martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

wargames wrote:It came out that Obi worked out for the Knicks so we now know they worked out both Kira and Obi.

I'd be surprised if Thibs had Obi ranked that high, but he might see enough to make him think his defense is workable. I'm having a hard time seeing it tho. Obi's defense is like Covid. Once it infects you're team defense, it corrodes it at every level.

I don't like Obi long term for the Knicks but here is another angle: At pick 8 Obi may be very good value. Think of the value that Channing Frye had for a hot minute when he was a rookie, only more athletic. Obi may be the most ready to contribute for all of the rookies and, given the chance, will put up offensive numbers.

Then, when value goes up, you trade him.

Good point. Channing was performing at a historic level for a stretch in his rookie year, during an era when centers had more value. Obi might catch fire like that. I can also see Obi becoming another Derrick Williams, a comp that isn't as far off as you might think, where he just ends up becoming a sunk cost. Obi could also end up becoming MPJ, another guy whose offense is negated by historically bad levels of defense. I'd be OK with that outcome, I guess. At pick 14 it's a good gamble. At pick 8, I might want a little a more stability from a prospect

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

wargames wrote:It came out that Obi worked out for the Knicks so we now know they worked out both Kira and Obi.

I'd be surprised if Thibs had Obi ranked that high, but he might see enough to make him think his defense is workable. I'm having a hard time seeing it tho. Obi's defense is like Covid. Once it infects you're team defense, it corrodes it at every level.

I don't like Obi long term for the Knicks but here is another angle: At pick 8 Obi may be very good value. Think of the value that Channing Frye had for a hot minute when he was a rookie, only more athletic. Obi may be the most ready to contribute for all of the rookies and, given the chance, will put up offensive numbers.

Then, when value goes up, you trade him.

Good point. Channing was performing at a historic level for a stretch in his rookie year, during an era when centers had more value. Obi might catch fire like that. I can also see Obi becoming another Derrick Williams, a comp that isn't as far off as you might think, where he just ends up becoming a sunk cost. Obi could also end up becoming MPJ, another guy whose offense is negated by historically bad levels of defense. I'd be OK with that outcome, I guess. At pick 14 it's a good gamble. At pick 8, I might want a little a more stability from a prospect

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Why doesn't he look that athletic in games? Did he just benefit from months of free time that he was able to use preparing for drills? Another guy I liked with our second-rounder, but doubt he falls that far.

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He won't slide past seven.

Give me a break. That slide is being greased as we speak.

I doubt he gets past three. Ball, Edwards and Wiseman could all work with the Hornets roster. That's assuming they don't trade for Westbrook.

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BigDaddyG wrote:I think I pick up the phone if Orlando calls. We can swap Gordon for Randle.
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League sources say the Magic are attempting to move up into the lottery by packaging this pick with Aaron Gordon. If they stay put, Maxey would potentially provide lottery value and immediately inject life as an energetic presence and a hard-nosed defender. Though Markelle Fultz’s resurgence makes for a nice story, he’s still yet to prove he can reliably shoot the ball. Maxey is further along as a scorer off the dribble, which could push Fultz into his ideal role as a supercharged Shaun Livingston.

Something to think about...Gordon is only the books for 2 more years. He would have a tradeable contract next year at the deadline it he doesn't work out. I think most people are still waiting for Gordon to blossom into a much better player but it just hasn't happened yet. I'm not much of a Randle fan, but he has put up better numbers than Gordon thus far...

With that said, if the Knicks pull the trigger it would be because of the potential Gordon still possesses and the ability to grab the player they covet @ 15. Okoro, Vassell and Nesmith will probably be off the board by then, but I think Maxey, Lewis and Terry will still be available.

Uptown wrote:

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Uptown wrote:Are the Knicks locked-in on Lewis and or Vassell?

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Trade down!

I like Okoro at 8...but if he is off the board before 8 and or if the Knicks don't like Okoro for some reason, then I agree. Get an asset and trade down to the back of the lotto.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:I think I pick up the phone if Orlando calls. We can swap Gordon for Randle.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/#mock

League sources say the Magic are attempting to move up into the lottery by packaging this pick with Aaron Gordon. If they stay put, Maxey would potentially provide lottery value and immediately inject life as an energetic presence and a hard-nosed defender. Though Markelle Fultz’s resurgence makes for a nice story, he’s still yet to prove he can reliably shoot the ball. Maxey is further along as a scorer off the dribble, which could push Fultz into his ideal role as a supercharged Shaun Livingston.

Something to think about...Gordon is only the books for 2 more years. He would have a tradeable contract next year at the deadline it he doesn't work out. I think most people are still waiting for Gordon to blossom into a much better player but it just hasn't happened yet. I'm not much of a Randle fan, but he has put up better numbers than Gordon thus far...

With that said, if the Knicks pull the trigger it would be because of the potential Gordon still possesses and the ability to grab the player they covet @ 15. Okoro, Vassell and Nesmith will probably be off the board by then, but I think Maxey, Lewis and Terry will still be available.

The one thing Gordon clearly does better than Randle is move the ball. We'd average about 3 less spinovers a game. He's also a more versatile defender. His three point shooting is erractic, but the same goes for Randle. Randle isn't bad, but I'm just tired of his crap. Maybe Thibs reigns him in?

Spinovers (SIP Crush)...Agreed on the defensive end. Randle is undersized and plays defense as if he is disinterested. Trading Randle and 8 and for Gordon and 15 is something I would definitely consider....

martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

wargames wrote:It came out that Obi worked out for the Knicks so we now know they worked out both Kira and Obi.

I'd be surprised if Thibs had Obi ranked that high, but he might see enough to make him think his defense is workable. I'm having a hard time seeing it tho. Obi's defense is like Covid. Once it infects you're team defense, it corrodes it at every level.

I don't like Obi long term for the Knicks but here is another angle: At pick 8 Obi may be very good value. Think of the value that Channing Frye had for a hot minute when he was a rookie, only more athletic. Obi may be the most ready to contribute for all of the rookies and, given the chance, will put up offensive numbers.

Then, when value goes up, you trade him.

If Obi is available when the Knicks come to the board, I take him and drop kick Randle to the moon.