.
Due to his ankle he barely ever drove to basket, mostly stuck to outside shots.
Which in a way makes his 31 points on over 50% shooting even "better".

if he does it, it will be a statistical anomaly for the ages.

as to the next point, he doesn't need to drive if he is hitting from the perimeter at the clip he has been hitting. it's when that 3-point shot starts to go south of 35%-- he is a career 33% from 3-- that he'll need to find a way to get to the line more times a game. the reason for that is that if you compare his 3FG% to harden and durant-- both of whom are ahead of him in FTA/GM-- he shoots at a lower rate, hence driving up the need to get to the line. good news is we finally saw him do what i was hoping he would do-- start incorporating some guile and cleverness to his game by using the head and ball fake. the more he does that the more staying power he will have.

You keep saying that his 3 pt % will go down but its not really about his career avg which is hurt by his first few years. Its about his attempts. Also, the fact that he is not taking pull up threes. Most f his 3s have been assisted. If you look at his numbers career wise in taking catch and shoot 3s or assisted 3s you would see his % is very high. Plus add on the fact that was a goal he worked on this summer and you get what you see. Like last year he worked on his PnR skills and he was one of the best PnR finishers in the league and still is.

no he's taking a lot of heat-check adrenaline pull-up threes on semi breaks. now, a career 40% 3 guy like nash can do that and get away with it but it is going to catch up with melo eventually.

guys on this site keep telling me to watch the games as though i don't watch the games. i watch the games and there are more than enough examples of those sorts of threes to keep an eye on.

i have the same issue with felton and his ability to orchestrate and get everyone involved. dudes claiming he hits brewer or whomever in the corner and whatnot. give me the time of the game when felton does this and i will be persuaded i don't know what i am talking about.

instead i get <crickets>

so if i have the time and wherewithal i will record the game and make note of when felton hits brewer or anyone in the corner in traffic and i will also make note how many times melo takes a pull up 3. against the bulls i don't think you will see melo doing that as much-- they get back on d-- but lets see how many times felton hits a guy in the corner in traffic.

So explain to me why its ok for nash to try a 3 pt heat ck and not Melo?

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:ESPN had another main page discussion on MVP and Durant is pretty much unanimously #1. Flip Saunders did put Melo at #2 on his list.

It's not right that he gets beat up like he does. Hopefully calls become more equitable.

He's gotta stop leading with elbows, swatting away with his off arm, and bulldozing opponents. He's approaching EY Curry status of offensivve wreckage when going to the basket.

He also needs to take off the Barry Bonds Roman Centurion Body Armor...See Durant/Lebron/Kobe/Wade/Pierce all great scorers but they didn't front run or hide behind this persona of BULLY BALL, if you do then bring it and don't complain. Funny what happens to Bullies when they get hit back in the mouth.

He could stand to get some calls at the same time he could be called for more offensive fouls too. The refs were beyond putrid tonight though.

Oh and don't think it went unnoticed we made a comeback after he and Tyson got ejected. We're not too bad of a fluid team the way we play without Melo, that's if Felton doesn't play worse than Lin Left armpit.

cooch2584 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

OGkush121 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:you boys still at this?

Melo playing MVP caliber ball right now. He's doing what your all star player is supposed to. Carry the load and lead the team when guys are banged up.

If the season ended today I would rank it something like:
1) CP3. Playing like Nash during his MVPs only + all NBA defense
1a) Durant. The record is MJ Bull's like and he's becoming a high caliber defensive player also. Shooting 52%, 1.5 blocks, 8.5 rebs and 28ppg. WOW.

Durant and CP3 easily the best players in the NBA right now

2) Lebron
2a) Melo

Even though I have MElo 4th I put 1 and 1a and 2 and 2a because thats how I percieve the race if there is one. Because of their success, #s, team records, impact on teammates... the whole package CP3 and KD heads above the class right now. Melo and Lebron are the next group. MVP caliber but outclassed by CP3 and KD playing out of their minds.

Now once Amare/Shump comes back Melo's shots will go down, he will beome (hopefully) more team type role and Knicks will be better for it. It will also eliminate any MVP talk which is fine and good. When Melo thinks hes MVP you see the circus shots and hero basketball and he can have his stretches but he cant sustain and it doesnt work. When Melo plays team ball (even if he's taking the most shots) Knicks play like the best team in the league. A more mature and better Melo doesnt not equal an MVP Melo.

First he was not even close to being a candidate.

Then it was "ok fine, he's in the fake race."

Now you have him in the same discussion with Durant, CP3, and Lebron.

Glad to see you're getting warmer.

just calling it like I see it. Nice he's in shape this year and willing to play for the coach right?

Im just giving him his due as hes playing great. Bottom line? He's not a realistic candidate. That hasnt changed one bit. He's in the discussion like Ron Paul is in the presidential discussion. Melo is like 3-4 player having torn ACLs away from a real chance. But if you want to be happy about about a great first 6 weeks here and call him MVP feel free. Knicks are playing great ball to start. Since realism with such things causes hurt feelings I have bowed out of the discussion. But thanks ;)

Yes, getting in shape and playing for Woodson is the best decision Carmelo has ever made, because it has yielded a 19-6 record along with being in the MVP discussion. Haven't heard you complain at all about that have we now? Nor have we heard you say you wish Mike D'antoni was still coaching this team.

So yea, he's willing to play for this coach, he has every reason to.

I have never said I wish MDA was still coaching this team. Also your right... Im not complaining our star player in year 3 decided to show up in shape and play for the head coach and that a serious effort and commitment to conditioning has made him a better player. Who knew?

What makes you think he's stepping up in year 3? He's been putting up these same numbers his whole career. The only thing that's new to him is being a legit MVP candidate because he now has real players around him. Something he never had before. Having Woodson coaching you obviously isn't hurting either.

But again, good to see you coming around.

maybe the same numbers as before but much more efficiently due to his astronomical 3-pt%. he still takes too many shots (and a few bad ones)-- so as the season wears on and he doesn't have as much lift, that 3-pt% will go down and our team will struggle. the key is that, as he loses his 3-pt shooting, he find other ways to generate points, ie by drawing more fouls. notice that last game he put a great head and ball fake on a guy from the left side about 8 feet out. very pierce-like and i approve. this is the kind of adaptation that he will be needing to make to remain efficient.

I know it's not to be expected that he'll keep shooting near 50% from downtown the entire season, but for all we know he may end up doing it.

And last night wasn't really a good night to "scout" him on his ability to get to the free-throw line.
Due to his ankle he barely ever drove to basket, mostly stuck to outside shots.
Which in a way makes his 31 points on over 50% shooting even "better".

if he does it, it will be a statistical anomaly for the ages.

as to the next point, he doesn't need to drive if he is hitting from the perimeter at the clip he has been hitting. it's when that 3-point shot starts to go south of 35%-- he is a career 33% from 3-- that he'll need to find a way to get to the line more times a game. the reason for that is that if you compare his 3FG% to harden and durant-- both of whom are ahead of him in FTA/GM-- he shoots at a lower rate, hence driving up the need to get to the line. good news is we finally saw him do what i was hoping he would do-- start incorporating some guile and cleverness to his game by using the head and ball fake. the more he does that the more staying power he will have.

You keep saying that his 3 pt % will go down but its not really about his career avg which is hurt by his first few years. Its about his attempts. Also, the fact that he is not taking pull up threes. Most f his 3s have been assisted. If you look at his numbers career wise in taking catch and shoot 3s or assisted 3s you would see his % is very high. Plus add on the fact that was a goal he worked on this summer and you get what you see. Like last year he worked on his PnR skills and he was one of the best PnR finishers in the league and still is.

no he's taking a lot of heat-check adrenaline pull-up threes on semi breaks. now, a career 40% 3 guy like nash can do that and get away with it but it is going to catch up with melo eventually.

guys on this site keep telling me to watch the games as though i don't watch the games. i watch the games and there are more than enough examples of those sorts of threes to keep an eye on.

i have the same issue with felton and his ability to orchestrate and get everyone involved. dudes claiming he hits brewer or whomever in the corner and whatnot. give me the time of the game when felton does this and i will be persuaded i don't know what i am talking about.

instead i get <crickets>

so if i have the time and wherewithal i will record the game and make note of when felton hits brewer or anyone in the corner in traffic and i will also make note how many times melo takes a pull up 3. against the bulls i don't think you will see melo doing that as much-- they get back on d-- but lets see how many times felton hits a guy in the corner in traffic.

So explain to me why its ok for nash to try a 3 pt heat ck and not Melo?

Again I have asked dk7th questions and havent got an answer in HOURS.Whats up with that?

cooch2584 wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

OGkush121 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:you boys still at this?

Melo playing MVP caliber ball right now. He's doing what your all star player is supposed to. Carry the load and lead the team when guys are banged up.

If the season ended today I would rank it something like:
1) CP3. Playing like Nash during his MVPs only + all NBA defense
1a) Durant. The record is MJ Bull's like and he's becoming a high caliber defensive player also. Shooting 52%, 1.5 blocks, 8.5 rebs and 28ppg. WOW.

Durant and CP3 easily the best players in the NBA right now

2) Lebron
2a) Melo

Even though I have MElo 4th I put 1 and 1a and 2 and 2a because thats how I percieve the race if there is one. Because of their success, #s, team records, impact on teammates... the whole package CP3 and KD heads above the class right now. Melo and Lebron are the next group. MVP caliber but outclassed by CP3 and KD playing out of their minds.

Now once Amare/Shump comes back Melo's shots will go down, he will beome (hopefully) more team type role and Knicks will be better for it. It will also eliminate any MVP talk which is fine and good. When Melo thinks hes MVP you see the circus shots and hero basketball and he can have his stretches but he cant sustain and it doesnt work. When Melo plays team ball (even if he's taking the most shots) Knicks play like the best team in the league. A more mature and better Melo doesnt not equal an MVP Melo.

First he was not even close to being a candidate.

Then it was "ok fine, he's in the fake race."

Now you have him in the same discussion with Durant, CP3, and Lebron.

Glad to see you're getting warmer.

just calling it like I see it. Nice he's in shape this year and willing to play for the coach right?

Im just giving him his due as hes playing great. Bottom line? He's not a realistic candidate. That hasnt changed one bit. He's in the discussion like Ron Paul is in the presidential discussion. Melo is like 3-4 player having torn ACLs away from a real chance. But if you want to be happy about about a great first 6 weeks here and call him MVP feel free. Knicks are playing great ball to start. Since realism with such things causes hurt feelings I have bowed out of the discussion. But thanks ;)

Yes, getting in shape and playing for Woodson is the best decision Carmelo has ever made, because it has yielded a 19-6 record along with being in the MVP discussion. Haven't heard you complain at all about that have we now? Nor have we heard you say you wish Mike D'antoni was still coaching this team.

So yea, he's willing to play for this coach, he has every reason to.

I have never said I wish MDA was still coaching this team. Also your right... Im not complaining our star player in year 3 decided to show up in shape and play for the head coach and that a serious effort and commitment to conditioning has made him a better player. Who knew?

What makes you think he's stepping up in year 3? He's been putting up these same numbers his whole career. The only thing that's new to him is being a legit MVP candidate because he now has real players around him. Something he never had before. Having Woodson coaching you obviously isn't hurting either.

But again, good to see you coming around.

maybe the same numbers as before but much more efficiently due to his astronomical 3-pt%. he still takes too many shots (and a few bad ones)-- so as the season wears on and he doesn't have as much lift, that 3-pt% will go down and our team will struggle. the key is that, as he loses his 3-pt shooting, he find other ways to generate points, ie by drawing more fouls. notice that last game he put a great head and ball fake on a guy from the left side about 8 feet out. very pierce-like and i approve. this is the kind of adaptation that he will be needing to make to remain efficient.

I know it's not to be expected that he'll keep shooting near 50% from downtown the entire season, but for all we know he may end up doing it.

And last night wasn't really a good night to "scout" him on his ability to get to the free-throw line.
Due to his ankle he barely ever drove to basket, mostly stuck to outside shots.
Which in a way makes his 31 points on over 50% shooting even "better".

if he does it, it will be a statistical anomaly for the ages.

as to the next point, he doesn't need to drive if he is hitting from the perimeter at the clip he has been hitting. it's when that 3-point shot starts to go south of 35%-- he is a career 33% from 3-- that he'll need to find a way to get to the line more times a game. the reason for that is that if you compare his 3FG% to harden and durant-- both of whom are ahead of him in FTA/GM-- he shoots at a lower rate, hence driving up the need to get to the line. good news is we finally saw him do what i was hoping he would do-- start incorporating some guile and cleverness to his game by using the head and ball fake. the more he does that the more staying power he will have.

You keep saying that his 3 pt % will go down but its not really about his career avg which is hurt by his first few years. Its about his attempts. Also, the fact that he is not taking pull up threes. Most f his 3s have been assisted. If you look at his numbers career wise in taking catch and shoot 3s or assisted 3s you would see his % is very high. Plus add on the fact that was a goal he worked on this summer and you get what you see. Like last year he worked on his PnR skills and he was one of the best PnR finishers in the league and still is.

no he's taking a lot of heat-check adrenaline pull-up threes on semi breaks. now, a career 40% 3 guy like nash can do that and get away with it but it is going to catch up with melo eventually.

guys on this site keep telling me to watch the games as though i don't watch the games. i watch the games and there are more than enough examples of those sorts of threes to keep an eye on.

i have the same issue with felton and his ability to orchestrate and get everyone involved. dudes claiming he hits brewer or whomever in the corner and whatnot. give me the time of the game when felton does this and i will be persuaded i don't know what i am talking about.

instead i get <crickets>

so if i have the time and wherewithal i will record the game and make note of when felton hits brewer or anyone in the corner in traffic and i will also make note how many times melo takes a pull up 3. against the bulls i don't think you will see melo doing that as much-- they get back on d-- but lets see how many times felton hits a guy in the corner in traffic.

So explain to me why its ok for nash to try a 3 pt heat ck and not Melo?

Again I have asked dk7th questions and havent got an answer in HOURS.Whats up with that?

i am not a fan of our previous chit chat so i have been reluctant to try again because so far it has not been civil or fruitful. i will try again though.

career 40% from 3 is >>>>> 34% from 3. 43% from 3 gives u the green light, 33% doesn't.

dk7th wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

OGkush121 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:you boys still at this?

Melo playing MVP caliber ball right now. He's doing what your all star player is supposed to. Carry the load and lead the team when guys are banged up.

If the season ended today I would rank it something like:
1) CP3. Playing like Nash during his MVPs only + all NBA defense
1a) Durant. The record is MJ Bull's like and he's becoming a high caliber defensive player also. Shooting 52%, 1.5 blocks, 8.5 rebs and 28ppg. WOW.

Durant and CP3 easily the best players in the NBA right now

2) Lebron
2a) Melo

Even though I have MElo 4th I put 1 and 1a and 2 and 2a because thats how I percieve the race if there is one. Because of their success, #s, team records, impact on teammates... the whole package CP3 and KD heads above the class right now. Melo and Lebron are the next group. MVP caliber but outclassed by CP3 and KD playing out of their minds.

Now once Amare/Shump comes back Melo's shots will go down, he will beome (hopefully) more team type role and Knicks will be better for it. It will also eliminate any MVP talk which is fine and good. When Melo thinks hes MVP you see the circus shots and hero basketball and he can have his stretches but he cant sustain and it doesnt work. When Melo plays team ball (even if he's taking the most shots) Knicks play like the best team in the league. A more mature and better Melo doesnt not equal an MVP Melo.

First he was not even close to being a candidate.

Then it was "ok fine, he's in the fake race."

Now you have him in the same discussion with Durant, CP3, and Lebron.

Glad to see you're getting warmer.

just calling it like I see it. Nice he's in shape this year and willing to play for the coach right?

Im just giving him his due as hes playing great. Bottom line? He's not a realistic candidate. That hasnt changed one bit. He's in the discussion like Ron Paul is in the presidential discussion. Melo is like 3-4 player having torn ACLs away from a real chance. But if you want to be happy about about a great first 6 weeks here and call him MVP feel free. Knicks are playing great ball to start. Since realism with such things causes hurt feelings I have bowed out of the discussion. But thanks ;)

Yes, getting in shape and playing for Woodson is the best decision Carmelo has ever made, because it has yielded a 19-6 record along with being in the MVP discussion. Haven't heard you complain at all about that have we now? Nor have we heard you say you wish Mike D'antoni was still coaching this team.

So yea, he's willing to play for this coach, he has every reason to.

I have never said I wish MDA was still coaching this team. Also your right... Im not complaining our star player in year 3 decided to show up in shape and play for the head coach and that a serious effort and commitment to conditioning has made him a better player. Who knew?

What makes you think he's stepping up in year 3? He's been putting up these same numbers his whole career. The only thing that's new to him is being a legit MVP candidate because he now has real players around him. Something he never had before. Having Woodson coaching you obviously isn't hurting either.

But again, good to see you coming around.

maybe the same numbers as before but much more efficiently due to his astronomical 3-pt%. he still takes too many shots (and a few bad ones)-- so as the season wears on and he doesn't have as much lift, that 3-pt% will go down and our team will struggle. the key is that, as he loses his 3-pt shooting, he find other ways to generate points, ie by drawing more fouls. notice that last game he put a great head and ball fake on a guy from the left side about 8 feet out. very pierce-like and i approve. this is the kind of adaptation that he will be needing to make to remain efficient.

I know it's not to be expected that he'll keep shooting near 50% from downtown the entire season, but for all we know he may end up doing it.

And last night wasn't really a good night to "scout" him on his ability to get to the free-throw line.
Due to his ankle he barely ever drove to basket, mostly stuck to outside shots.
Which in a way makes his 31 points on over 50% shooting even "better".

if he does it, it will be a statistical anomaly for the ages.

as to the next point, he doesn't need to drive if he is hitting from the perimeter at the clip he has been hitting. it's when that 3-point shot starts to go south of 35%-- he is a career 33% from 3-- that he'll need to find a way to get to the line more times a game. the reason for that is that if you compare his 3FG% to harden and durant-- both of whom are ahead of him in FTA/GM-- he shoots at a lower rate, hence driving up the need to get to the line. good news is we finally saw him do what i was hoping he would do-- start incorporating some guile and cleverness to his game by using the head and ball fake. the more he does that the more staying power he will have.

You keep saying that his 3 pt % will go down but its not really about his career avg which is hurt by his first few years. Its about his attempts. Also, the fact that he is not taking pull up threes. Most f his 3s have been assisted. If you look at his numbers career wise in taking catch and shoot 3s or assisted 3s you would see his % is very high. Plus add on the fact that was a goal he worked on this summer and you get what you see. Like last year he worked on his PnR skills and he was one of the best PnR finishers in the league and still is.

no he's taking a lot of heat-check adrenaline pull-up threes on semi breaks. now, a career 40% 3 guy like nash can do that and get away with it but it is going to catch up with melo eventually.

guys on this site keep telling me to watch the games as though i don't watch the games. i watch the games and there are more than enough examples of those sorts of threes to keep an eye on.

i have the same issue with felton and his ability to orchestrate and get everyone involved. dudes claiming he hits brewer or whomever in the corner and whatnot. give me the time of the game when felton does this and i will be persuaded i don't know what i am talking about.

instead i get <crickets>

so if i have the time and wherewithal i will record the game and make note of when felton hits brewer or anyone in the corner in traffic and i will also make note how many times melo takes a pull up 3. against the bulls i don't think you will see melo doing that as much-- they get back on d-- but lets see how many times felton hits a guy in the corner in traffic.

So explain to me why its ok for nash to try a 3 pt heat ck and not Melo?

Again I have asked dk7th questions and havent got an answer in HOURS.Whats up with that?

i am not a fan of our previous chit chat so i have been reluctant to try again because so far it has not been civil or fruitful. i will try again though.

career 40% from 3 is >>>>> 34% from 3. 43% from 3 gives u the green light, 33% doesn't.

And right now whats the NBA average from 3pt land? Or better yet whats the % that the bball media says is a good 3pt shooter?

Nalod wrote:Do MVP's also lead the league in Technical fouls?

No, they are usually getting the calls...

Bonn1997 wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

OGkush121 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:you boys still at this?

Melo playing MVP caliber ball right now. He's doing what your all star player is supposed to. Carry the load and lead the team when guys are banged up.

If the season ended today I would rank it something like:
1) CP3. Playing like Nash during his MVPs only + all NBA defense
1a) Durant. The record is MJ Bull's like and he's becoming a high caliber defensive player also. Shooting 52%, 1.5 blocks, 8.5 rebs and 28ppg. WOW.

Durant and CP3 easily the best players in the NBA right now

2) Lebron
2a) Melo

Even though I have MElo 4th I put 1 and 1a and 2 and 2a because thats how I percieve the race if there is one. Because of their success, #s, team records, impact on teammates... the whole package CP3 and KD heads above the class right now. Melo and Lebron are the next group. MVP caliber but outclassed by CP3 and KD playing out of their minds.

Now once Amare/Shump comes back Melo's shots will go down, he will beome (hopefully) more team type role and Knicks will be better for it. It will also eliminate any MVP talk which is fine and good. When Melo thinks hes MVP you see the circus shots and hero basketball and he can have his stretches but he cant sustain and it doesnt work. When Melo plays team ball (even if he's taking the most shots) Knicks play like the best team in the league. A more mature and better Melo doesnt not equal an MVP Melo.

First he was not even close to being a candidate.

Then it was "ok fine, he's in the fake race."

Now you have him in the same discussion with Durant, CP3, and Lebron.

Glad to see you're getting warmer.

just calling it like I see it. Nice he's in shape this year and willing to play for the coach right?

Im just giving him his due as hes playing great. Bottom line? He's not a realistic candidate. That hasnt changed one bit. He's in the discussion like Ron Paul is in the presidential discussion. Melo is like 3-4 player having torn ACLs away from a real chance. But if you want to be happy about about a great first 6 weeks here and call him MVP feel free. Knicks are playing great ball to start. Since realism with such things causes hurt feelings I have bowed out of the discussion. But thanks ;)

Yes, getting in shape and playing for Woodson is the best decision Carmelo has ever made, because it has yielded a 19-6 record along with being in the MVP discussion. Haven't heard you complain at all about that have we now? Nor have we heard you say you wish Mike D'antoni was still coaching this team.

So yea, he's willing to play for this coach, he has every reason to.

I have never said I wish MDA was still coaching this team. Also your right... Im not complaining our star player in year 3 decided to show up in shape and play for the head coach and that a serious effort and commitment to conditioning has made him a better player. Who knew?

What makes you think he's stepping up in year 3? He's been putting up these same numbers his whole career. The only thing that's new to him is being a legit MVP candidate because he now has real players around him. Something he never had before. Having Woodson coaching you obviously isn't hurting either.

But again, good to see you coming around.

maybe the same numbers as before but much more efficiently due to his astronomical 3-pt%. he still takes too many shots (and a few bad ones)-- so as the season wears on and he doesn't have as much lift, that 3-pt% will go down and our team will struggle. the key is that, as he loses his 3-pt shooting, he find other ways to generate points, ie by drawing more fouls. notice that last game he put a great head and ball fake on a guy from the left side about 8 feet out. very pierce-like and i approve. this is the kind of adaptation that he will be needing to make to remain efficient.

I know it's not to be expected that he'll keep shooting near 50% from downtown the entire season, but for all we know he may end up doing it.

And last night wasn't really a good night to "scout" him on his ability to get to the free-throw line.
Due to his ankle he barely ever drove to basket, mostly stuck to outside shots.
Which in a way makes his 31 points on over 50% shooting even "better".

if he does it, it will be a statistical anomaly for the ages.

as to the next point, he doesn't need to drive if he is hitting from the perimeter at the clip he has been hitting. it's when that 3-point shot starts to go south of 35%-- he is a career 33% from 3-- that he'll need to find a way to get to the line more times a game. the reason for that is that if you compare his 3FG% to harden and durant-- both of whom are ahead of him in FTA/GM-- he shoots at a lower rate, hence driving up the need to get to the line. good news is we finally saw him do what i was hoping he would do-- start incorporating some guile and cleverness to his game by using the head and ball fake. the more he does that the more staying power he will have.

You keep saying that his 3 pt % will go down but its not really about his career avg which is hurt by his first few years. Its about his attempts. Also, the fact that he is not taking pull up threes. Most f his 3s have been assisted. If you look at his numbers career wise in taking catch and shoot 3s or assisted 3s you would see his % is very high. Plus add on the fact that was a goal he worked on this summer and you get what you see. Like last year he worked on his PnR skills and he was one of the best PnR finishers in the league and still is.

no he's taking a lot of heat-check adrenaline pull-up threes on semi breaks. now, a career 40% 3 guy like nash can do that and get away with it but it is going to catch up with melo eventually.

guys on this site keep telling me to watch the games as though i don't watch the games. i watch the games and there are more than enough examples of those sorts of threes to keep an eye on.

i have the same issue with felton and his ability to orchestrate and get everyone involved. dudes claiming he hits brewer or whomever in the corner and whatnot. give me the time of the game when felton does this and i will be persuaded i don't know what i am talking about.

instead i get <crickets>

so if i have the time and wherewithal i will record the game and make note of when felton hits brewer or anyone in the corner in traffic and i will also make note how many times melo takes a pull up 3. against the bulls i don't think you will see melo doing that as much-- they get back on d-- but lets see how many times felton hits a guy in the corner in traffic.

So explain to me why its ok for nash to try a 3 pt heat ck and not Melo?

Again I have asked dk7th questions and havent got an answer in HOURS.Whats up with that?

i am not a fan of our previous chit chat so i have been reluctant to try again because so far it has not been civil or fruitful. i will try again though.

career 40% from 3 is >>>>> 34% from 3. 43% from 3 gives u the green light, 33% doesn't.

And right now whats the NBA average from 3pt land? Or better yet whats the % that the bball media says is a good 3pt shooter?

What's your point? The average player shouldn't be taking "heat check" 3s. So I don't see where you're going with that.

So Melo is an average player and cant take heat ck shots? Do you know the topic going on here bonn?

cooch2584 wrote:And dk7th are you not a fan of our previous chit chat because I said that you dont answer questions in a timely manner. Or are you just gonna take your ball and go home because you dont have the answers? You seem to "chit chat" with everyone else so whats your problem with me?

you are bellicose. why? if you want to have a civil discussion then be civil and tone down the insults. i gave you answers... you just don't like them or agree with them. if you want to educate me about the game then do so without bullying-- it's annoying. if you are willing to be educated then demonstrate sincere interest.