meloshouldgo wrote:Nixluva - I think you have definitely opened some eyes here on this forum. I wish I knew half as much about black history as you do, it's fascinating and nauseating in equal parts to read about some of this stuff. Thanks for sharing.

Yeah race relations didn't have to be so messed up. This was done on purpose. There was a Labor movement among farm workers and when they wanted to form a Union of sorts there were some who wanted to exclude African Americans, but they soon realized that this would mess them up since Big Buyers would just go to AA's and get a lower price from them. So they were forced to include AA's in their Farmers union but in the South the Racist elements balked at the idea of combining all their efforts into one big Union.

The Farmers' Alliance was an organized agrarian economic movement among American farmers that developed and flourished in 1875. The movement included several parallel but independent political organizations — the National Farmers' Alliance and Industrial Union among the white farmers of the South, the National Farmers' Alliance among the white and black farmers of the Midwest and High Plains, where the Granger movement had been strong, and the Colored Farmers' National Alliance and Cooperative Union, consisting of the African American farmers of the South.

One of the goals of the organization was to end the adverse effects of the crop-lien system on farmers in the period following the American Civil War. The Alliance also generally supported the government regulation of the transportation industry, establishment of an income tax in order to restrict speculative profits, and the adoption of an inflationary relaxation of the nation's money supply as a means of easing the burden of repayment of loans by debtors. The Farmers' Alliance moved into politics in the early 1890s under the banner of the People's Party, commonly known as the "Populists."

Notice that the White and Black Farmers of the Midwest were united but in the South they just couldn't bring themselves to do it. My Great, Great Grandfather who was a Slave came to own over 200 Acres and a Sugarcane Mill in South Carolina at about this time and he was having to deal with the segregation of that time even tho the interests of smaller white and black farmers were the same!!! The powers that be made sure to stoke animosity and keep the average white and black people separate. Haven't you ever wondered why Whites felt compelled to join the Ku Klux Klan and attack Blacks who were just trying to scratch out a living? What did the former Slaves ever do to them to make them so angry and violent? A few well placed fake articles in the newspaper was all it took to get Whites angry at Blacks and go burn down their Barns, Churches etc.

holfresh wrote:Those who get their information from Fox News..

The Fox News Pie Chart..

Look, just because the liberal media want to get you to believe that the totals in a pie chart have to add up to 100%, that doesn't make it true.

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:Brooklyn is what America eventually be. All kind of people blended together in one huge melting pot.
Its like a creature budding with life with people not looking back at the places they came from.

America is not a melting pot, it more like a mosaic. We are not "blending together." It is possible to maintain your unique culture AND integrate yourself into the fabric of this nation, but some people don't get it. You can still be an American and enjoy and practice your Latino, Irish, Italian heritage. This notion that people have to forget where they've come from to be a real American is ridiculous. And you have to remember the past to make sure you don't repeat the same mistakes. And example of this are these bogus voter laws republicans wanted to implement in various states. African-Americans remember similar tactics being used back in the day to suppress their vote so there needed to be push back against it.

Obviously it is possible and cool to maintain the elements of your culture. And I do not think it is possible to get read of this even if one wants too. But what about hundreds of millions of people that some called "whites" which are in fact Brits, Germans, French, Polish, Russians, Spanish, etc. and are now just Americans? And what about all this millions of interracial international families with kids descending from many races and nationalities? Are they not melted? You seems to disregard the reality. But reality will not change regardless of your opinion.

Arkrud you are so out of touch with reality that I can't even believe what you say half of the time. Do you not know that for MOST of this country's history if you have so much as a drop of African blood you were BLACK???

The one-drop rule is a social and legal principle of racial classification that was historically prominent in the United States asserting that any person with even one ancestor of sub-Saharan-African ancestry ("one drop" of black blood)[1][2] is considered black (Negro in historical terms). This concept evolved over the course of the 19th century and became codified into law in the 20th century. It was associated with the principle of "invisible blackness" and is an example of hypodescent, the automatic assignment of children of a mixed union between different socioeconomic or ethnic groups to the group with the lower status.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

So under this kind of thinking someone who actually looked white could still be subject to Segregation and Jim Crow treatment. This is how seriously they took this notion of race. You well know that under Hitler's Germany they had similar thinking with regard to Jewish Blood. It is a repugnant practice but the history of this country was built on this thinking and it lasted well into the late 1960's:

The Civil Rights Act of 1968, (Pub.L. 90–284, 82 Stat. 73, enacted April 11, 1968) is a landmark part of legislation in the United States that provided for equal housing opportunities regardless of race, creed, or national origin and made it a federal crime to “by force or by threat of force, injure, intimidate, or interfere with anyone … by reason of their race, color, religion, or national origin.”[1] The Act was signed into law during the King assassination riots by President Lyndon B. Johnson, who had previously signed the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act into law.

Title VIII of the Civil Rights Act of 1968 is commonly known as the Fair Housing Act and was meant as a follow‑up to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. While the Civil Rights Act of 1866 prohibited discrimination in housing, there were no federal enforcement provisions.[2] The 1968 act expanded on previous acts and prohibited discrimination concerning the sale, rental, and financing of housing based on race, religion, national origin, and since 1974, gender; since 1988, the act protects people with disabilities and families with children.

Victims of discrimination may use both the 1968 act and the 1866 act via section 1983[3] to seek redress. The 1968 act provides for federal solutions while the 1866 act provides for private solutions (i.e., civil suits).

Titles II through VII comprised the Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968, which applies to the Native American tribes of the United States and makes many, but not all, of the guarantees of the Bill of Rights applicable within the tribes[4] (that Act appears today in Title 25, sections 1301 to 1303 of the United States Code).

A rider attached to the bill makes it a felony to "travel in interstate commerce...with the intent to incite, promote, encourage, participate in and carry on a riot". This provision has been criticized for "equating organized political protest with organized violence".[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1968

So we're talking about 48 years since the 1968 Civil Rights Act. That's not a very long period of time. I'm older than that and so are many people in the U.S., so many remember how it was before 1968 and the early years after 1968 as the country struggled to change.

I am complicatedly out of touch with your virtual reality.
I am leaving in the world where AA people are a tiny minority among 7 bullion of human being I belong to.
I understand that everything which related to this group is magnified to you as you are a part of it.
But if you want this group to do better you should get out of your box and look at yourself from the perspective of all other people who populate this country and this planet.
Every race and every nation has history of pain, genocide, oppression, death, and despair.
We humans will need to leave this all behind and became as one... or degrade and disappear.
There is no other way.
Thousands of people all over the world are shot, raped, tortured, abused, and humiliated at this very moment.
All of them deserve compassion and help as much as every AA man killed at traffic stop.
They all are at the same level of importance to me.
And again - give me your plan of action. Time for academics is over. It is time to find the solutions.

You STILL don't understand. You live in America! This country was built with Slavery as a means to build it's economic power and this country fought a vicious and bloody Civil War over this practice. It then went thru another 100 years of Jim Crow which was further mistreatment of AA's.

As for your ignorant comment about AA's doing better, you're like Trump in thinking that AA's aren't doing better DESPITE all the crap we've had inflicted upon us. We are doing better. The only reason why we've not done better has been due in large part to the unjust treatment we've had over HUNDREDS of years in this country. Since 1619 until now AA's have not been treated completely equally.

Since you refuse to educate yourself on these things it's impossible for you to understand the problem. This isn't an African American problem, This is an AMERICAN problem. Not properly addressing these issues has been holding this country back from being greater than it is.

When my Great, Great Grandfather fought in the Civil War, with Company I of the 24th Regiment U.S. Colored Troops, it was in a segregated military. When my 3 Great Uncles fought in WWI they were in a segregated military. When my Grandfather fought in WWII and won a Bronze Star and Purple Heart fighting Germans in Europe, he was in a Segregated military. When my father was in Vietnam they had an integrated military but prejudice was still rampant and the country had not yet dealt with Civil Rights completely. I am fully aware of how far AA's have come in this country and what has held us back from achieving more. I'm trying to help you to understand all the many ways that AA's have been negatively impacted in this country. There is MUCH more you need to learn.

I love this history teacher Nixluva ... (not so much the sports over optimist Nixluva, nor the Nixluva who is giving Rose a bit of a pass though)

Keep these posts coming ... very informative! Thanks.

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:Brooklyn is what America eventually be. All kind of people blended together in one huge melting pot.
Its like a creature budding with life with people not looking back at the places they came from.

America is not a melting pot, it more like a mosaic. We are not "blending together." It is possible to maintain your unique culture AND integrate yourself into the fabric of this nation, but some people don't get it. You can still be an American and enjoy and practice your Latino, Irish, Italian heritage. This notion that people have to forget where they've come from to be a real American is ridiculous. And you have to remember the past to make sure you don't repeat the same mistakes. And example of this are these bogus voter laws republicans wanted to implement in various states. African-Americans remember similar tactics being used back in the day to suppress their vote so there needed to be push back against it.

Obviously it is possible and cool to maintain the elements of your culture. And I do not think it is possible to get read of this even if one wants too. But what about hundreds of millions of people that some called "whites" which are in fact Brits, Germans, French, Polish, Russians, Spanish, etc. and are now just Americans? And what about all this millions of interracial international families with kids descending from many races and nationalities? Are they not melted? You seems to disregard the reality. But reality will not change regardless of your opinion.

Arkrud you are so out of touch with reality that I can't even believe what you say half of the time. Do you not know that for MOST of this country's history if you have so much as a drop of African blood you were BLACK???

The one-drop rule is a social and legal principle of racial classification that was historically prominent in the United States asserting that any person with even one ancestor of sub-Saharan-African ancestry ("one drop" of black blood)[1][2] is considered black (Negro in historical terms). This concept evolved over the course of the 19th century and became codified into law in the 20th century. It was associated with the principle of "invisible blackness" and is an example of hypodescent, the automatic assignment of children of a mixed union between different socioeconomic or ethnic groups to the group with the lower status.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

So under this kind of thinking someone who actually looked white could still be subject to Segregation and Jim Crow treatment. This is how seriously they took this notion of race. You well know that under Hitler's Germany they had similar thinking with regard to Jewish Blood. It is a repugnant practice but the history of this country was built on this thinking and it lasted well into the late 1960's:

The Civil Rights Act of 1968, (Pub.L. 90–284, 82 Stat. 73, enacted April 11, 1968) is a landmark part of legislation in the United States that provided for equal housing opportunities regardless of race, creed, or national origin and made it a federal crime to “by force or by threat of force, injure, intimidate, or interfere with anyone … by reason of their race, color, religion, or national origin.”[1] The Act was signed into law during the King assassination riots by President Lyndon B. Johnson, who had previously signed the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act into law.

Title VIII of the Civil Rights Act of 1968 is commonly known as the Fair Housing Act and was meant as a follow‑up to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. While the Civil Rights Act of 1866 prohibited discrimination in housing, there were no federal enforcement provisions.[2] The 1968 act expanded on previous acts and prohibited discrimination concerning the sale, rental, and financing of housing based on race, religion, national origin, and since 1974, gender; since 1988, the act protects people with disabilities and families with children.

Victims of discrimination may use both the 1968 act and the 1866 act via section 1983[3] to seek redress. The 1968 act provides for federal solutions while the 1866 act provides for private solutions (i.e., civil suits).

Titles II through VII comprised the Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968, which applies to the Native American tribes of the United States and makes many, but not all, of the guarantees of the Bill of Rights applicable within the tribes[4] (that Act appears today in Title 25, sections 1301 to 1303 of the United States Code).

A rider attached to the bill makes it a felony to "travel in interstate commerce...with the intent to incite, promote, encourage, participate in and carry on a riot". This provision has been criticized for "equating organized political protest with organized violence".[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1968

So we're talking about 48 years since the 1968 Civil Rights Act. That's not a very long period of time. I'm older than that and so are many people in the U.S., so many remember how it was before 1968 and the early years after 1968 as the country struggled to change.

I am complicatedly out of touch with your virtual reality.
I am leaving in the world where AA people are a tiny minority among 7 bullion of human being I belong to.
I understand that everything which related to this group is magnified to you as you are a part of it.
But if you want this group to do better you should get out of your box and look at yourself from the perspective of all other people who populate this country and this planet.
Every race and every nation has history of pain, genocide, oppression, death, and despair.
We humans will need to leave this all behind and became as one... or degrade and disappear.
There is no other way.
Thousands of people all over the world are shot, raped, tortured, abused, and humiliated at this very moment.
All of them deserve compassion and help as much as every AA man killed at traffic stop.
They all are at the same level of importance to me.
And again - give me your plan of action. Time for academics is over. It is time to find the solutions.

you're an american arkrud. being a citizen of the world is a fantasy. you came here by choice in order to flee an oppressive condition. african american ancestors came here as slaves, not by choice, and have been oppressed during slavery and in the wake of slavery. so their pain and suffering is far far more relevant.

so far as "culture" is concerned, black culture *is* american culture. four-hundred years on this continent will necessarily do that. and the contributions have been glorious. you may not like the contemporary version of it-- i frankly think it sucks-- but much of what makes america so great is the contributions of slaves and former slaves and descendants of former slaves.

i read recently something about the immigrant "crisis" in some scandinavian country-- the man took pains to say that while people are entitled to maintain their ethnic identities, they had to adapt to the host country's culture. i guess the term is assimilation-- are you assimilated?

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Where is Obama tonight when we need him? Making speeches for Hillary?

What would you want him to say or do? The Republicans are always shouting about State's Rights but when ISH goes down they go right to the big government.

Get the F off the street or the army is coming

newyorknewyork wrote:

WTF!!

newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Where is Obama tonight when we need him? Making speeches for Hillary?

What would you want him to say or do? The Republicans are always shouting about State's Rights but when ISH goes down they go right to the big government.

Get the F off the street or the army is coming

You think that would make any difference? You think these kids would be watching what politicians say and give a flip? The violence is ridiculous but they aren't doing this in Tulsa because that Police Dept. released the video immediately. In NC they just passed a law that blocks the release of Videos to the public. It's not in effect yet but you can see how this would have a calming effect if they had let the public see what really happened. They do it wrong in NC as they do a lot of things wrong in that state.

These are criminals period

I don't condone the riots. But what do you expect? No justice no peace. African Americans get locked up or murdered regardless if criminal or not. What should the ones doing the rioting fear when the outcome will be the same regardless?

Also noticed not one comment by you over Terrance Crutcher shooting.

They didn't riot in Tulsa after the Terrance Crutcher shooting. They released the video and the police and city government were transparent as opposed to NC that handled things all wrong!

Trump said they should bring back Stop and Frisk!!! The practice that a judge ruled was unconstitutional and studies found was in fact NOT effective! Trump also said that we need to racially profile in order to solve terrorism! This man is a complete idiot!!! He talks without knowing what he's talking about, thinking things thru or having done any research!