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smackeddog
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8/10/2022  4:04 PM

“…And the best bit is their contracts last forever!”
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8/10/2022  5:49 PM
smackeddog wrote:

“…And the best bit is their contracts last forever!”

PTSD… engage!

Oh good lord... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XkmGrX7O0lQ
Clean
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8/10/2022  6:14 PM

Add to that all the former Knicks he hires. Like I said a few weeks ago Dolan does not get enough credit for the good he does because he is the perfect boogieman for their lolknicks reporting.
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8/10/2022  7:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/10/2022  7:12 PM
Clean wrote:

Add to that all the former Knicks he hires. Like I said a few weeks ago Dolan does not get enough credit for the good he does because he is the perfect boogieman for their lolknicks reporting.

The problem with Dolan is I don’t think winning is his number #1 priority. Making money from raising ticket prices and loyalty are his two higher priorities. Whereas winning can require both overspending and being more cutthroat than Dolan has been in the past. Dolan isn’t a victim of LolKnicks he made his bed in the past. Leon Rose being a major part of orchestrating that if you pay attention to Dolan’s history with CAA NBA players clients, the Knicks staff, and Chase bank.

With that said the Knicks are in a really good place in their rebuild that started a long time ago with Phil Jackson. It took a while but Lolknicks isn’t deserved anymore. The dysfunction around this team is minimal in the grand scheme of things. Also, Dolan isn’t any worse than the majority of NBA team owners and this is just a sign of that.

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8/11/2022  8:27 AM
You paint Dolan in different manner. Pehraps you speak of dolan in the past?

The money part is hard to say he put its over winning. I don’t recall him not spending to get a player or beef up the staff. Staying out of tax area matters until your contending. Coincidentally winning boosts ratings and more money to follow.
All owners are in this to turn a profit. Its a business. An entertainment business. I agree the rebiould started in ernest with phil making the Starphuch era a bygone element. It has yet to execute well.
Loyalty is an issue and it has not always helped. Steve Mills is a quality exec and his role post ISiah would have been ok had Dolan not gone after phil. With a short window and to fix things and not being a basketball person his post Phil era was Doomed. Perry was a good hire by him, but for reasons well documented Mills did not make it work or have Dolans confidence with a longer vision.

The CAA thing. Its often mentioned but I dont’t see it other than Leon and all that he bought over. Naturally the Brunsons are part of that “family’ But we talked about it for a long time. CAA also has huge entertainment business and if you look at the properties in MSG its not bad to have good relations with them but it never translated to steering players our way.

I agree, bottom line is this FO is buttoned up nice these days and the future looks good. Not great but solid vs. the dysfunction of what we had in the past. So for that Im grateful.

Reality is Owners sign the checks and Dolan hired Leon to be prudent with assets and he seems to be methodical and disciplined in the approach. No short cuts to greatness unless lady luck smiles on us.
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8/11/2022  9:57 AM
ToddTT wrote:
smackeddog wrote:

“…And the best bit is their contracts last forever!”

PTSD… engage!

Ugh…from the early stretch of 20 years in the desert. Traded Glen Rice for them right whom we got after trading Patrick. Just indicative of having no real vision or plan. Critics of the current regime who get pissed over the reasoned rebuild should be put in the hot tub time machine and brought back to watch those teams play.

And yeah good for Dolan for letting Leon and Co. run the show without interference.
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8/11/2022  1:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/11/2022  1:39 PM
I've got no qualms with Dolan since he's recused himself from basketball operations, post-Isiah/Walsh. I appreciate the focus on former Knicks relations (Oakley excluded...). Love seeing Spree back in the fold, LJ/Starks/etc.

smackeddog wrote:

“…And the best bit is their contracts last forever!”


God damn it...going to have nightmares of Trandon Eisleyspoon tonight. Going to take some big time hope in Lavar Postell to get me through it.
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8/11/2022  1:54 PM
No Mardy Collins love?
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8/11/2022  5:03 PM
I do think there’s a chance, if the Nets trade KD for a good player plus several unprotected picks, then Irving and Seth Curry to LA for Westbrook and a two firsts, they then flip all those picks plus Simmons to Utah for Mitchell (they even have his buddy Royce o’neal). Cam Johnson, plus Mikal Bridges plus salary and a host of the Suns future firsts unprotected could be the key (because future suns picks could be high once CP3 and KD have aged/retired and all that’s left is Booker)

PG- D-Mitch/ Patty Mills
SG- Joe Harris
SF- Mikal Bridges/ Royce O’Neal
PF- Cam Johnson/ TJ Warren
C- Claxton

Has potential.
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8/11/2022  9:06 PM
wargames wrote:
Clean wrote:

Add to that all the former Knicks he hires. Like I said a few weeks ago Dolan does not get enough credit for the good he does because he is the perfect boogieman for their lolknicks reporting.

The problem with Dolan is I don’t think winning is his number #1 priority. Making money from raising ticket prices and loyalty are his two higher priorities. Whereas winning can require both overspending and being more cutthroat than Dolan has been in the past. Dolan isn’t a victim of LolKnicks he made his bed in the past. Leon Rose being a major part of orchestrating that if you pay attention to Dolan’s history with CAA NBA players clients, the Knicks staff, and Chase bank.

With that said the Knicks are in a really good place in their rebuild that started a long time ago with Phil Jackson. It took a while but Lolknicks isn’t deserved anymore. The dysfunction around this team is minimal in the grand scheme of things. Also, Dolan isn’t any worse than the majority of NBA team owners and this is just a sign of that.

This thread doesn’t need a “problem with Dolan” counter. We can simply approve the hiring practices and leave it at that.

You know I gonna spin wit it
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8/12/2022  8:50 AM
smackeddog wrote:I do think there’s a chance, if the Nets trade KD for a good player plus several unprotected picks, then Irving and Seth Curry to LA for Westbrook and a two firsts, they then flip all those picks plus Simmons to Utah for Mitchell (they even have his buddy Royce o’neal). Cam Johnson, plus Mikal Bridges plus salary and a host of the Suns future firsts unprotected could be the key (because future suns picks could be high once CP3 and KD have aged/retired and all that’s left is Booker)

PG- D-Mitch/ Patty Mills
SG- Joe Harris
SF- Mikal Bridges/ Royce O’Neal
PF- Cam Johnson/ TJ Warren
C- Claxton

Has potential.

That's actually would be genius on the parts of the Nets. However. if they wanted to go after Mitchell, I think they would need to trade KD to the Raptors (who would send matching pieces and 4 draft pickts). They could then trade off some of the raptor players for addition picks to send the Celtics for Mitchell. If they move Kyrie that would give them even more draft picks. Then they would have Mitchell, Simmmons, and whatever draft picks are left over from the Harden/Kyrie/KD trade to try and add to that roster.

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8/12/2022  10:53 AM
wargames wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I do think there’s a chance, if the Nets trade KD for a good player plus several unprotected picks, then Irving and Seth Curry to LA for Westbrook and a two firsts, they then flip all those picks plus Simmons to Utah for Mitchell (they even have his buddy Royce o’neal). Cam Johnson, plus Mikal Bridges plus salary and a host of the Suns future firsts unprotected could be the key (because future suns picks could be high once CP3 and KD have aged/retired and all that’s left is Booker)

PG- D-Mitch/ Patty Mills
SG- Joe Harris
SF- Mikal Bridges/ Royce O’Neal
PF- Cam Johnson/ TJ Warren
C- Claxton

Has potential.

That's actually would be genius on the parts of the Nets. However. if they wanted to go after Mitchell, I think they would need to trade KD to the Raptors (who would send matching pieces and 4 draft pickts). They could then trade off some of the raptor players for addition picks to send the Celtics for Mitchell. If they move Kyrie that would give them even more draft picks. Then they would have Mitchell, Simmmons, and whatever draft picks are left over from the Harden/Kyrie/KD trade to try and add to that roster.

From Utah's perspective, I think they would still value Knicks picks over Raptors picks. Also, Simmons would be undesirable. They're trying to tank and they would be forced to play Simmons just to rebuild his value. Also, I think they've made it known that they don't want to take in any long-term salaray. From Brooklyn's perspective, I could absolutely see them trying to pull something like this off.

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8/12/2022  12:47 PM
martin wrote:No Mardy Collins love?

Mardy Collins is a rich man's Frank Williams - which as you know is as high of a compliment there is!
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8/12/2022  1:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/12/2022  1:27 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
wargames wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I do think there’s a chance, if the Nets trade KD for a good player plus several unprotected picks, then Irving and Seth Curry to LA for Westbrook and a two firsts, they then flip all those picks plus Simmons to Utah for Mitchell (they even have his buddy Royce o’neal). Cam Johnson, plus Mikal Bridges plus salary and a host of the Suns future firsts unprotected could be the key (because future suns picks could be high once CP3 and KD have aged/retired and all that’s left is Booker)

PG- D-Mitch/ Patty Mills
SG- Joe Harris
SF- Mikal Bridges/ Royce O’Neal
PF- Cam Johnson/ TJ Warren
C- Claxton

Has potential.

That's actually would be genius on the parts of the Nets. However. if they wanted to go after Mitchell, I think they would need to trade KD to the Raptors (who would send matching pieces and 4 draft pickts). They could then trade off some of the raptor players for addition picks to send the Celtics for Mitchell. If they move Kyrie that would give them even more draft picks. Then they would have Mitchell, Simmmons, and whatever draft picks are left over from the Harden/Kyrie/KD trade to try and add to that roster.

From Utah's perspective, I think they would still value Knicks picks over Raptors picks. Also, Simmons would be undesirable. They're trying to tank and they would be forced to play Simmons just to rebuild his value. Also, I think they've made it known that they don't want to take in any long-term salaray. From Brooklyn's perspective, I could absolutely see them trying to pull something like this off.

I think Simmons on a tanking team makes sense- they have to spend the salary on something, plus, either he sucks and helps them tank or he plays well in which case they can move him for picks (or keep him to build around).

Nets seem to love trumping us- even in really petty areas like signing Mike James a season or two ago when we were about to do so- so they'd get extra delight from snatching D-Mitch
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8/12/2022  2:36 PM
Nalod don't laugh at nets as even in their "failure" the last few years they had a better record than us!
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8/15/2022  10:29 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/15/2022  10:29 AM
wargames wrote:
Clean wrote:

Add to that all the former Knicks he hires. Like I said a few weeks ago Dolan does not get enough credit for the good he does because he is the perfect boogieman for their lolknicks reporting.

The problem with Dolan is I don’t think winning is his number #1 priority. Making money from raising ticket prices and loyalty are his two higher priorities. Whereas winning can require both overspending and being more cutthroat than Dolan has been in the past. Dolan isn’t a victim of LolKnicks he made his bed in the past. Leon Rose being a major part of orchestrating that if you pay attention to Dolan’s history with CAA NBA players clients, the Knicks staff, and Chase bank.

With that said the Knicks are in a really good place in their rebuild that started a long time ago with Phil Jackson. It took a while but Lolknicks isn’t deserved anymore. The dysfunction around this team is minimal in the grand scheme of things. Also, Dolan isn’t any worse than the majority of NBA team owners and this is just a sign of that.

I agree that was the case certainly up until a few years ago. Dolan cared more about having a team good enough to be one and done in the playoffs just so the garden could have the same energy it had in the 90’s and it would be the hot hangout for A-list celebrities so he could raise ticket prices


Dolan learned his lesson in the mid-2010’s with the Knicks being horrible with no hope for a several year stretch. He hired Perry and Rose and gave them the keys and is allowing them to build the right way through the draft. Dolan circa 2005 would have given Porzingis a max extension, signed Derozier to a max and traded the entire roster plus 10x firsts for Mitchell
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8/15/2022  10:35 AM
smackeddog wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
wargames wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I do think there’s a chance, if the Nets trade KD for a good player plus several unprotected picks, then Irving and Seth Curry to LA for Westbrook and a two firsts, they then flip all those picks plus Simmons to Utah for Mitchell (they even have his buddy Royce o’neal). Cam Johnson, plus Mikal Bridges plus salary and a host of the Suns future firsts unprotected could be the key (because future suns picks could be high once CP3 and KD have aged/retired and all that’s left is Booker)

PG- D-Mitch/ Patty Mills
SG- Joe Harris
SF- Mikal Bridges/ Royce O’Neal
PF- Cam Johnson/ TJ Warren
C- Claxton

Has potential.

That's actually would be genius on the parts of the Nets. However. if they wanted to go after Mitchell, I think they would need to trade KD to the Raptors (who would send matching pieces and 4 draft pickts). They could then trade off some of the raptor players for addition picks to send the Celtics for Mitchell. If they move Kyrie that would give them even more draft picks. Then they would have Mitchell, Simmmons, and whatever draft picks are left over from the Harden/Kyrie/KD trade to try and add to that roster.

From Utah's perspective, I think they would still value Knicks picks over Raptors picks. Also, Simmons would be undesirable. They're trying to tank and they would be forced to play Simmons just to rebuild his value. Also, I think they've made it known that they don't want to take in any long-term salaray. From Brooklyn's perspective, I could absolutely see them trying to pull something like this off.

I think Simmons on a tanking team makes sense- they have to spend the salary on something, plus, either he sucks and helps them tank or he plays well in which case they can move him for picks (or keep him to build around).

Nets seem to love trumping us- even in really petty areas like signing Mike James a season or two ago when we were about to do so- so they'd get extra delight from snatching D-Mitch

Been saying this. I think KD is ending up in Utah with Mitch on the nets. Utah is the perfect spot for KD. Small western conference market. Their fanbase is actually more intense than most tiny uncaring fanbases in the West but KD will love being away from the spotlight.
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8/15/2022  12:24 PM
Ben Simmons to Utah actually makes sense...for Simmons.

If this young man is serious about his NBA career, a move to the Jazz where the media spotlight doesn't shine as bright, could be his best move to improve his image....and if the goal for Ainge is to completely TANK 2022 season, he could just ask Simmons to sit out the season due to his recent back surgery.

I don't believe a backcourt of Irving/Mitchell would work so the Nets will still have to move Irving, but maybe with Mitchell on hand, they can convince Durant to stick around. And if they can't, building around Mitchell is a great alternative.
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Swishfm3 wrote:Ben Simmons to Utah actually makes sense...for Simmons.

If this young man is serious about his NBA career, a move to the Jazz where the media spotlight doesn't shine as bright, could be his best move to improve his image....and if the goal for Ainge is to completely TANK 2022 season, he could just ask Simmons to sit out the season due to his recent back surgery.

I don't believe a backcourt of Irving/Mitchell would work so the Nets will still have to move Irving, but maybe with Mitchell on hand, they can convince Durant to stick around. And if they can't, building around Mitchell is a great alternative.

I agree, Utah could be a good fit for Simmons. Still dont get the unwillingness to develop a reliable jumper. Maybe he wouldnt freeze up like he did, if he had more weapons in his arsenal, so to speak. He's talked the talk about his game, in the past. Hope for his sake, he works on backing it up on the court.
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