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holfresh
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1/5/2017  5:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/5/2017  9:24 PM
Do we need a law and order President when crime is at historic lows???..There was an uptick recently...Will he take credit to keeping crime low??..Propaganda he is peddling...Chicago is an anomaly because of how and where the ghettos were built...It's not only about law enforcement..

The Grand bargain was bypassed by the republicans in Congress..It was projected to cut the debt by 4 trillion over the next decade..Republicans didn't want to give Obama the win...They don't care about the country, they care about their party..Look at how the run to give Putin cover...Trump is borderline exhibiting treasonous behavior...He is endorsing a man hiding out in an embassy for an alleged sex offense over our intelligence agencies...

Repatriation will to go stock buyback and bonuses...Everyone knows it and they don't care...

I don't care man...They will rob the joint blind...And their supporters will defend them like they give Putin cover...

Trump bribed an attorney general with money from his foundation...He bilked people in Trump University and quietly paid a 25 million dollar fine..No one talked about it the next day....His family was harking stuff online after the Election trying to make money..His daughter is still making cloths in China...

The hypocrisy is mind blowing...I just cant take this Trump thing seriously...

Icahn is advising him and trades billions annually in the markets just picked the head of the SEC and head of the EPA...He owns oil and gas businesses...Who are you really kidding about Trump and his crew???..Come on..

Trump hasn't paid taxes in two decades and you are worried about a family member getting food stamps...Bro, come on...


I'm just completely dumbfounded at people trying to make articulate arguments in favor of this guy...
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1/5/2017  8:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/5/2017  8:12 PM
Paul Ryan announced they are working on defunding planned parenthood..I wonder if they get a bigger chubby knowing they are screwing over more people...

I guess they have the fund tax cuts for the rich..What's the over/under for the amount of time it takes Trump to roll back the death tax law so he could pass his wealth to his kids untaxed??..I'm sure his supporters will be proud he is draining the swamp of money too..They hate the federal government anyway..
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1/5/2017  8:57 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/5/2017  8:59 PM
Sources: Trump will ask Congress, not Mexico, to pay for border wall

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/border-wall-house-republicans-donald-trump-taxpayers/

Who is going to pay for that Wall???...Of course Congress will say no...Nice way to get out of it..
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1/5/2017  9:18 PM
holfresh wrote:Do we need a law and order President when crime is at historic lows???..There was an uptick recently...Will he take credit to keeping crime low??..Propaganda he is peddling...Chicago is an anomaly because of how and where the ghettos were built...It's not only about law enforcement..

The Grand bargain was bypassed by the republicans in Congress..It was projected to cut the debt by 4 trillion over the next decade..Republicans didn't want to give Obama the win...They don't care about the country, they care about their party..Look at how the run to give Putin cover...Trump is borderline exhibiting treasonous behavior...He is endorsing a man hiding out in an embassy for an alleged sex offense over our intelligence agencies...

Repatriation will to go stock buyback and bonuses...Everyone knows it and they don't care...

I don't care man...They will rob the joint blind...And their supporters will defend them like they give Putin cover...

Trump bribed an attorney general with money from his foundation...He bilked people in Trump University and quietly paid a 25 million dollar fine..No one talked about it the next day....His family was harking stuff online after the Election trying to make money..His daughter is still making cloths in China...

The hypocrisy is mind blowing...I just cant take this Trump thing seriously...

Icahn is advises him and trades billions annually in the markets just picked the head of the SEC and head of the EPA...He owns oil and gas businesses...Who are you really kidding about Trump and his crew???..Come on..

Trump hasn't paid taxes in two decades and you are worried about a family member getting food stamps...Bro, come on...


I'm just completely dumbfounded at people trying to make articulate arguments in favor of this guy...

POST OF THE YEAR!!! Bravo 👏🏾

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1/6/2017  8:42 AM
Your next President, leader of the free World...




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1/6/2017  9:48 AM
trump is a f ckwad and the republicans are f ckwads. the next 4 years are going to be sh t.

but hey - EMAILS EMAILS EMAILS!!!

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1/6/2017  9:51 AM
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Do we need a law and order President when crime is at historic lows???..There was an uptick recently...Will he take credit to keeping crime low??..Propaganda he is peddling...Chicago is an anomaly because of how and where the ghettos were built...It's not only about law enforcement..

The Grand bargain was bypassed by the republicans in Congress..It was projected to cut the debt by 4 trillion over the next decade..Republicans didn't want to give Obama the win...They don't care about the country, they care about their party..Look at how the run to give Putin cover...Trump is borderline exhibiting treasonous behavior...He is endorsing a man hiding out in an embassy for an alleged sex offense over our intelligence agencies...

Repatriation will to go stock buyback and bonuses...Everyone knows it and they don't care...

I don't care man...They will rob the joint blind...And their supporters will defend them like they give Putin cover...

Trump bribed an attorney general with money from his foundation...He bilked people in Trump University and quietly paid a 25 million dollar fine..No one talked about it the next day....His family was harking stuff online after the Election trying to make money..His daughter is still making cloths in China...

The hypocrisy is mind blowing...I just cant take this Trump thing seriously...

Icahn is advises him and trades billions annually in the markets just picked the head of the SEC and head of the EPA...He owns oil and gas businesses...Who are you really kidding about Trump and his crew???..Come on..

Trump hasn't paid taxes in two decades and you are worried about a family member getting food stamps...Bro, come on...


I'm just completely dumbfounded at people trying to make articulate arguments in favor of this guy...

POST OF THE YEAR!!! Bravo 👏🏾

you can't make articulate arguments b/c he is full of sh t with no plans. he's being played like a puppet by multiple parties that have no concern for the american people. folks got caught up in the hustle and couldn't get past their own sh t.

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1/6/2017  10:20 AM
djsunyc wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Do we need a law and order President when crime is at historic lows???..There was an uptick recently...Will he take credit to keeping crime low??..Propaganda he is peddling...Chicago is an anomaly because of how and where the ghettos were built...It's not only about law enforcement..

The Grand bargain was bypassed by the republicans in Congress..It was projected to cut the debt by 4 trillion over the next decade..Republicans didn't want to give Obama the win...They don't care about the country, they care about their party..Look at how the run to give Putin cover...Trump is borderline exhibiting treasonous behavior...He is endorsing a man hiding out in an embassy for an alleged sex offense over our intelligence agencies...

Repatriation will to go stock buyback and bonuses...Everyone knows it and they don't care...

I don't care man...They will rob the joint blind...And their supporters will defend them like they give Putin cover...

Trump bribed an attorney general with money from his foundation...He bilked people in Trump University and quietly paid a 25 million dollar fine..No one talked about it the next day....His family was harking stuff online after the Election trying to make money..His daughter is still making cloths in China...

The hypocrisy is mind blowing...I just cant take this Trump thing seriously...

Icahn is advises him and trades billions annually in the markets just picked the head of the SEC and head of the EPA...He owns oil and gas businesses...Who are you really kidding about Trump and his crew???..Come on..

Trump hasn't paid taxes in two decades and you are worried about a family member getting food stamps...Bro, come on...


I'm just completely dumbfounded at people trying to make articulate arguments in favor of this guy...

POST OF THE YEAR!!! Bravo 👏🏾

you can't make articulate arguments b/c he is full of sh t with no plans. he's being played like a puppet by multiple parties that have no concern for the american people. folks got caught up in the hustle and couldn't get past their own sh t.


It's just more proof that Bill Maher is right that Americans are STUPID! They fell for Trump's BS and ALL THE EVIDENCE showed he was a LIAR, CHEAT, GREEDY, SELFISH, STUPID, PETTY AND A DANGEROUS man. How could anyone with a reasonable thought process believe Trump was worthy of being given THE MOST important job in the world???

To give Trump of all people the ULTIMATE power is almost unforgivable. I thought Bush was bad enough, but this takes the cake. The most unqualified and undeserving person they could pick. I dare one of his supporters on this forum to defend this guy. Come and make the case for why Trump should be leader of the free world.

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1/6/2017  11:22 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/6/2017  11:24 AM
nixluva wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Do we need a law and order President when crime is at historic lows???..There was an uptick recently...Will he take credit to keeping crime low??..Propaganda he is peddling...Chicago is an anomaly because of how and where the ghettos were built...It's not only about law enforcement..

The Grand bargain was bypassed by the republicans in Congress..It was projected to cut the debt by 4 trillion over the next decade..Republicans didn't want to give Obama the win...They don't care about the country, they care about their party..Look at how the run to give Putin cover...Trump is borderline exhibiting treasonous behavior...He is endorsing a man hiding out in an embassy for an alleged sex offense over our intelligence agencies...

Repatriation will to go stock buyback and bonuses...Everyone knows it and they don't care...

I don't care man...They will rob the joint blind...And their supporters will defend them like they give Putin cover...

Trump bribed an attorney general with money from his foundation...He bilked people in Trump University and quietly paid a 25 million dollar fine..No one talked about it the next day....His family was harking stuff online after the Election trying to make money..His daughter is still making cloths in China...

The hypocrisy is mind blowing...I just cant take this Trump thing seriously...

Icahn is advises him and trades billions annually in the markets just picked the head of the SEC and head of the EPA...He owns oil and gas businesses...Who are you really kidding about Trump and his crew???..Come on..

Trump hasn't paid taxes in two decades and you are worried about a family member getting food stamps...Bro, come on...


I'm just completely dumbfounded at people trying to make articulate arguments in favor of this guy...

POST OF THE YEAR!!! Bravo 👏🏾

you can't make articulate arguments b/c he is full of sh t with no plans. he's being played like a puppet by multiple parties that have no concern for the american people. folks got caught up in the hustle and couldn't get past their own sh t.


It's just more proof that Bill Maher is right that Americans are STUPID! They fell for Trump's BS and ALL THE EVIDENCE showed he was a LIAR, CHEAT, GREEDY, SELFISH, STUPID, PETTY AND A DANGEROUS man. How could anyone with a reasonable thought process believe Trump was worthy of being given THE MOST important job in the world???

To give Trump of all people the ULTIMATE power is almost unforgivable. I thought Bush was bad enough, but this takes the cake. The most unqualified and undeserving person they could pick. I dare one of his supporters on this forum to defend this guy. Come and make the case for why Trump should be leader of the free world.

Trump voters are a cross section of many groups and not particularly one ideology...Some of these folks are people who felt left out of the "Big City" conversation...This is their way to say FU to the "educated" class..A lot of people got left out of progress the last two decades..Little they know that City folks are in the same boat...Not really Obama's fault but the Democrats didn't deliver the message to the poor and middle class...Obama and his supporters came across a smarty pants elite types who look down on them...Bill Maher types...Repealing the ACA is saying FU to Obama, even if it means many of them losing healthcare coverage...They just out of the frying pan into the fire...Trump and his bandits will rob them blind...You saw the House as their first action tried to do away with the Ethics Office..They want in on the grand fleecing that is about to go down...

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1/6/2017  12:20 PM
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Do we need a law and order President when crime is at historic lows???..There was an uptick recently...Will he take credit to keeping crime low??..Propaganda he is peddling...Chicago is an anomaly because of how and where the ghettos were built...It's not only about law enforcement..

The Grand bargain was bypassed by the republicans in Congress..It was projected to cut the debt by 4 trillion over the next decade..Republicans didn't want to give Obama the win...They don't care about the country, they care about their party..Look at how the run to give Putin cover...Trump is borderline exhibiting treasonous behavior...He is endorsing a man hiding out in an embassy for an alleged sex offense over our intelligence agencies...

Repatriation will to go stock buyback and bonuses...Everyone knows it and they don't care...

I don't care man...They will rob the joint blind...And their supporters will defend them like they give Putin cover...

Trump bribed an attorney general with money from his foundation...He bilked people in Trump University and quietly paid a 25 million dollar fine..No one talked about it the next day....His family was harking stuff online after the Election trying to make money..His daughter is still making cloths in China...

The hypocrisy is mind blowing...I just cant take this Trump thing seriously...

Icahn is advises him and trades billions annually in the markets just picked the head of the SEC and head of the EPA...He owns oil and gas businesses...Who are you really kidding about Trump and his crew???..Come on..

Trump hasn't paid taxes in two decades and you are worried about a family member getting food stamps...Bro, come on...


I'm just completely dumbfounded at people trying to make articulate arguments in favor of this guy...

POST OF THE YEAR!!! Bravo 👏🏾

you can't make articulate arguments b/c he is full of sh t with no plans. he's being played like a puppet by multiple parties that have no concern for the american people. folks got caught up in the hustle and couldn't get past their own sh t.


It's just more proof that Bill Maher is right that Americans are STUPID! They fell for Trump's BS and ALL THE EVIDENCE showed he was a LIAR, CHEAT, GREEDY, SELFISH, STUPID, PETTY AND A DANGEROUS man. How could anyone with a reasonable thought process believe Trump was worthy of being given THE MOST important job in the world???

To give Trump of all people the ULTIMATE power is almost unforgivable. I thought Bush was bad enough, but this takes the cake. The most unqualified and undeserving person they could pick. I dare one of his supporters on this forum to defend this guy. Come and make the case for why Trump should be leader of the free world.

Trump voters are a cross section of many groups and not particularly one ideology...Some of these folks are people who felt left out of the "Big City" conversation...This is their way to say FU to the "educated" class..A lot of people got left out of progress the last two decades..Little they know that City folks are in the same boat...Not really Obama's fault but the Democrats didn't deliver the message to the poor and middle class...Obama and his supporters came across a smarty pants elite types who look down on them...Bill Maher types...Repealing the ACA is saying FU to Obama, even if it means many of them losing healthcare coverage...They just out of the frying pan into the fire...Trump and his bandits will rob them blind...You saw the House as their first action tried to do away with the Ethics Office..They want in on the grand fleecing that is about to go down...

Why do you think that all this thing to transpire under Trump is a bad final outcome?
It will bring clarity eater way.
We have majority of the society completely delirious of the REAL problems we have from both sides of the Trump divide.
The main POSITIVE from Trump election is that TRUTH will come up inevitably.
Do you afraid to see it? If not that what is your point?

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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1/6/2017  1:59 PM
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Do we need a law and order President when crime is at historic lows???..There was an uptick recently...Will he take credit to keeping crime low??..Propaganda he is peddling...Chicago is an anomaly because of how and where the ghettos were built...It's not only about law enforcement..

The Grand bargain was bypassed by the republicans in Congress..It was projected to cut the debt by 4 trillion over the next decade..Republicans didn't want to give Obama the win...They don't care about the country, they care about their party..Look at how the run to give Putin cover...Trump is borderline exhibiting treasonous behavior...He is endorsing a man hiding out in an embassy for an alleged sex offense over our intelligence agencies...

Repatriation will to go stock buyback and bonuses...Everyone knows it and they don't care...

I don't care man...They will rob the joint blind...And their supporters will defend them like they give Putin cover...

Trump bribed an attorney general with money from his foundation...He bilked people in Trump University and quietly paid a 25 million dollar fine..No one talked about it the next day....His family was harking stuff online after the Election trying to make money..His daughter is still making cloths in China...

The hypocrisy is mind blowing...I just cant take this Trump thing seriously...

Icahn is advises him and trades billions annually in the markets just picked the head of the SEC and head of the EPA...He owns oil and gas businesses...Who are you really kidding about Trump and his crew???..Come on..

Trump hasn't paid taxes in two decades and you are worried about a family member getting food stamps...Bro, come on...


I'm just completely dumbfounded at people trying to make articulate arguments in favor of this guy...

POST OF THE YEAR!!! Bravo 👏🏾

you can't make articulate arguments b/c he is full of sh t with no plans. he's being played like a puppet by multiple parties that have no concern for the american people. folks got caught up in the hustle and couldn't get past their own sh t.


It's just more proof that Bill Maher is right that Americans are STUPID! They fell for Trump's BS and ALL THE EVIDENCE showed he was a LIAR, CHEAT, GREEDY, SELFISH, STUPID, PETTY AND A DANGEROUS man. How could anyone with a reasonable thought process believe Trump was worthy of being given THE MOST important job in the world???

To give Trump of all people the ULTIMATE power is almost unforgivable. I thought Bush was bad enough, but this takes the cake. The most unqualified and undeserving person they could pick. I dare one of his supporters on this forum to defend this guy. Come and make the case for why Trump should be leader of the free world.

Trump voters are a cross section of many groups and not particularly one ideology...Some of these folks are people who felt left out of the "Big City" conversation...This is their way to say FU to the "educated" class..A lot of people got left out of progress the last two decades..Little they know that City folks are in the same boat...Not really Obama's fault but the Democrats didn't deliver the message to the poor and middle class...Obama and his supporters came across a smarty pants elite types who look down on them...Bill Maher types...Repealing the ACA is saying FU to Obama, even if it means many of them losing healthcare coverage...They just out of the frying pan into the fire...Trump and his bandits will rob them blind...You saw the House as their first action tried to do away with the Ethics Office..They want in on the grand fleecing that is about to go down...

Why do you think that all this thing to transpire under Trump is a bad final outcome?
It will bring clarity eater way.
We have majority of the society completely delirious of the REAL problems we have from both sides of the Trump divide.
The main POSITIVE from Trump election is that TRUTH will come up inevitably.
Do you afraid to see it? If not that what is your point?

I do expect the truth to come out about Trump and the Republicans! The main concern is the damage they can do over the next 4 years!!! They can negatively impact a lot of people's lives. Nothing I've seen so far has changed my mind about either Trump or the Republicans being detrimental to the good of the country.

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1/6/2017  2:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/6/2017  3:32 PM
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Do we need a law and order President when crime is at historic lows???..There was an uptick recently...Will he take credit to keeping crime low??..Propaganda he is peddling...Chicago is an anomaly because of how and where the ghettos were built...It's not only about law enforcement..

The Grand bargain was bypassed by the republicans in Congress..It was projected to cut the debt by 4 trillion over the next decade..Republicans didn't want to give Obama the win...They don't care about the country, they care about their party..Look at how the run to give Putin cover...Trump is borderline exhibiting treasonous behavior...He is endorsing a man hiding out in an embassy for an alleged sex offense over our intelligence agencies...

Repatriation will to go stock buyback and bonuses...Everyone knows it and they don't care...

I don't care man...They will rob the joint blind...And their supporters will defend them like they give Putin cover...

Trump bribed an attorney general with money from his foundation...He bilked people in Trump University and quietly paid a 25 million dollar fine..No one talked about it the next day....His family was harking stuff online after the Election trying to make money..His daughter is still making cloths in China...

The hypocrisy is mind blowing...I just cant take this Trump thing seriously...

Icahn is advises him and trades billions annually in the markets just picked the head of the SEC and head of the EPA...He owns oil and gas businesses...Who are you really kidding about Trump and his crew???..Come on..

Trump hasn't paid taxes in two decades and you are worried about a family member getting food stamps...Bro, come on...


I'm just completely dumbfounded at people trying to make articulate arguments in favor of this guy...

POST OF THE YEAR!!! Bravo 👏🏾

you can't make articulate arguments b/c he is full of sh t with no plans. he's being played like a puppet by multiple parties that have no concern for the american people. folks got caught up in the hustle and couldn't get past their own sh t.


It's just more proof that Bill Maher is right that Americans are STUPID! They fell for Trump's BS and ALL THE EVIDENCE showed he was a LIAR, CHEAT, GREEDY, SELFISH, STUPID, PETTY AND A DANGEROUS man. How could anyone with a reasonable thought process believe Trump was worthy of being given THE MOST important job in the world???

To give Trump of all people the ULTIMATE power is almost unforgivable. I thought Bush was bad enough, but this takes the cake. The most unqualified and undeserving person they could pick. I dare one of his supporters on this forum to defend this guy. Come and make the case for why Trump should be leader of the free world.

Trump voters are a cross section of many groups and not particularly one ideology...Some of these folks are people who felt left out of the "Big City" conversation...This is their way to say FU to the "educated" class..A lot of people got left out of progress the last two decades..Little they know that City folks are in the same boat...Not really Obama's fault but the Democrats didn't deliver the message to the poor and middle class...Obama and his supporters came across a smarty pants elite types who look down on them...Bill Maher types...Repealing the ACA is saying FU to Obama, even if it means many of them losing healthcare coverage...They just out of the frying pan into the fire...Trump and his bandits will rob them blind...You saw the House as their first action tried to do away with the Ethics Office..They want in on the grand fleecing that is about to go down...

Why do you think that all this thing to transpire under Trump is a bad final outcome?
It will bring clarity eater way.

We have majority of the society completely delirious of the REAL problems we have from both sides of the Trump divide.
The main POSITIVE from Trump election is that TRUTH will come up inevitably.
Do you afraid to see it? If not that what is your point?

Because Trump is a class A crook...He has stolen from people and bragged about it..He bribed an Attorney General of Florida..He swindled people in "Trump University"..He prodded Diplomats to use his Hotel in Washington and they are doing it...His friend and adviser hand picked the head of the SEC and EPA...He invest billions in the market and owns Oil and Gas companies...
What do you think will change about him when he gets to the white house...He is lining up his friends in key positions...Who is being naive???

Trump is telling his supporters not to believe the press and they are complying...So what truth are you talking about??..My fear is that we would have lost many gains like Healthcare for 25 million people(8.8 mil signed up since Nov 1st). The Economy, War in the middle east again, climate change, etc...Missing the chance to be the leader in Asia..

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1/6/2017  4:36 PM
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Do we need a law and order President when crime is at historic lows???..There was an uptick recently...Will he take credit to keeping crime low??..Propaganda he is peddling...Chicago is an anomaly because of how and where the ghettos were built...It's not only about law enforcement..

The Grand bargain was bypassed by the republicans in Congress..It was projected to cut the debt by 4 trillion over the next decade..Republicans didn't want to give Obama the win...They don't care about the country, they care about their party..Look at how the run to give Putin cover...Trump is borderline exhibiting treasonous behavior...He is endorsing a man hiding out in an embassy for an alleged sex offense over our intelligence agencies...

Repatriation will to go stock buyback and bonuses...Everyone knows it and they don't care...

I don't care man...They will rob the joint blind...And their supporters will defend them like they give Putin cover...

Trump bribed an attorney general with money from his foundation...He bilked people in Trump University and quietly paid a 25 million dollar fine..No one talked about it the next day....His family was harking stuff online after the Election trying to make money..His daughter is still making cloths in China...

The hypocrisy is mind blowing...I just cant take this Trump thing seriously...

Icahn is advises him and trades billions annually in the markets just picked the head of the SEC and head of the EPA...He owns oil and gas businesses...Who are you really kidding about Trump and his crew???..Come on..

Trump hasn't paid taxes in two decades and you are worried about a family member getting food stamps...Bro, come on...


I'm just completely dumbfounded at people trying to make articulate arguments in favor of this guy...

POST OF THE YEAR!!! Bravo 👏🏾

you can't make articulate arguments b/c he is full of sh t with no plans. he's being played like a puppet by multiple parties that have no concern for the american people. folks got caught up in the hustle and couldn't get past their own sh t.


It's just more proof that Bill Maher is right that Americans are STUPID! They fell for Trump's BS and ALL THE EVIDENCE showed he was a LIAR, CHEAT, GREEDY, SELFISH, STUPID, PETTY AND A DANGEROUS man. How could anyone with a reasonable thought process believe Trump was worthy of being given THE MOST important job in the world???

To give Trump of all people the ULTIMATE power is almost unforgivable. I thought Bush was bad enough, but this takes the cake. The most unqualified and undeserving person they could pick. I dare one of his supporters on this forum to defend this guy. Come and make the case for why Trump should be leader of the free world.

Trump voters are a cross section of many groups and not particularly one ideology...Some of these folks are people who felt left out of the "Big City" conversation...This is their way to say FU to the "educated" class..A lot of people got left out of progress the last two decades..Little they know that City folks are in the same boat...Not really Obama's fault but the Democrats didn't deliver the message to the poor and middle class...Obama and his supporters came across a smarty pants elite types who look down on them...Bill Maher types...Repealing the ACA is saying FU to Obama, even if it means many of them losing healthcare coverage...They just out of the frying pan into the fire...Trump and his bandits will rob them blind...You saw the House as their first action tried to do away with the Ethics Office..They want in on the grand fleecing that is about to go down...

Why do you think that all this thing to transpire under Trump is a bad final outcome?
It will bring clarity eater way.
We have majority of the society completely delirious of the REAL problems we have from both sides of the Trump divide.
The main POSITIVE from Trump election is that TRUTH will come up inevitably.
Do you afraid to see it? If not that what is your point?

At what cost?

Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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1/6/2017  4:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/6/2017  5:01 PM
Cartman718 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Do we need a law and order President when crime is at historic lows???..There was an uptick recently...Will he take credit to keeping crime low??..Propaganda he is peddling...Chicago is an anomaly because of how and where the ghettos were built...It's not only about law enforcement..

The Grand bargain was bypassed by the republicans in Congress..It was projected to cut the debt by 4 trillion over the next decade..Republicans didn't want to give Obama the win...They don't care about the country, they care about their party..Look at how the run to give Putin cover...Trump is borderline exhibiting treasonous behavior...He is endorsing a man hiding out in an embassy for an alleged sex offense over our intelligence agencies...

Repatriation will to go stock buyback and bonuses...Everyone knows it and they don't care...

I don't care man...They will rob the joint blind...And their supporters will defend them like they give Putin cover...

Trump bribed an attorney general with money from his foundation...He bilked people in Trump University and quietly paid a 25 million dollar fine..No one talked about it the next day....His family was harking stuff online after the Election trying to make money..His daughter is still making cloths in China...

The hypocrisy is mind blowing...I just cant take this Trump thing seriously...

Icahn is advises him and trades billions annually in the markets just picked the head of the SEC and head of the EPA...He owns oil and gas businesses...Who are you really kidding about Trump and his crew???..Come on..

Trump hasn't paid taxes in two decades and you are worried about a family member getting food stamps...Bro, come on...


I'm just completely dumbfounded at people trying to make articulate arguments in favor of this guy...

POST OF THE YEAR!!! Bravo 👏🏾

you can't make articulate arguments b/c he is full of sh t with no plans. he's being played like a puppet by multiple parties that have no concern for the american people. folks got caught up in the hustle and couldn't get past their own sh t.


It's just more proof that Bill Maher is right that Americans are STUPID! They fell for Trump's BS and ALL THE EVIDENCE showed he was a LIAR, CHEAT, GREEDY, SELFISH, STUPID, PETTY AND A DANGEROUS man. How could anyone with a reasonable thought process believe Trump was worthy of being given THE MOST important job in the world???

To give Trump of all people the ULTIMATE power is almost unforgivable. I thought Bush was bad enough, but this takes the cake. The most unqualified and undeserving person they could pick. I dare one of his supporters on this forum to defend this guy. Come and make the case for why Trump should be leader of the free world.

Trump voters are a cross section of many groups and not particularly one ideology...Some of these folks are people who felt left out of the "Big City" conversation...This is their way to say FU to the "educated" class..A lot of people got left out of progress the last two decades..Little they know that City folks are in the same boat...Not really Obama's fault but the Democrats didn't deliver the message to the poor and middle class...Obama and his supporters came across a smarty pants elite types who look down on them...Bill Maher types...Repealing the ACA is saying FU to Obama, even if it means many of them losing healthcare coverage...They just out of the frying pan into the fire...Trump and his bandits will rob them blind...You saw the House as their first action tried to do away with the Ethics Office..They want in on the grand fleecing that is about to go down...

Why do you think that all this thing to transpire under Trump is a bad final outcome?
It will bring clarity eater way.
We have majority of the society completely delirious of the REAL problems we have from both sides of the Trump divide.
The main POSITIVE from Trump election is that TRUTH will come up inevitably.
Do you afraid to see it? If not that what is your point?

At what cost?

Truth worth any cost... millions died for it and millions fight for it.
US public is not into the truth hunt but rather like to have their perception of truth to be in tact.
It is cool to have carriers, steals bombers, nukes, marines, and thousand miles of open ocean to make this possible.
But World is getting to small for this, so time to get real.
This were Trumps come up... He is just a symbol of need randomly selected by destiny.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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1/6/2017  5:06 PM
arkrud wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Do we need a law and order President when crime is at historic lows???..There was an uptick recently...Will he take credit to keeping crime low??..Propaganda he is peddling...Chicago is an anomaly because of how and where the ghettos were built...It's not only about law enforcement..

The Grand bargain was bypassed by the republicans in Congress..It was projected to cut the debt by 4 trillion over the next decade..Republicans didn't want to give Obama the win...They don't care about the country, they care about their party..Look at how the run to give Putin cover...Trump is borderline exhibiting treasonous behavior...He is endorsing a man hiding out in an embassy for an alleged sex offense over our intelligence agencies...

Repatriation will to go stock buyback and bonuses...Everyone knows it and they don't care...

I don't care man...They will rob the joint blind...And their supporters will defend them like they give Putin cover...

Trump bribed an attorney general with money from his foundation...He bilked people in Trump University and quietly paid a 25 million dollar fine..No one talked about it the next day....His family was harking stuff online after the Election trying to make money..His daughter is still making cloths in China...

The hypocrisy is mind blowing...I just cant take this Trump thing seriously...

Icahn is advises him and trades billions annually in the markets just picked the head of the SEC and head of the EPA...He owns oil and gas businesses...Who are you really kidding about Trump and his crew???..Come on..

Trump hasn't paid taxes in two decades and you are worried about a family member getting food stamps...Bro, come on...


I'm just completely dumbfounded at people trying to make articulate arguments in favor of this guy...

POST OF THE YEAR!!! Bravo 👏🏾

you can't make articulate arguments b/c he is full of sh t with no plans. he's being played like a puppet by multiple parties that have no concern for the american people. folks got caught up in the hustle and couldn't get past their own sh t.


It's just more proof that Bill Maher is right that Americans are STUPID! They fell for Trump's BS and ALL THE EVIDENCE showed he was a LIAR, CHEAT, GREEDY, SELFISH, STUPID, PETTY AND A DANGEROUS man. How could anyone with a reasonable thought process believe Trump was worthy of being given THE MOST important job in the world???

To give Trump of all people the ULTIMATE power is almost unforgivable. I thought Bush was bad enough, but this takes the cake. The most unqualified and undeserving person they could pick. I dare one of his supporters on this forum to defend this guy. Come and make the case for why Trump should be leader of the free world.

Trump voters are a cross section of many groups and not particularly one ideology...Some of these folks are people who felt left out of the "Big City" conversation...This is their way to say FU to the "educated" class..A lot of people got left out of progress the last two decades..Little they know that City folks are in the same boat...Not really Obama's fault but the Democrats didn't deliver the message to the poor and middle class...Obama and his supporters came across a smarty pants elite types who look down on them...Bill Maher types...Repealing the ACA is saying FU to Obama, even if it means many of them losing healthcare coverage...They just out of the frying pan into the fire...Trump and his bandits will rob them blind...You saw the House as their first action tried to do away with the Ethics Office..They want in on the grand fleecing that is about to go down...

Why do you think that all this thing to transpire under Trump is a bad final outcome?
It will bring clarity eater way.
We have majority of the society completely delirious of the REAL problems we have from both sides of the Trump divide.
The main POSITIVE from Trump election is that TRUTH will come up inevitably.
Do you afraid to see it? If not that what is your point?

At what cost?

Truth worth any cost... millions died for it and millions fight for it.
US public is not into the truth hunt but rather like to have their perception of truth to be in tact.
It is cool to have carriers, steals bombers, nukes, marines, and thousand miles of open ocean to make this possible.
But World is getting to small for this, so time to get real.
This were Trumps come up... He is just a symbol of need randomly selected by destiny.

Good chat. It shows where your head is at. Millions died for it, so that's acceptable to you, if Trump is the trigger.
As far as "symbol of need randomly selected by destiny", whose needs are you referring to? Please be specific, not vague.

Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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1/7/2017  1:24 AM
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Do we need a law and order President when crime is at historic lows???..There was an uptick recently...Will he take credit to keeping crime low??..Propaganda he is peddling...Chicago is an anomaly because of how and where the ghettos were built...It's not only about law enforcement..

The Grand bargain was bypassed by the republicans in Congress..It was projected to cut the debt by 4 trillion over the next decade..Republicans didn't want to give Obama the win...They don't care about the country, they care about their party..Look at how the run to give Putin cover...Trump is borderline exhibiting treasonous behavior...He is endorsing a man hiding out in an embassy for an alleged sex offense over our intelligence agencies...

Repatriation will to go stock buyback and bonuses...Everyone knows it and they don't care...

I don't care man...They will rob the joint blind...And their supporters will defend them like they give Putin cover...

Trump bribed an attorney general with money from his foundation...He bilked people in Trump University and quietly paid a 25 million dollar fine..No one talked about it the next day....His family was harking stuff online after the Election trying to make money..His daughter is still making cloths in China...

The hypocrisy is mind blowing...I just cant take this Trump thing seriously...

Icahn is advises him and trades billions annually in the markets just picked the head of the SEC and head of the EPA...He owns oil and gas businesses...Who are you really kidding about Trump and his crew???..Come on..

Trump hasn't paid taxes in two decades and you are worried about a family member getting food stamps...Bro, come on...


I'm just completely dumbfounded at people trying to make articulate arguments in favor of this guy...

POST OF THE YEAR!!! Bravo 👏🏾

you can't make articulate arguments b/c he is full of sh t with no plans. he's being played like a puppet by multiple parties that have no concern for the american people. folks got caught up in the hustle and couldn't get past their own sh t.


It's just more proof that Bill Maher is right that Americans are STUPID! They fell for Trump's BS and ALL THE EVIDENCE showed he was a LIAR, CHEAT, GREEDY, SELFISH, STUPID, PETTY AND A DANGEROUS man. How could anyone with a reasonable thought process believe Trump was worthy of being given THE MOST important job in the world???

To give Trump of all people the ULTIMATE power is almost unforgivable. I thought Bush was bad enough, but this takes the cake. The most unqualified and undeserving person they could pick. I dare one of his supporters on this forum to defend this guy. Come and make the case for why Trump should be leader of the free world.

Trump voters are a cross section of many groups and not particularly one ideology...Some of these folks are people who felt left out of the "Big City" conversation...This is their way to say FU to the "educated" class..A lot of people got left out of progress the last two decades..Little they know that City folks are in the same boat...Not really Obama's fault but the Democrats didn't deliver the message to the poor and middle class...Obama and his supporters came across a smarty pants elite types who look down on them...Bill Maher types...Repealing the ACA is saying FU to Obama, even if it means many of them losing healthcare coverage...They just out of the frying pan into the fire...Trump and his bandits will rob them blind...You saw the House as their first action tried to do away with the Ethics Office..They want in on the grand fleecing that is about to go down...

Why do you think that all this thing to transpire under Trump is a bad final outcome?
It will bring clarity eater way.

We have majority of the society completely delirious of the REAL problems we have from both sides of the Trump divide.
The main POSITIVE from Trump election is that TRUTH will come up inevitably.
Do you afraid to see it? If not that what is your point?

Because Trump is a class A crook...He has stolen from people and bragged about it..He bribed an Attorney General of Florida..He swindled people in "Trump University"..He prodded Diplomats to use his Hotel in Washington and they are doing it...His friend and adviser hand picked the head of the SEC and EPA...He invest billions in the market and owns Oil and Gas companies...
What do you think will change about him when he gets to the white house...He is lining up his friends in key positions...Who is being naive???

Trump is telling his supporters not to believe the press and they are complying...So what truth are you talking about??..My fear is that we would have lost many gains like Healthcare for 25 million people(8.8 mil signed up since Nov 1st). The Economy, War in the middle east again, climate change, etc...Missing the chance to be the leader in Asia..

The fact is that crime stats have trended down since the passage of the Crime Bill of 94 that was passed under the Clinton administration partly in response to black leaders who wanted stricter enforcement in their neighborhoods since they were being overrun by black crime and drugs, that decline continued thru Bush and President Obama admins but that legislation has now been bashed by many in the last two years as part of the reason for low black family formation. Under President Obama there has been lower imprisonment and legislation was passed regarding differences in sentencing including crack and powder cocaine but the issue of imprisonment for marijuana alone has been proven to be very minimal and claims to other effects proven to be false. President Obama rightfully raised criminal justice reform and biased policing in his second term but that message was received poorly on the streets. Police were accused of receding by many urban communities, there were numerous police shootings and crime rates have ticked up in cities. The sad reality is that blacks still committed more murders in 2016 than any race despite being only 13 % of the population. The other reality is that gangs continue to grow and flourish in many areas across the nation and attacks by extremists still occur especially in western countries so yeh many LAW ABIDING people wanted a law and order president. Rather shallow to pass over the travesty in Chicago and hypocritical not to make black lives lost there a national issue. Do you really think that today's mainstream media is not biased and does not distort and attempt to influence? Good lord, even President Obama has said in interviews that all msm do whether it be NYT and CNN for Dems or the Post and Fox for Pubs but only Trump is nutty enuff to call them out and take them on even though he provides them daily ammunition with his bizarre tweets. I read the Russian hawking unclassified summary that tv channel RT America was delivering Russian propaganda. Seriously? that has been known for years just as other channels are known for other propaganda. The other great revelation was that Putin favored Trump and Kremlin while surprised was celebrating the election results because they thought trump would better fight ISIS with them and have closer business relations. Treason my sss, sign me up for better diplomatic relations with another superpower instead of the detente where we are not even at the discussion table of ceasing genocide in Aleppo though Hillary still thought it was up for grabs. Hope Trump reverses those politically driven Russia sanctions on day one and both countries get back to spying on each other like always. 9mil people signed up for health insurance since November? ACA has been around for nearly seven years , nothing but a rush by the young , poor and insured including my daughter at my urging to be on the books before upcoming changes, preexisting conditions will rightfully be kept but expect small business community to rejoice. President Obama and the Clintons admitted it was flawed so question begs why didn't they refine it. Rather just cote health coverage, the issue should be on affordable healthcare. The economy? Bush certainly focked us up but its been eight long years and we have a slow economy that is still mending. The spin is a 75 months of positive employments but any substantive economist will tell you that creating 156 k at this point is terrible and that our low employment rate is more the result of labor market participation that is historically low and crappy part time jobs. Wage growth and standard of living are still lower than ten years ago but we have certainly made progress on lgbt issues though blacks continue to fall behind in every economic measure during this slow recovery and btw increases in blacks using food stamps and poverty levels should not be stupidly dismissed as a result of President Obama 's tax rates. Instead the discussion and question raised should be why is this still the case given the monies expended and target programs over the last fifty years. Everybody should worry about college affordability but first focus for blacks should be on early school education as academic stats have shown only 5% of black students in hs are proficient nuff in the four subjects to be ready for community college. The issues of school vouchers should be explored more fully because Title 1 has accomplished little and every study from independent educational research shows that money alone has not closed gaps. If private schools are right for President Obama's or Trumps children rather than a DC public than the same should apply to other young blacks. Climate control? Im not a scientist but clean energy seems proper. Finally, Trump is unpresidential and may turn out to be a disaster, his many supporters may regret their vote but they decided that this country needed a sparkplug and that the Dems offered a candidate inferior to President Obama. Biden choose not to run and Dems wrongly assumed demographics had to fall their way. White vote won President Obama his presidency as much as the black vote, white vote lost Hillary her presidency. Calling them racist or dumb is a bit short sighted. Trump is our president in two weeks and I wish him well, he has displayed some intuition reading the landscape but he also flies by the seat of his pants, he has shown that he will not be restrained by being correct or consistent which is somewhat t refreshing but most alarming. Time will tell

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1/7/2017  6:53 PM
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/06/the-trump-bubble-3/


The Trump Bubble

By Mike Whitney

Donald Trump has a plan for dealing with the stock market bubble. Make it bigger.

Before the election candidate Trump blasted Federal Reserve chairman Janet Yellen for keeping interest rates too low for too long to keep the economy humming along while Obama was still in office. The president elect accused Yellen of being politically motivated suggesting that the Fed’s policies had put the country at risk of another stock market Crash like 2008.

“If rates go up, you’re going to see something that’s not pretty,” Trump told Fox News in an interview in September. “It’s all a big bubble.”

Yellen of course denied Trump’s claims saying, “We do not discuss politics at our meetings, and we do not take politics into account in our decisions.”

As we shall see later in this article, Yellen was lying about the political role the Fed plays in setting policy, in fact, last week’s FOMC statement clearly establishes the Fed as basically a political institution that implements an agenda that serves a very small group of powerful constituents, the 1 percent. If serving the interests of one group over all of the others is not politics, than what is it?

The problem we have with Trump is not his critique of the market or the Fed. The problem is his remedy which can be sussed out by reviewing his economic plan. Trump wants to slash personal and corporate taxes in order to put more money into the economy to increase business investment, boost hiring, and rev up growth. Regrettably, his tax plan achieves none of these.

First of all, slashing taxes for the wealthy does not boost growth. We know that. It doesn’t work. Period. Check out this blurb from an article on CNBC:

“A study from the Congressional Research Service — the non-partisan research office for Congress — shows that “there is little evidence over the past 65 years that tax cuts for the highest earners are associated with savings, investment or productivity growth.”

In fact, the study found that higher tax rates for the wealthy are statistically associated with higher levels of growth…

The CRS study looked at tax rates and economic growth since 1945. The top tax rate in 1945 was above 90 percent, and fell to 70 percent in the 1960s and to a low of 28 percent in 1986. The top current rate is 35 percent. The tax rate for capital gains was 25 percent in the 1940s and 1950s, then went up to 35 percent in the 1970s, before coming down to 15 percent today — the lowest rate in more than 65 years.

Lowering these rates for the wealthy, the study found, isn’t aligned with significant improvement in any of the areas it examined…

There is one part of the economy, however, that is changed by tax cuts for the rich: inequality….

The share of total income going to the top 0.1 percent hovered around 4 percent during the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s, then rose to 12 percent by the mid-2000s. During this period, the average tax rate paid by the 0.1 percent fell from more than 40 percent to below 25 percent.” (Study: Tax Cuts for the Rich Don’t Spur Growth, CNBC)

Trump’s tax plan will increase inequality by making the rich richer. He wants to reduce the top tax rate from 39.6% to 33% which means that people “making $3.7 million or more in a year, would receive $1 million in annual tax savings.” (USA Today) The plan is bad for the economy, bad for the deficits and bad for working people who will see more aggressive attacks on Social Security to make up for the losses in revenue.

Second, the huge tax break Trump intends to award to the tax dodging corporations that stash their money overseas will not be used to fire up growth or invest in future business ventures, but to issue more dividends to shareholders or increase stock buybacks that pump up stock prices. There’s a great article at the Intercept website that sums it up perfectly. Here’s a short excerpt:

“The official line from U.S.-based multinational corporations is that if they get a huge tax break, they’ll bring home the trillions of dollars in profits they’ve stashed overseas and use it to hire tons of Americans.

But now that Donald Trump’s election means it might really happen, corporate executives are telling Wall Street analysts what they’ll actually use that money for: enriching their shareholders and buying other companies.

The Intercept’s examination of dozens of earnings calls and investor conference talks since Trump won the presidential election finds that many executives are telling analysts at large banks that they are eager to take the money to increase dividends and stock buybacks as well as snap up competitors. They demonstrate considerably less if any enthusiasm for going on a domestic hiring spree…

“The wealthy are going to create tremendous jobs. They’re going to expand their companies,” Trump asserted during the first presidential debate. “They’re going to bring $2.5 trillion back from overseas, … to be put to use on the inner cities and lots of other things, and it would be beautiful.” During the third debate he promised that “We’re going to start hiring people, we’re going to bring the $2.5 trillion that’s offshore back into the country. We are going to start the engine rolling again.” (Corporations Prepare to Gorge on Tax Cuts Trump Claims Will Create Jobs, Jon Schwartz, The Intercept)

Trump knows his so called “tax holiday” scam is a bunch of baloney. Why would companies expand their operations, hire more workers, and generate more product when consumer demand is still in the crapper seven years after the Great Recession?

They’re not going to do that. They’re going to do exactly what their shareholders expect them to do, pursue those areas of investment that promise the best possible return. In this case that means stock buybacks, the financial engineering swindle that’s going to add another $2 trillion to equities valuations and send Trump’s “bubble” to the moon.

The people who believe that Trump is going to defend the “little guy” against the special interests, corporate lobbyists and elitist oligarchy who run this country are going to be pretty disappointed. Behind his widely-ballyhooed public relations campaign aimed at convincing his backers that he’s determined to keep the jobs in the US, Trump is working all the levers to ensure the big money keeps flowing in the same direction it has been for the last 30 years. Upwards.

As for Yellen, last week’s FOMC statement made it crystal clear that if Trump makes any attempt to veer from the predatory, neoliberal course she’s charted, he will be quickly slapped down with higher interest rates. Check out her comments from the post-statement press conference:

“We’re operating under a cloud of uncertainty at the moment … Some participants noted that if the labor market appeared to be tightening significantly more than expected, it might become necessary to adjust the Committee’s communications about the expected path of the federal funds rate, consistent with the possibility that a less gradual pace of increases would become appropriate.”

In other words, if wages finally manage to break-free from their seven years of flatlining stagnation due to an unforeseen surge in growth, the Fed will immediately extinguish that improvement by raising rates and reducing the level of economic activity. Yellen’s statement simply confirms the Fed’s anti-worker bias.

Which is why we say the Fed is basically a political institution.

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1/7/2017  8:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/7/2017  8:34 PM
meloanyk wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Do we need a law and order President when crime is at historic lows???..There was an uptick recently...Will he take credit to keeping crime low??..Propaganda he is peddling...Chicago is an anomaly because of how and where the ghettos were built...It's not only about law enforcement..

The Grand bargain was bypassed by the republicans in Congress..It was projected to cut the debt by 4 trillion over the next decade..Republicans didn't want to give Obama the win...They don't care about the country, they care about their party..Look at how the run to give Putin cover...Trump is borderline exhibiting treasonous behavior...He is endorsing a man hiding out in an embassy for an alleged sex offense over our intelligence agencies...

Repatriation will to go stock buyback and bonuses...Everyone knows it and they don't care...

I don't care man...They will rob the joint blind...And their supporters will defend them like they give Putin cover...

Trump bribed an attorney general with money from his foundation...He bilked people in Trump University and quietly paid a 25 million dollar fine..No one talked about it the next day....His family was harking stuff online after the Election trying to make money..His daughter is still making cloths in China...

The hypocrisy is mind blowing...I just cant take this Trump thing seriously...

Icahn is advises him and trades billions annually in the markets just picked the head of the SEC and head of the EPA...He owns oil and gas businesses...Who are you really kidding about Trump and his crew???..Come on..

Trump hasn't paid taxes in two decades and you are worried about a family member getting food stamps...Bro, come on...


I'm just completely dumbfounded at people trying to make articulate arguments in favor of this guy...

POST OF THE YEAR!!! Bravo 👏🏾

you can't make articulate arguments b/c he is full of sh t with no plans. he's being played like a puppet by multiple parties that have no concern for the american people. folks got caught up in the hustle and couldn't get past their own sh t.


It's just more proof that Bill Maher is right that Americans are STUPID! They fell for Trump's BS and ALL THE EVIDENCE showed he was a LIAR, CHEAT, GREEDY, SELFISH, STUPID, PETTY AND A DANGEROUS man. How could anyone with a reasonable thought process believe Trump was worthy of being given THE MOST important job in the world???

To give Trump of all people the ULTIMATE power is almost unforgivable. I thought Bush was bad enough, but this takes the cake. The most unqualified and undeserving person they could pick. I dare one of his supporters on this forum to defend this guy. Come and make the case for why Trump should be leader of the free world.

Trump voters are a cross section of many groups and not particularly one ideology...Some of these folks are people who felt left out of the "Big City" conversation...This is their way to say FU to the "educated" class..A lot of people got left out of progress the last two decades..Little they know that City folks are in the same boat...Not really Obama's fault but the Democrats didn't deliver the message to the poor and middle class...Obama and his supporters came across a smarty pants elite types who look down on them...Bill Maher types...Repealing the ACA is saying FU to Obama, even if it means many of them losing healthcare coverage...They just out of the frying pan into the fire...Trump and his bandits will rob them blind...You saw the House as their first action tried to do away with the Ethics Office..They want in on the grand fleecing that is about to go down...

Why do you think that all this thing to transpire under Trump is a bad final outcome?
It will bring clarity eater way.

We have majority of the society completely delirious of the REAL problems we have from both sides of the Trump divide.
The main POSITIVE from Trump election is that TRUTH will come up inevitably.
Do you afraid to see it? If not that what is your point?

Because Trump is a class A crook...He has stolen from people and bragged about it..He bribed an Attorney General of Florida..He swindled people in "Trump University"..He prodded Diplomats to use his Hotel in Washington and they are doing it...His friend and adviser hand picked the head of the SEC and EPA...He invest billions in the market and owns Oil and Gas companies...
What do you think will change about him when he gets to the white house...He is lining up his friends in key positions...Who is being naive???

Trump is telling his supporters not to believe the press and they are complying...So what truth are you talking about??..My fear is that we would have lost many gains like Healthcare for 25 million people(8.8 mil signed up since Nov 1st). The Economy, War in the middle east again, climate change, etc...Missing the chance to be the leader in Asia..

The fact is that crime stats have trended down since the passage of the Crime Bill of 94 that was passed under the Clinton administration partly in response to black leaders who wanted stricter enforcement in their neighborhoods since they were being overrun by black crime and drugs, that decline continued thru Bush and President Obama admins but that legislation has now been bashed by many in the last two years as part of the reason for low black family formation. Under President Obama there has been lower imprisonment and legislation was passed regarding differences in sentencing including crack and powder cocaine but the issue of imprisonment for marijuana alone has been proven to be very minimal and claims to other effects proven to be false. President Obama rightfully raised criminal justice reform and biased policing in his second term but that message was received poorly on the streets. Police were accused of receding by many urban communities, there were numerous police shootings and crime rates have ticked up in cities. The sad reality is that blacks still committed more murders in 2016 than any race despite being only 13 % of the population. The other reality is that gangs continue to grow and flourish in many areas across the nation and attacks by extremists still occur especially in western countries so yeh many LAW ABIDING people wanted a law and order president. Rather shallow to pass over the travesty in Chicago and hypocritical not to make black lives lost there a national issue. Do you really think that today's mainstream media is not biased and does not distort and attempt to influence? Good lord, even President Obama has said in interviews that all msm do whether it be NYT and CNN for Dems or the Post and Fox for Pubs but only Trump is nutty enuff to call them out and take them on even though he provides them daily ammunition with his bizarre tweets. I read the Russian hawking unclassified summary that tv channel RT America was delivering Russian propaganda. Seriously? that has been known for years just as other channels are known for other propaganda. The other great revelation was that Putin favored Trump and Kremlin while surprised was celebrating the election results because they thought trump would better fight ISIS with them and have closer business relations. Treason my sss, sign me up for better diplomatic relations with another superpower instead of the detente where we are not even at the discussion table of ceasing genocide in Aleppo though Hillary still thought it was up for grabs. Hope Trump reverses those politically driven Russia sanctions on day one and both countries get back to spying on each other like always. 9mil people signed up for health insurance since November? ACA has been around for nearly seven years , nothing but a rush by the young , poor and insured including my daughter at my urging to be on the books before upcoming changes, preexisting conditions will rightfully be kept but expect small business community to rejoice. President Obama and the Clintons admitted it was flawed so question begs why didn't they refine it. Rather just cote health coverage, the issue should be on affordable healthcare. The economy? Bush certainly focked us up but its been eight long years and we have a slow economy that is still mending. The spin is a 75 months of positive employments but any substantive economist will tell you that creating 156 k at this point is terrible and that our low employment rate is more the result of labor market participation that is historically low and crappy part time jobs. Wage growth and standard of living are still lower than ten years ago but we have certainly made progress on lgbt issues though blacks continue to fall behind in every economic measure during this slow recovery and btw increases in blacks using food stamps and poverty levels should not be stupidly dismissed as a result of President Obama 's tax rates. Instead the discussion and question raised should be why is this still the case given the monies expended and target programs over the last fifty years. Everybody should worry about college affordability but first focus for blacks should be on early school education as academic stats have shown only 5% of black students in hs are proficient nuff in the four subjects to be ready for community college. The issues of school vouchers should be explored more fully because Title 1 has accomplished little and every study from independent educational research shows that money alone has not closed gaps. If private schools are right for President Obama's or Trumps children rather than a DC public than the same should apply to other young blacks. Climate control? Im not a scientist but clean energy seems proper. Finally, Trump is unpresidential and may turn out to be a disaster, his many supporters may regret their vote but they decided that this country needed a sparkplug and that the Dems offered a candidate inferior to President Obama. Biden choose not to run and Dems wrongly assumed demographics had to fall their way. White vote won President Obama his presidency as much as the black vote, white vote lost Hillary her presidency. Calling them racist or dumb is a bit short sighted. Trump is our president in two weeks and I wish him well, he has displayed some intuition reading the landscape but he also flies by the seat of his pants, he has shown that he will not be restrained by being correct or consistent which is somewhat t refreshing but most alarming. Time will tell

I didn't read all of the stuff written because the format is just horrible..But most of the stuff I read was already debated by me and written in another thread..The Crime Bill has already been proven not to have the impact on crime you have stated...

One thing stood out in the above...Politically driven sanctions against Russia???..What politics are you referring to??..Did you miss the invasion of Ukraine and Crimea??..Putin is now your bestie because he is Trump's new BFF???

And do you understand that Russia was part of the Genocide in Aleppo???..Or is that OK when it's a bestie doing the killing???

This is where I stopped reading because it wasn't worth the aggravation sifting thru that mess...You can't be taken seriously...

If you want a serious debate, lets look at the accepted facts and debate them...You can google the crime bill to see it had almost no effect on the crime rate...If you can't at least do that, we are both wasting our time....

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1/7/2017  11:27 PM
holfresh wrote:
meloanyk wrote:
holfresh wrote:
arkrud wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:Do we need a law and order President when crime is at historic lows???..There was an uptick recently...Will he take credit to keeping crime low??..Propaganda he is peddling...Chicago is an anomaly because of how and where the ghettos were built...It's not only about law enforcement..

The Grand bargain was bypassed by the republicans in Congress..It was projected to cut the debt by 4 trillion over the next decade..Republicans didn't want to give Obama the win...They don't care about the country, they care about their party..Look at how the run to give Putin cover...Trump is borderline exhibiting treasonous behavior...He is endorsing a man hiding out in an embassy for an alleged sex offense over our intelligence agencies...

Repatriation will to go stock buyback and bonuses...Everyone knows it and they don't care...

I don't care man...They will rob the joint blind...And their supporters will defend them like they give Putin cover...

Trump bribed an attorney general with money from his foundation...He bilked people in Trump University and quietly paid a 25 million dollar fine..No one talked about it the next day....His family was harking stuff online after the Election trying to make money..His daughter is still making cloths in China...

The hypocrisy is mind blowing...I just cant take this Trump thing seriously...

Icahn is advises him and trades billions annually in the markets just picked the head of the SEC and head of the EPA...He owns oil and gas businesses...Who are you really kidding about Trump and his crew???..Come on..

Trump hasn't paid taxes in two decades and you are worried about a family member getting food stamps...Bro, come on...


I'm just completely dumbfounded at people trying to make articulate arguments in favor of this guy...

POST OF THE YEAR!!! Bravo 👏🏾

you can't make articulate arguments b/c he is full of sh t with no plans. he's being played like a puppet by multiple parties that have no concern for the american people. folks got caught up in the hustle and couldn't get past their own sh t.


It's just more proof that Bill Maher is right that Americans are STUPID! They fell for Trump's BS and ALL THE EVIDENCE showed he was a LIAR, CHEAT, GREEDY, SELFISH, STUPID, PETTY AND A DANGEROUS man. How could anyone with a reasonable thought process believe Trump was worthy of being given THE MOST important job in the world???

To give Trump of all people the ULTIMATE power is almost unforgivable. I thought Bush was bad enough, but this takes the cake. The most unqualified and undeserving person they could pick. I dare one of his supporters on this forum to defend this guy. Come and make the case for why Trump should be leader of the free world.

Trump voters are a cross section of many groups and not particularly one ideology...Some of these folks are people who felt left out of the "Big City" conversation...This is their way to say FU to the "educated" class..A lot of people got left out of progress the last two decades..Little they know that City folks are in the same boat...Not really Obama's fault but the Democrats didn't deliver the message to the poor and middle class...Obama and his supporters came across a smarty pants elite types who look down on them...Bill Maher types...Repealing the ACA is saying FU to Obama, even if it means many of them losing healthcare coverage...They just out of the frying pan into the fire...Trump and his bandits will rob them blind...You saw the House as their first action tried to do away with the Ethics Office..They want in on the grand fleecing that is about to go down...

Why do you think that all this thing to transpire under Trump is a bad final outcome?
It will bring clarity eater way.

We have majority of the society completely delirious of the REAL problems we have from both sides of the Trump divide.
The main POSITIVE from Trump election is that TRUTH will come up inevitably.
Do you afraid to see it? If not that what is your point?

Because Trump is a class A crook...He has stolen from people and bragged about it..He bribed an Attorney General of Florida..He swindled people in "Trump University"..He prodded Diplomats to use his Hotel in Washington and they are doing it...His friend and adviser hand picked the head of the SEC and EPA...He invest billions in the market and owns Oil and Gas companies...
What do you think will change about him when he gets to the white house...He is lining up his friends in key positions...Who is being naive???

Trump is telling his supporters not to believe the press and they are complying...So what truth are you talking about??..My fear is that we would have lost many gains like Healthcare for 25 million people(8.8 mil signed up since Nov 1st). The Economy, War in the middle east again, climate change, etc...Missing the chance to be the leader in Asia..

The fact is that crime stats have trended down since the passage of the Crime Bill of 94 that was passed under the Clinton administration partly in response to black leaders who wanted stricter enforcement in their neighborhoods since they were being overrun by black crime and drugs, that decline continued thru Bush and President Obama admins but that legislation has now been bashed by many in the last two years as part of the reason for low black family formation. Under President Obama there has been lower imprisonment and legislation was passed regarding differences in sentencing including crack and powder cocaine but the issue of imprisonment for marijuana alone has been proven to be very minimal and claims to other effects proven to be false. President Obama rightfully raised criminal justice reform and biased policing in his second term but that message was received poorly on the streets. Police were accused of receding by many urban communities, there were numerous police shootings and crime rates have ticked up in cities. The sad reality is that blacks still committed more murders in 2016 than any race despite being only 13 % of the population. The other reality is that gangs continue to grow and flourish in many areas across the nation and attacks by extremists still occur especially in western countries so yeh many LAW ABIDING people wanted a law and order president. Rather shallow to pass over the travesty in Chicago and hypocritical not to make black lives lost there a national issue. Do you really think that today's mainstream media is not biased and does not distort and attempt to influence? Good lord, even President Obama has said in interviews that all msm do whether it be NYT and CNN for Dems or the Post and Fox for Pubs but only Trump is nutty enuff to call them out and take them on even though he provides them daily ammunition with his bizarre tweets. I read the Russian hawking unclassified summary that tv channel RT America was delivering Russian propaganda. Seriously? that has been known for years just as other channels are known for other propaganda. The other great revelation was that Putin favored Trump and Kremlin while surprised was celebrating the election results because they thought trump would better fight ISIS with them and have closer business relations. Treason my sss, sign me up for better diplomatic relations with another superpower instead of the detente where we are not even at the discussion table of ceasing genocide in Aleppo though Hillary still thought it was up for grabs. Hope Trump reverses those politically driven Russia sanctions on day one and both countries get back to spying on each other like always. 9mil people signed up for health insurance since November? ACA has been around for nearly seven years , nothing but a rush by the young , poor and insured including my daughter at my urging to be on the books before upcoming changes, preexisting conditions will rightfully be kept but expect small business community to rejoice. President Obama and the Clintons admitted it was flawed so question begs why didn't they refine it. Rather just cote health coverage, the issue should be on affordable healthcare. The economy? Bush certainly focked us up but its been eight long years and we have a slow economy that is still mending. The spin is a 75 months of positive employments but any substantive economist will tell you that creating 156 k at this point is terrible and that our low employment rate is more the result of labor market participation that is historically low and crappy part time jobs. Wage growth and standard of living are still lower than ten years ago but we have certainly made progress on lgbt issues though blacks continue to fall behind in every economic measure during this slow recovery and btw increases in blacks using food stamps and poverty levels should not be stupidly dismissed as a result of President Obama 's tax rates. Instead the discussion and question raised should be why is this still the case given the monies expended and target programs over the last fifty years. Everybody should worry about college affordability but first focus for blacks should be on early school education as academic stats have shown only 5% of black students in hs are proficient nuff in the four subjects to be ready for community college. The issues of school vouchers should be explored more fully because Title 1 has accomplished little and every study from independent educational research shows that money alone has not closed gaps. If private schools are right for President Obama's or Trumps children rather than a DC public than the same should apply to other young blacks. Climate control? Im not a scientist but clean energy seems proper. Finally, Trump is unpresidential and may turn out to be a disaster, his many supporters may regret their vote but they decided that this country needed a sparkplug and that the Dems offered a candidate inferior to President Obama. Biden choose not to run and Dems wrongly assumed demographics had to fall their way. White vote won President Obama his presidency as much as the black vote, white vote lost Hillary her presidency. Calling them racist or dumb is a bit short sighted. Trump is our president in two weeks and I wish him well, he has displayed some intuition reading the landscape but he also flies by the seat of his pants, he has shown that he will not be restrained by being correct or consistent which is somewhat t refreshing but most alarming. Time will tell

I didn't read all of the stuff written because the format is just horrible..But most of the stuff I read was already debated by me and written in another thread..The Crime Bill has already been proven not to have the impact on crime you have stated...

One thing stood out in the above...Politically driven sanctions against Russia???..What politics are you referring to??..Did you miss the invasion of Ukraine and Crimea??..Putin is now your bestie because he is Trump's new BFF???

And do you understand that Russia was part of the Genocide in Aleppo???..Or is that OK when it's a bestie doing the killing???

This is where I stopped reading because it wasn't worth the aggravation sifting thru that mess...You can't be taken seriously...

If you want a serious debate, lets look at the accepted facts and debate them...You can google the crime bill to see it had almost no effect on the crime rate...If you can't at least do that, we are both wasting our time....

Spare me the childishness. Of course you read the entirety of my long post despite any horrible format, parts just don't jive with the default and narrative that prevails here, one that avoids and resents discussion of any failings by blacks or President Obama. Anyway, I assume that you are aware of the recent sanctions on Russian intelligence and ambassadors which were politically inspired Imo as was the recent lecture to Israel by Biden. President Obama had numerous strengths but he and admin mishandled so many foreign issues and failed diplomacies included Crimea and Syria. As you previously said , Iran dictated policy to us while genocide was occurring in Aleppo. Right? Russia, Iran and Turkey sitting around the table deciding Syria's fate with U.S on the sidelines. Good Lord. Being facetious but couldn't President Obama at least tell Putin to cut it out like he did several months ago? As far as the crime rate, what is indisputable is that crime began to fall in absolute numbers immediately after the the crime bill for several years, everyone knows that other inputs always factor. What should be relatively clear is that police presence and crime tend to have a correlation and Chicago is first hand proof and the rhetoric resulted in some retrenchment of policing, increased shootings of police and a uptick in crime. Different prisms, different perspectives. Hope another fifty years don't go by and the same discussions are being had by another generation

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1/8/2017  11:28 AM
Thought of a sequel for 8 mile. Eminem vs. Kelly Ann Conway.
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