meloshouldgo wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Where is Obama tonight when we need him? Making speeches for Hillary?

What would you want him to say or do? The Republicans are always shouting about State's Rights but when ISH goes down they go right to the big government.

Get the F off the street or the army is coming

You think that would make any difference? You think these kids would be watching what politicians say and give a flip? The violence is ridiculous but they aren't doing this in Tulsa because that Police Dept. released the video immediately. In NC they just passed a law that blocks the release of Videos to the public. It's not in effect yet but you can see how this would have a calming effect if they had let the public see what really happened. They do it wrong in NC as they do a lot of things wrong in that state.

These are criminals period

I don't condone the riots. But what do you expect? No justice no peace. African Americans get locked up or murdered regardless if criminal or not. What should the ones doing the rioting fear when the outcome will be the same regardless?

Also noticed not one comment by you over Terrance Crutcher shooting.

Newyork

this is what the female police officer said. "Shelby believed that when Crutcher attempted to reach into the car, he was retrieving a weapon, Wood said. In her interview with homicide detectives, she said, "I was never so scared in my life as in that moment right then," according to Wood.

Go check back in anothjer post about 4 months ago. I said this police stuff is "fear based". I do not believe for one second this lasy left her house this morning intentionally wanting to kill anyone. This man was UI not following direct police officers and walking to his car. The shooting was fear based--she became fearful. Im sure in her heart she didnt want to do what she did--is Trump right did she choke? maybe she did--maybe she wasnt fit for the job. But lets change positions with her--the guy was under the influence kept sticking hisn hand into his pocket and walking away from her when she simply said stop--and said it more than 10 times. Im not condoning this--somoene died but just like Michael Brown who threatened to kick the **** out of a store owner while robbing him and then going after a police officers gun--these people have a hand in their own deaths. and FEAR from the police and you can hear it--FEAR is a HUGE factor. I dont think the majority of cops dislike any creed--but I DO believe they are for the most part SCARED and afraid of AA--

The car window was closed...

Change places with her--Im sure you wouldve been jolly. She is under fight or flight--she fears for her own life. This guy shouldve stopped--not a good idea to make a cop say stop 10 times. Risky business.

Why was it fight or flight? Who was threatening her? The man was alone she had backup. Exactly where was the threat? So people can't move when confronted by the police? Is this a new fukking standard? You want us to switch positions with her. Have you tried switching positions with him? Would you have stopped if you thought you were going to be shot no matter what?

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Where is Obama tonight when we need him? Making speeches for Hillary?

What would you want him to say or do? The Republicans are always shouting about State's Rights but when ISH goes down they go right to the big government.

Get the F off the street or the army is coming

You think that would make any difference? You think these kids would be watching what politicians say and give a flip? The violence is ridiculous but they aren't doing this in Tulsa because that Police Dept. released the video immediately. In NC they just passed a law that blocks the release of Videos to the public. It's not in effect yet but you can see how this would have a calming effect if they had let the public see what really happened. They do it wrong in NC as they do a lot of things wrong in that state.

These are criminals period

I don't condone the riots. But what do you expect? No justice no peace. African Americans get locked up or murdered regardless if criminal or not. What should the ones doing the rioting fear when the outcome will be the same regardless?

Also noticed not one comment by you over Terrance Crutcher shooting.

Newyork

this is what the female police officer said. "Shelby believed that when Crutcher attempted to reach into the car, he was retrieving a weapon, Wood said. In her interview with homicide detectives, she said, "I was never so scared in my life as in that moment right then," according to Wood.

Go check back in anothjer post about 4 months ago. I said this police stuff is "fear based". I do not believe for one second this lasy left her house this morning intentionally wanting to kill anyone. This man was UI not following direct police officers and walking to his car. The shooting was fear based--she became fearful. Im sure in her heart she didnt want to do what she did--is Trump right did she choke? maybe she did--maybe she wasnt fit for the job. But lets change positions with her--the guy was under the influence kept sticking hisn hand into his pocket and walking away from her when she simply said stop--and said it more than 10 times. Im not condoning this--somoene died but just like Michael Brown who threatened to kick the **** out of a store owner while robbing him and then going after a police officers gun--these people have a hand in their own deaths. and FEAR from the police and you can hear it--FEAR is a HUGE factor. I dont think the majority of cops dislike any creed--but I DO believe they are for the most part SCARED and afraid of AA--

The car window was closed...

Change places with her--Im sure you wouldve been jolly. She is under fight or flight--she fears for her own life. This guy shouldve stopped--not a good idea to make a cop say stop 10 times. Risky business.

Oh well, another nigger dead. They sure do love killing themselves and destroying their communities, why shed a tear for this guy, right?

Poor cops. Sorry we scare them so bad.

Easy answer--its easier to say woahs with me rather than looking for an answer to solve a serious issue.

And your answer is get your **** together black people, I have little sympathy for you. Oh and vote Trump.

So all the words and explanations and discussions we have here just go round and round so you can say the same thing and I can concede this point and that point to try to find common ground we will never find.

Oh wow--weak hand--ok give up my man. Nothing can be solved.

Maybe it can be solved, but it sure won't be by this thread. I'm embarrased I've wasted this much time of my precious life on the likes of this dribble you claim is serious discourse. Just throw up a link of black people killing each other every day, because a robbery gone wrong via a dating website is exactly why cops shoot us.

DrAlpheus black on black crime IS a HUGE reason why some police act the way they do/. To refute that is wrong. I just said in my last post that perhaps its come time to think that the cops--or many of them should simply NOT have guns. Isnt that more of a solution than saying well man nothing can be solved here. Thats just one issue--but you can see where Im going. You need to find common grounds to fix issues. I dont have all the answers--but my man either do you.

BRIGGS wrote:You wonder why police are scared of AA?

http://www.cbs46.com/story/33138907/police-man-killed-after-meeting-women-on-plenty-of-fish-dating-site

Thats a pretty bad state of affairs to use POF to lure another AA to your home to rob and kill him. Just horrible. I think black on black crime is the real and honest issue. 3000 shootings in Chicago alone this year--one city 85% AA. This has to stop---trade places with a cop. It doesnt matter of the cop is white black Chinese Spanish--the bottom line and you can hear it in that helicopter guys voice---cops are scared of AA and I believe that is why you see incidents that you see. If they are so willing to kill each other--than why shouldn't everyone else be wary--especially police?

Nixluva you have tunnel vision--you want to look at one area--but refute the root cause.

Of course you feel its black on black crime as the cause. Its the usual narrative. Deflect accountability. "Blacks should get over slavery". Y because whites don't want to feel bad and be held accountable for it. Its black on black crime is the cause of police brutality Y because whites don't want to feel bad and be held accountable for it. And no not all whites but usually the ones in power who influence there kind.

I have heard a brilliant counter argument though. Which states Americans kill more Americans then any terrorist group ever has. So should we fix the American on American killings before we target any terrorist groups?

Dude that set off bombs in NY was in a shoot out with Police officers. He was captured alive. I guess they weren't scared enough of a bomb terrorist who was actively shooting at police to kill him as quick as an unarmed black man. Or the dude that shot up the church who was brought to McDonald to eat something. No fear of a mass murderer.

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Where is Obama tonight when we need him? Making speeches for Hillary?

What would you want him to say or do? The Republicans are always shouting about State's Rights but when ISH goes down they go right to the big government.

Get the F off the street or the army is coming

You think that would make any difference? You think these kids would be watching what politicians say and give a flip? The violence is ridiculous but they aren't doing this in Tulsa because that Police Dept. released the video immediately. In NC they just passed a law that blocks the release of Videos to the public. It's not in effect yet but you can see how this would have a calming effect if they had let the public see what really happened. They do it wrong in NC as they do a lot of things wrong in that state.

These are criminals period

I don't condone the riots. But what do you expect? No justice no peace. African Americans get locked up or murdered regardless if criminal or not. What should the ones doing the rioting fear when the outcome will be the same regardless?

Also noticed not one comment by you over Terrance Crutcher shooting.

Newyork

this is what the female police officer said. "Shelby believed that when Crutcher attempted to reach into the car, he was retrieving a weapon, Wood said. In her interview with homicide detectives, she said, "I was never so scared in my life as in that moment right then," according to Wood.

Go check back in anothjer post about 4 months ago. I said this police stuff is "fear based". I do not believe for one second this lasy left her house this morning intentionally wanting to kill anyone. This man was UI not following direct police officers and walking to his car. The shooting was fear based--she became fearful. Im sure in her heart she didnt want to do what she did--is Trump right did she choke? maybe she did--maybe she wasnt fit for the job. But lets change positions with her--the guy was under the influence kept sticking hisn hand into his pocket and walking away from her when she simply said stop--and said it more than 10 times. Im not condoning this--somoene died but just like Michael Brown who threatened to kick the **** out of a store owner while robbing him and then going after a police officers gun--these people have a hand in their own deaths. and FEAR from the police and you can hear it--FEAR is a HUGE factor. I dont think the majority of cops dislike any creed--but I DO believe they are for the most part SCARED and afraid of AA--

The car window was closed...

Change places with her--Im sure you wouldve been jolly. She is under fight or flight--she fears for her own life. This guy shouldve stopped--not a good idea to make a cop say stop 10 times. Risky business.

Maybe I'm wrong but I'm thinking in 2016, police officers are going through rigorous training around this very issue...How and why are they fearful for their lives with a guy walking away from them with his hands up???..If that's case then they have no business being police officers..They have to know they can't handle a position that might just require that you encounter a black man one day...It is totally absurd to think an individual is in a fight or flight mode with 5 officers around him or her with their guns drawn and helicopter above on an unarmed man...Did this guy call because his car was broken down??..What were they expecting when they got there??..If he is white then it's all good??, If blacks then it's a scene from Guns of Navarone???..I don't understand how you can even attempt to defend these actions...Your approach isn't even balanced, you are in excuse mode to defend officers actions against blacks no matter what the circumstances...

Honestly, I don't know the situation in Tulsa with this guy and I'm very happy to let an investigation play out and reserve judgement on both the dead motorist and the cops who engaged with him. As I said before, I respect the apparent transparency of the police chief in the aftermath.

But there was something about the copter cop saying he looks like "a real bad dude" that really ticked me off. Reminds me of the leaked "who are the bad guys" conversation of those transit cops.

Sounds like prejudice to me — pre-judging people they are interacting with. Maybe the guy was having a stroke or some sort of disorientation. BRIGGS says he was under the influence, has toxicology reports even come back yet? But even if he was drunk and acting weird, that doesn't deserve a death sentence.

I can't trade places with these cops because it is not a job I would ever want, I have no problem saying that. But I don't want to be shot because something thinks that my race, sex, age and height makes me a threat. Because of some weird Plenty of Fish murder? BRIGGS you just don't make as much sense as you think you do.

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Where is Obama tonight when we need him? Making speeches for Hillary?

What would you want him to say or do? The Republicans are always shouting about State's Rights but when ISH goes down they go right to the big government.

Get the F off the street or the army is coming

You think that would make any difference? You think these kids would be watching what politicians say and give a flip? The violence is ridiculous but they aren't doing this in Tulsa because that Police Dept. released the video immediately. In NC they just passed a law that blocks the release of Videos to the public. It's not in effect yet but you can see how this would have a calming effect if they had let the public see what really happened. They do it wrong in NC as they do a lot of things wrong in that state.

These are criminals period

I don't condone the riots. But what do you expect? No justice no peace. African Americans get locked up or murdered regardless if criminal or not. What should the ones doing the rioting fear when the outcome will be the same regardless?

Also noticed not one comment by you over Terrance Crutcher shooting.

Newyork

this is what the female police officer said. "Shelby believed that when Crutcher attempted to reach into the car, he was retrieving a weapon, Wood said. In her interview with homicide detectives, she said, "I was never so scared in my life as in that moment right then," according to Wood.

Go check back in anothjer post about 4 months ago. I said this police stuff is "fear based". I do not believe for one second this lasy left her house this morning intentionally wanting to kill anyone. This man was UI not following direct police officers and walking to his car. The shooting was fear based--she became fearful. Im sure in her heart she didnt want to do what she did--is Trump right did she choke? maybe she did--maybe she wasnt fit for the job. But lets change positions with her--the guy was under the influence kept sticking hisn hand into his pocket and walking away from her when she simply said stop--and said it more than 10 times. Im not condoning this--somoene died but just like Michael Brown who threatened to kick the **** out of a store owner while robbing him and then going after a police officers gun--these people have a hand in their own deaths. and FEAR from the police and you can hear it--FEAR is a HUGE factor. I dont think the majority of cops dislike any creed--but I DO believe they are for the most part SCARED and afraid of AA--

The car window was closed...

Change places with her--Im sure you wouldve been jolly. She is under fight or flight--she fears for her own life. This guy shouldve stopped--not a good idea to make a cop say stop 10 times. Risky business.

Oh well, another nigger dead. They sure do love killing themselves and destroying their communities, why shed a tear for this guy, right?

Poor cops. Sorry we scare them so bad.

Easy answer--its easier to say woahs with me rather than looking for an answer to solve a serious issue.

And your answer is get your **** together black people, I have little sympathy for you. Oh and vote Trump.

So all the words and explanations and discussions we have here just go round and round so you can say the same thing and I can concede this point and that point to try to find common ground we will never find.

Oh wow--weak hand--ok give up my man. Nothing can be solved.

Maybe it can be solved, but it sure won't be by this thread. I'm embarrased I've wasted this much time of my precious life on the likes of this dribble you claim is serious discourse. Just throw up a link of black people killing each other every day, because a robbery gone wrong via a dating website is exactly why cops shoot us.

DrAlpheus black on black crime IS a HUGE reason why some police act the way they do/. To refute that is wrong. I just said in my last post that perhaps its come time to think that the cops--or many of them should simply NOT have guns. Isnt that more of a solution than saying well man nothing can be solved here. Thats just one issue--but you can see where Im going. You need to find common grounds to fix issues. I dont have all the answers--but my man either do you.

BRIGGS — Crime period is why cops have jobs in the first place. So why does the *race* of the people doing the crime have anything to do with it? If crime scares you so that you can't fairly do that job, being a cop is probably a bad choice.

holfresh wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Where is Obama tonight when we need him? Making speeches for Hillary?

What would you want him to say or do? The Republicans are always shouting about State's Rights but when ISH goes down they go right to the big government.

Get the F off the street or the army is coming

You think that would make any difference? You think these kids would be watching what politicians say and give a flip? The violence is ridiculous but they aren't doing this in Tulsa because that Police Dept. released the video immediately. In NC they just passed a law that blocks the release of Videos to the public. It's not in effect yet but you can see how this would have a calming effect if they had let the public see what really happened. They do it wrong in NC as they do a lot of things wrong in that state.

These are criminals period

I don't condone the riots. But what do you expect? No justice no peace. African Americans get locked up or murdered regardless if criminal or not. What should the ones doing the rioting fear when the outcome will be the same regardless?

Also noticed not one comment by you over Terrance Crutcher shooting.

Newyork

this is what the female police officer said. "Shelby believed that when Crutcher attempted to reach into the car, he was retrieving a weapon, Wood said. In her interview with homicide detectives, she said, "I was never so scared in my life as in that moment right then," according to Wood.

Go check back in anothjer post about 4 months ago. I said this police stuff is "fear based". I do not believe for one second this lasy left her house this morning intentionally wanting to kill anyone. This man was UI not following direct police officers and walking to his car. The shooting was fear based--she became fearful. Im sure in her heart she didnt want to do what she did--is Trump right did she choke? maybe she did--maybe she wasnt fit for the job. But lets change positions with her--the guy was under the influence kept sticking hisn hand into his pocket and walking away from her when she simply said stop--and said it more than 10 times. Im not condoning this--somoene died but just like Michael Brown who threatened to kick the **** out of a store owner while robbing him and then going after a police officers gun--these people have a hand in their own deaths. and FEAR from the police and you can hear it--FEAR is a HUGE factor. I dont think the majority of cops dislike any creed--but I DO believe they are for the most part SCARED and afraid of AA--

The car window was closed...

Change places with her--Im sure you wouldve been jolly. She is under fight or flight--she fears for her own life. This guy shouldve stopped--not a good idea to make a cop say stop 10 times. Risky business.

Maybe I'm wrong but I'm thinking in 2016, police officers are going through rigorous training around this very issue...How and why are they fearful for their lives with a guy walking away from them with his hands up???..If that's case then they have no business being police officers..They have to know they can't handle a position that might just require that you encounter a black man one day...It is totally absurd to think an individual is in a fight or flight mode with 5 officers around him or her with their guns drawn and helicopter above on an unarmed man...Did this guy call because his car was broken down??..What were they expecting when they got there??..If he is white then it's all good??, If blacks then it's a scene from Guns of Navarone???..I don't understand how you can even attempt to defend these actions...Your approach isn't even balanced, you are in excuse mode to defend officers actions against blacks no matter what the circumstances...

Honestly, I don't know the situation in Tulsa with this guy and I'm very happy to let an investigation play out and reserve judgement on both the dead motorist and the cops who engaged with him. As I said before, I respect the apparent transparency of the police chief in the aftermath.

But there was something about the copter cop saying he looks like "a real bad dude" that really ticked me off. Reminds me of the leaked "who are the bad guys" conversation of those transit cops.

Sounds like prejudice to me — pre-judging people they are interacting with. Maybe the guy was having a stroke or some sort of disorientation. BRIGGS says he was under the influence, has toxicology reports even come back yet? But even if he was drunk and acting weird, that doesn't deserve a death sentence.

I can't trade places with these cops because it is not a job I would ever want, I have no problem saying that. But I don't want to be shot because something thinks that my race, sex, age and height makes me a threat. Because of some weird Plenty of Fish murder? BRIGGS you just don't make as much sense as you think you do.

But so what if he was drunk or high on something?? Even more reason to think he won't respond quickly to your commands..You even have more of an upper hand because they can't respond quickly..Are we shooting drunk/high people now at first glance??..Did I miss the memo??

Exactly. How many cops on the ground with a copter in the sky and the professionals are all looking at this guy like he's a "real bad dude" on PCP ready to hulk out on them, because... well you see what they do to each other. Savages.

But yea BRIGGS I'm the dude who is all emotional with weak arguments. Sorry about that, and for scaring cops, again.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Where is Obama tonight when we need him? Making speeches for Hillary?

What would you want him to say or do? The Republicans are always shouting about State's Rights but when ISH goes down they go right to the big government.

Get the F off the street or the army is coming

You think that would make any difference? You think these kids would be watching what politicians say and give a flip? The violence is ridiculous but they aren't doing this in Tulsa because that Police Dept. released the video immediately. In NC they just passed a law that blocks the release of Videos to the public. It's not in effect yet but you can see how this would have a calming effect if they had let the public see what really happened. They do it wrong in NC as they do a lot of things wrong in that state.

These are criminals period

I don't condone the riots. But what do you expect? No justice no peace. African Americans get locked up or murdered regardless if criminal or not. What should the ones doing the rioting fear when the outcome will be the same regardless?

Also noticed not one comment by you over Terrance Crutcher shooting.

Newyork

this is what the female police officer said. "Shelby believed that when Crutcher attempted to reach into the car, he was retrieving a weapon, Wood said. In her interview with homicide detectives, she said, "I was never so scared in my life as in that moment right then," according to Wood.

Go check back in anothjer post about 4 months ago. I said this police stuff is "fear based". I do not believe for one second this lasy left her house this morning intentionally wanting to kill anyone. This man was UI not following direct police officers and walking to his car. The shooting was fear based--she became fearful. Im sure in her heart she didnt want to do what she did--is Trump right did she choke? maybe she did--maybe she wasnt fit for the job. But lets change positions with her--the guy was under the influence kept sticking hisn hand into his pocket and walking away from her when she simply said stop--and said it more than 10 times. Im not condoning this--somoene died but just like Michael Brown who threatened to kick the **** out of a store owner while robbing him and then going after a police officers gun--these people have a hand in their own deaths. and FEAR from the police and you can hear it--FEAR is a HUGE factor. I dont think the majority of cops dislike any creed--but I DO believe they are for the most part SCARED and afraid of AA--

The car window was closed...

Change places with her--Im sure you wouldve been jolly. She is under fight or flight--she fears for her own life. This guy shouldve stopped--not a good idea to make a cop say stop 10 times. Risky business.

Oh well, another nigger dead. They sure do love killing themselves and destroying their communities, why shed a tear for this guy, right?

Poor cops. Sorry we scare them so bad.

Easy answer--its easier to say woahs with me rather than looking for an answer to solve a serious issue.

And your answer is get your **** together black people, I have little sympathy for you. Oh and vote Trump.

So all the words and explanations and discussions we have here just go round and round so you can say the same thing and I can concede this point and that point to try to find common ground we will never find.

Oh wow--weak hand--ok give up my man. Nothing can be solved.

Maybe it can be solved, but it sure won't be by this thread. I'm embarrased I've wasted this much time of my precious life on the likes of this dribble you claim is serious discourse. Just throw up a link of black people killing each other every day, because a robbery gone wrong via a dating website is exactly why cops shoot us.

DrAlpheus black on black crime IS a HUGE reason why some police act the way they do/. To refute that is wrong. I just said in my last post that perhaps its come time to think that the cops--or many of them should simply NOT have guns. Isnt that more of a solution than saying well man nothing can be solved here. Thats just one issue--but you can see where Im going. You need to find common grounds to fix issues. I dont have all the answers--but my man either do you.

BRIGGS — Crime period is why cops have jobs in the first place. So why does the *race* of the people doing the crime have anything to do with it? If crime scares you so that you can't fairly do that job, being a cop is probably a bad choice.

Just thinking out loud.

holfresh wrote:More police shootings, More protest, More pain...North Carolina overnight...Some people are experiencing their own form of terrorism..Can the candidates address that??

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/SarahBlakeWBTV/status/778359782700908545

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/09/21/protests-break-out-in-charlotte-after-police-fatally-shoot-man-they-say-wielded-firearm/

So the police will now have a private viewing of the video of the shooting with the victim's family..They now said the video doesn't show the victim pointing a gun to the police as was reported..Question is, did he even have a gun???

I'm not sure you ever acknowledged my responses. Which is fine. But if you are actually interested in serious discourse, reset this thread by starting there.

Or you can do what you continue to do and say "Obama has done nothing". 50-something-frigging pages later, same crap.

"Obama has done nothing" is categorically, absolutely false. Has he done enough? is a question someone interested in serious discourse might ask. But nope, you love hyperbole.

So when you post an article of some unrelated robbery-murder and point to the race of the people involved as some sort of explanation why cops shoot black people, I'm sorry, the gloves are coming off. Sure I can put myself in the place of a cop as one human can for another. But you are saying that black people get killed extrajudicially because of the crime in our communities, offering some weaksauce apology for an armed peace officer being scared of big black guys. Do you actually think I like the crime in my community or in any?

I wish we lived in a world with no cops, no military, no violence. But violence was here before I was born, and will be there after I die. This thread isn't going to solve that issue. Your train of thought is full of magical thinking and non-sequitars. If our "black leaders" go hat in hand to Big Daddy Trump and say "Help us clean up our communities, you are our only hope!" — that's gonna finally bring peace in the valley? Come on. Do better or just give it a rest.

I'm cool with disarming cops if that's a solution, so sure... common ground there. But I'm really trying to highlight your logic or lack thereof about all of these things we are talking about.

nixluva wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:BRIGGS if you want to say I am copping out and not interested in serious discourse, your choice. Take a look at the first two pages of this thread and my initial responses to your OP. I conceded to many of your points about Clinton there and throughout this thread. I consider myself a thoughtful and fair person.

I'm not sure you ever acknowledged my responses. Which is fine. But if you are actually interested in serious discourse, reset this thread by starting there.

Or you can do what you continue to do and say "Obama has done nothing". 50-something-frigging pages later, same crap.

"Obama has done nothing" is categorically, absolutely false. Has he done enough? is a question someone interested in serious discourse might ask. But nope, you love hyperbole.

So when you post an article of some unrelated robbery-murder and point to the race of the people involved as some sort of explanation why cops shoot black people, I'm sorry, the gloves are coming off. Sure I can put myself in the place of a cop as one human can for another. But you are saying that black people get killed because of the crime in our communities. Do you actually think I like the crime in my community or in any?

I wish we lived in a world with no cops, no military, no violence. But violence was here before I was born, and will be there after I die. This thread isn't going to solve that issue. Your train of thought is full of magical thinking and non-sequitars. Do better or just give it a rest.

Just to address this Black Crime issue, I posted this earlier to fight this MYTH that Black Crime is some kind of outsized issue in America and that Black on Black Crime is some unique Racial phenomenon.

5 Facts That Shatter the Myth of ‘Black-on-Black’ CrimeC. Robert Gibson | December 29, 2015
The next time you hear someone say “black-on-black crime”, show them this.

Whenever a tragedy like the non-indictment of 12-year-old Tamir Rice’s killers happens, the racists inevitably come out to do battle with activists posting indignant Facebook statuses, eager to deflect attention to police officers killing black children to the specter of “black-on-black crime.”

However, “black-on-black crime” is a loaded term meant to enable racists, cementing the idea in people’s heads that the real problem isn’t the judicial system and law enforcement disproportionately targeting black people for arrest/incarceration/lethal force, but black people killing each other. It affirms the erroneous viewpoint that everyone has equal opportunity in society, and that the only reason black people are so disenfranchised is due to their own behavior.

Here are 5 facts that prove white-on-white crime is actually the real problem, and that anyone trying to make “black-on-black crime” a major issue is just a racist looking for positive reinforcement of their prejudiced worldview.

1. 84 PERCENT OF WHITE MURDER VICTIMS WERE WHITE
The FBI’s homicide statistics, rallying murders for the 28 years between 1980 and 2008, don’t lie. An overwhelming majority of homicides were carried out by white people, against other white people. Even though the ratio of black homicides against black victims is greater, the number of white murderers far exceeds the number of black murderers. The fact that no media outlet will say the words “white-on-white murder” despite this statistic shows a desire to bend words to confirm racist viewpoints.

FBI homicide statistics, 2011

2. WHITES KILL MORE WHITES THAN BLACK PEOPLE KILL EACH OTHER
In 2011, the most recent year for which data is available, 2,630 white people killed 3,172 white people, according to FBI homicide statistics. When comparing that to the black population, in which 2,447 African-Americans murdered 2,695 of their own, white-on-white murder is clearly the bigger issue.

3. WHITE PEOPLE COMMIT MORE CRIMES THAN ANY OTHER RACE
White people are the largest demographic in the United States, and as a result, commit more crimes than any other race, largely against other white people. 2010 crime statistics from the FBI confirm that whites lead blacks by 2-1 in arrests, and lead all other ethnicities by 2-1 in incidents of forcible rape (66.3 percent of rapes were committed by whites, while 31 percent were committed by blacks). White people also lead black people by 2-1 in larceny-theft: 64.8 percent of thieves are white, while only 31.9 percent of thieves are black.

4. WHITE PEOPLE KILL MORE MEMBERS OF VULNERABLE POPULATIONS THAN ANY OTHER RACE
Vulnerable populations are generally defined as children and the elderly. Family members and significant others are also often targets of homicide, rather than random victims. FBI homicide statistics from 1980 to 2008 show that white people are, by the numbers, far more likely to kill children and the elderly than any other race. Additionally, white people commit more sex-related and gang-related homicides than any other race.

FBI homicide statistics, 1980-2008

5. GANG MURDERS ARE MOST COMMON AMONG WHITE GANGS
While a lot of attention has been given to the gang-related homicides in Chicago’s predominantly-black South side, very little press has been devoted to covering the epidemic of white-on-white gangland murders. As the above chart demonstrates, the majority of gang-related homicides are committed by white people (53.3 percent white, 42.2 percent black), and the majority of white gang murder victims are also white (56.5 percent white, 40 percent black). Have this fact handy the next time someone bemoans “black-on-black” gang violence.

There are charts in the original article: http://usuncut.com/black-lives-matter/black-on-black-crime/

Thanks nix. Pearls before swine I fear.