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8/4/2022  11:21 AM
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martin wrote:If your point was sarcasm, who really cares about the contents and its accuracy, right? I already know the backstory and I'd guess others have a baseline familiarity with her. I missed the joke or sarcasm or whatever it was. So did the one person who also responded to your post.

And this will cause me great anguish and pain.

I also solemnly promise to never trust the accuracy of game scores from Fox News, after all, it is also probably a poor source of info according to some.

if you put a smiley face on that statement its good sarcasm!
Otherwise your deflecting away from the point.

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8/4/2022  11:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/4/2022  12:03 PM
Nalod wrote:
ESOMKnicks wrote:
martin wrote:If your point was sarcasm, who really cares about the contents and its accuracy, right? I already know the backstory and I'd guess others have a baseline familiarity with her. I missed the joke or sarcasm or whatever it was. So did the one person who also responded to your post.

And this will cause me great anguish and pain.

I also solemnly promise to never trust the accuracy of game scores from Fox News, after all, it is also probably a poor source of info according to some.

if you put a smiley face on that statement its good sarcasm!
Otherwise your deflecting away from the point.

Probably better to just get back to the original point (as God is my witness, I was not the one who started deflecting away from it).

I can't escape feeling a distinct double standard in the Shumpert vs the Griner cases. I understand that 33 grams of THC is not the same as 1 gram, but this difference is moot.
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8/4/2022  1:53 PM
Grenier messed up. The only thing we can compare is how are other offenders of carrying a THC vape pen get 9.5 years?
True, one should not break laws in other countries.
The Right has weaponized her not as an american getting unfair treatment, but a black women arrested on drugs narrative. Fuck anyone for buying into that. Tucker Carlson is a ratings magnet using propaganda tactics tjat is very dangerous. If you believe that stuff, well then your being fed well and don't care.
Shump? He will pay a fine and and if no priors will be the end of that. 6 oz's is a lot of weed. TSA don't care but, if you flaunt it and they see it, they have to do something about it.

Nalodian experience: I traveled with a College group to Soviet Russia in 1984. Few short months after they shot down Korean airliner 007. We were told to be cool and do not get in trouble. Few times were were baited to try to take documents while browsing books stores. I did not take the bait. One dude was trying to get me to take letters to NY to his girlfriend. I told him he was lying. Why? His teeth were bad. No NY women would date a man with a mouth like that. When he walked away some bad looking dudes were standing by a car and just started laughing. They were recording it for evidence and would have video/sound of it. This dude kept shoving papers in front of me asking me to read it. I put my hands up, backed up and would not look at it. He was trying really hard and my harsh comment was to rid of him. Man, this guy was stressed out and throwing a bad vibe. It was not hard to turn him away.
At the airport to go home in "Lenningrad" with 12 other students and two college professors as our chaparones I was pulled from the line with my passport and was detained. Not grabbed or anything dramatic but they took my bags and we went into a small locked room with a mirror with three soldiers and yes was scared as they went thru everything. Was waiting for them to pull something as a plant and screw me. "Why are you nervous?" they asked. I said "with all due respect, I have nothing to be scared of. I come to learn about your country and perhaps not embarrass mine". How so? "Well, we are a spoiled people who work too hard on obtaining material wealth and think ourselves entitled, thus we look bad sometimes to citizens of the world". They laughed. Corny ass line for sure. "What do you think will happen here?" I replied "in the movies back home I get accused of something I did not do and my life sucks, or since you did not find anything and we had this nice chat I go home and tell all I had a good visit and this place is cool". Remember, Im 21 here......They laughed and mimicked "this place is Cool!!! " They knew I was full of **** but it kind of came off good with the main dude. They pointed that I collect my things and and to have a good trip home. Chaparones reported to state department when we got home and they came to campus to brief me. There had been harassment's to other "tourists" but would not tell me if any were detained. I asked him was I wrong to let my imagination run a bit. He said "actually it served you well". How so? "you humanized yourself with humor and that you know not all love americans. Those soldiers were close to your age? If you made them envious of you they would resent your privileges' and be easier to do what they knew to be wrong". He intimated what happened was not that unusual but one never knows.

Relevant to Brittney? not really. But How many of you can say they were in soviet russia and got that experience?
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8/4/2022  2:21 PM
Everything else aside, I guess I don't understand why you are trying to compare or suss out some double standard. Both have been arrested in different countries under different circumstances.

Literally what is there to compare?

ESOMKnicks wrote:I can't escape feeling a distinct double standard in the Shumpert vs the Griner cases. I understand that 33 grams of THC is not the same as 1 gram, but this difference is moot.
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8/4/2022  2:27 PM
One lives and learns: I had no clue that they pulled such tricks on normal American tourists in Commie Russia 1984. I don't like Commies, but I thought they acted with a lot more decency and decorum towards foreigners than in today's Mafia Russia.

I believe Griner will be out and back in the US in no time. Russia wants this Viktor Bout guy back in exchange pretty badly.

Hope that Iman gets off lightly. No one should be spending time in jail over such things.
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8/4/2022  3:15 PM
martin wrote:Everything else aside, I guess I don't understand why you are trying to compare or suss out some double standard. Both have been arrested in different countries under different circumstances.

Literally what is there to compare?

It is quite simple: Americans should not be arrested and jailed for carrying drugs through an airport in Russia. President Biden has made it abundantly clear once again today when he said:

Today, American citizen Brittney Griner received a prison sentence that is one more reminder of what the world already knew: Russia is wrongfully detaining Brittney. It's unacceptable, and I call on Russia to release her immediately so she can be with her wife, loved ones, friends, and teammates. My administration will continue to work tirelessly and pursue every possible avenue to bring Brittney and Paul Whelan home safely as soon as possible.

By the same token, Americans should not be arrested and jailed for carrying drugs through an airport in America either. I hope Biden makes this abundantly clear as well. Iman's case is one instance to do just that, let Biden's administration work tirelessly to bring American citizen Shumpert home safely too.
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8/4/2022  3:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/4/2022  3:31 PM
ESOMKnicks wrote:
martin wrote:Everything else aside, I guess I don't understand why you are trying to compare or suss out some double standard. Both have been arrested in different countries under different circumstances.

Literally what is there to compare?

It is quite simple: Americans should not be arrested and jailed for carrying drugs through an airport in Russia. President Biden has made it abundantly clear once again today when he said:

Today, American citizen Brittney Griner received a prison sentence that is one more reminder of what the world already knew: Russia is wrongfully detaining Brittney. It's unacceptable, and I call on Russia to release her immediately so she can be with her wife, loved ones, friends, and teammates. My administration will continue to work tirelessly and pursue every possible avenue to bring Brittney and Paul Whelan home safely as soon as possible.

By the same token, Americans should not be arrested and jailed for carrying drugs through an airport in America either. I hope Biden makes this abundantly clear as well. Iman's case is one instance to do just that, let Biden's administration work tirelessly to bring American citizen Shumpert home safely too.

LOL, You said "Token". can't leave it alone can you. OK, take a moment and read this article. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2022/03/06/what-know-travel-marijuana-after-brittney-griner-arrest/9403700002/ THere is precedence here and what you see is a clearly others got far less penalties. Putin understands that a tall high profile black women guilty of a small crime can be positioned to fuel the flames of our divided american citizens.

Nobody is doubting her guilt. She has no defense. Its clearly apparent that she is a political pawn in a higher stakes game.
Here in our country TSA does not look for drugs. But if they find them they have to report them. 6 ounces is egregious amount by definition of the law.
Is it reasonable? ITs also Texas. They are behind many states in its progressive response to the weed. Iman won't do 9.5 years.

I think Biden gets blamed for all kinds of things. I thought his statement could have been better crafted but your response and trying to tie it to Grineir is lame.
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8/4/2022  3:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/4/2022  3:54 PM
Nalod wrote:
ESOMKnicks wrote:
martin wrote:Everything else aside, I guess I don't understand why you are trying to compare or suss out some double standard. Both have been arrested in different countries under different circumstances.

Literally what is there to compare?

It is quite simple: Americans should not be arrested and jailed for carrying drugs through an airport in Russia. President Biden has made it abundantly clear once again today when he said:

Today, American citizen Brittney Griner received a prison sentence that is one more reminder of what the world already knew: Russia is wrongfully detaining Brittney. It's unacceptable, and I call on Russia to release her immediately so she can be with her wife, loved ones, friends, and teammates. My administration will continue to work tirelessly and pursue every possible avenue to bring Brittney and Paul Whelan home safely as soon as possible.

By the same token, Americans should not be arrested and jailed for carrying drugs through an airport in America either. I hope Biden makes this abundantly clear as well. Iman's case is one instance to do just that, let Biden's administration work tirelessly to bring American citizen Shumpert home safely too.

LOL, You said "Token".

LOL, nice one. I admit it took me a few seconds to get it.

Nalod wrote:can't leave it alone can you. OK, take a moment and read this article. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2022/03/06/what-know-travel-marijuana-after-brittney-griner-arrest/9403700002/ THere is precedence here and what you see is a clearly others got far less penalties. Putin understands that a tall high profile black women guilty of a small crime can be positioned to fuel the flames of our divided american citizens.

Nobody is doubting her guilt. She has no defense. Its clearly apparent that she is a political pawn in a higher stakes game.
Here in our country TSA does not look for drugs. But if they find them they have to report them. 6 ounces is egregious amount by definition of the law.
Is it reasonable? ITs also Texas. They are behind many states in its progressive response to the weed. Iman won't do 9.5 years.

I think Biden gets blamed for all kinds of things. I thought his statement could have been better crafted but your response and trying to tie it to Grineir is lame.

I am absolutely not blaming Biden for standing up for Griner. He is absolutely doing the right thing trying to help her. I am blaming him for not doing more to help Americans who find themselves in similar situations back home in the United States.

Also, the thing about the Russian criminal "justice" system is that it is so heavily stacked towards repression, that it is not uncommon for people to get arrested and sentenced to jail terms on completely trumped up charges and falsified evidence. Drug laws are especially frequently used in such cases. So, is it any surprise that the repressive machine comes down hard when someone actually does violate these laws, inadvertently or not? I doubt that Griner being tall, black, American and lesbian had anything to do with her predicament. You get busted carrying drugs across the border in Russia, you are screwed (well, maybe sometimes if you are high-powered, VERY well-connected and capable of bribing your way out). Still, what happened to her is wrong. But at least she will not do 9.5 years either, Russia will swap her.
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8/4/2022  3:52 PM
We all understand that Griner is a political prisoner and Putin pawn, right?

Do we all have that understanding, right?

Shump is just a dingbat who forgot to empty his backpack before getting to airport? He was at least not dumb enough to forget to remove the firearm that was also probably in the same backpack?

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8/4/2022  3:55 PM
martin wrote:We all understand that Griner is a political prisoner and Putin pawn, right?

Do we all have that understanding, right?

Shump is just a dingbat who forgot to empty his backpack before getting to airport? He was at least not dumb enough to forget to remove the firearm that was also probably in the same backpack?

You understand that your reasoning is exactly what double standards are all about, right?
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8/4/2022  4:04 PM
ESOMKnicks wrote:
martin wrote:We all understand that Griner is a political prisoner and Putin pawn, right?

Do we all have that understanding, right?

Shump is just a dingbat who forgot to empty his backpack before getting to airport? He was at least not dumb enough to forget to remove the firearm that was also probably in the same backpack?

You understand that your reasoning is exactly what double standards are all about, right?

ESOMKnicks, I say this with sincerity: I literally can’t tell if English is your first language or if you are American or foreign, but your understanding of the phrase “double standard” isn’t matching up to what I think most understand it to be.

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8/4/2022  4:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/4/2022  4:21 PM
martin wrote:
ESOMKnicks wrote:
martin wrote:We all understand that Griner is a political prisoner and Putin pawn, right?

Do we all have that understanding, right?

Shump is just a dingbat who forgot to empty his backpack before getting to airport? He was at least not dumb enough to forget to remove the firearm that was also probably in the same backpack?

You understand that your reasoning is exactly what double standards are all about, right?

ESOMKnicks, I say this with sincerity: I literally can’t tell if English is your first language or if you are American or foreign, but your understanding of the phrase “double standard” isn’t matching up to what I think most understand it to be.

The concept of double standard is universal, and does not depend on one's language, nationality, ethnicity, etc.

Anyway, this argument is getting ridiculous. I have laid out my position abundantly enough, complete with back up facts and logical arguments, so now I rest my case.
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Anyway, here is how others feel about her predicament

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8/4/2022  5:01 PM
I clicked this thread and thought I mistakenly entered a political thread. This is really the dead part of the offseason.
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8/4/2022  5:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/4/2022  5:20 PM
martin wrote:We all understand that Griner is a political prisoner and Putin pawn, right?

Do we all have that understanding, right?

Shump is just a dingbat who forgot to empty his backpack before getting to airport? He was at least not dumb enough to forget to remove the firearm that was also probably in the same backpack?

At the same time people are in jail in America for Weed too. If anything America’s situation is pathetic. Russia went after Griner because she was a low hanging political fruit. Right now in American we got people earning millions for the same thing people are in jail for…

If anything the country “trading” for Griner’s safety is a even bigger hypocritical move because there are people in America serving jail time for the same thing they are accusing Russia as using as a trumped up charge to make a point.

Basically it needs to be decriminalized.

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8/4/2022  5:24 PM
ESOMKnicks wrote:
Nalod wrote:
ESOMKnicks wrote:
martin wrote:Everything else aside, I guess I don't understand why you are trying to compare or suss out some double standard. Both have been arrested in different countries under different circumstances.

Literally what is there to compare?

It is quite simple: Americans should not be arrested and jailed for carrying drugs through an airport in Russia. President Biden has made it abundantly clear once again today when he said:

Today, American citizen Brittney Griner received a prison sentence that is one more reminder of what the world already knew: Russia is wrongfully detaining Brittney. It's unacceptable, and I call on Russia to release her immediately so she can be with her wife, loved ones, friends, and teammates. My administration will continue to work tirelessly and pursue every possible avenue to bring Brittney and Paul Whelan home safely as soon as possible.

By the same token, Americans should not be arrested and jailed for carrying drugs through an airport in America either. I hope Biden makes this abundantly clear as well. Iman's case is one instance to do just that, let Biden's administration work tirelessly to bring American citizen Shumpert home safely too.

LOL, You said "Token".

LOL, nice one. I admit it took me a few seconds to get it.

Nalod wrote:can't leave it alone can you. OK, take a moment and read this article. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2022/03/06/what-know-travel-marijuana-after-brittney-griner-arrest/9403700002/ THere is precedence here and what you see is a clearly others got far less penalties. Putin understands that a tall high profile black women guilty of a small crime can be positioned to fuel the flames of our divided american citizens.

Nobody is doubting her guilt. She has no defense. Its clearly apparent that she is a political pawn in a higher stakes game.
Here in our country TSA does not look for drugs. But if they find them they have to report them. 6 ounces is egregious amount by definition of the law.
Is it reasonable? ITs also Texas. They are behind many states in its progressive response to the weed. Iman won't do 9.5 years.

I think Biden gets blamed for all kinds of things. I thought his statement could have been better crafted but your response and trying to tie it to Grineir is lame.

I am absolutely not blaming Biden for standing up for Griner. He is absolutely doing the right thing trying to help her. I am blaming him for not doing more to help Americans who find themselves in similar situations back home in the United States.

Also, the thing about the Russian criminal "justice" system is that it is so heavily stacked towards repression, that it is not uncommon for people to get arrested and sentenced to jail terms on completely trumped up charges and falsified evidence. Drug laws are especially frequently used in such cases. So, is it any surprise that the repressive machine comes down hard when someone actually does violate these laws, inadvertently or not? I doubt that Griner being tall, black, American and lesbian had anything to do with her predicament. You get busted carrying drugs across the border in Russia, you are screwed (well, maybe sometimes if you are high-powered, VERY well-connected and capable of bribing your way out). Still, what happened to her is wrong. But at least she will not do 9.5 years either, Russia will swap her.

States have their own laws regarding Weed. So no, Biden cannot just intervene.
I demonstrated other foreign nationals have been used as pawns to a far lessor extentm and got far less sentances.
You opinon that she is not being used is comical. I give examples you bring Shump.
Now, you want to talk about decades of high percentage of black men incarcerated in for profit jail or given criminal records for what is now legal then we can talk and I agree.
But Shump won't get 9.5 years, or likely have some felony records if he is not a repeating felon.
And yes, Trump in his ass kissing russian thing to putin and divisive manner was despicable in his comments. TO follow a narcissist sociopath like him speaks to your position so just say you don't give a **** about her injustice because your support the right wing orange agenda and Putin.
Thats what your saying. Your opinion is your view. Just freaking go there rather than take the common lame approach to win an argument. You know where I stand, so just make your proclamation because i doubt your talented enough to deliver an epiphany to change my view, and your clearly aligned to not digest facts when presented to you.
Fact: How have russian laws treated others like her? Not "Why can't Biden help americans first". Dude, who is getting locked up for vape pens?
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8/4/2022  5:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 8/4/2022  5:58 PM
Nalod wrote:
ESOMKnicks wrote:
I am absolutely not blaming Biden for standing up for Griner. He is absolutely doing the right thing trying to help her. I am blaming him for not doing more to help Americans who find themselves in similar situations back home in the United States.

Also, the thing about the Russian criminal "justice" system is that it is so heavily stacked towards repression, that it is not uncommon for people to get arrested and sentenced to jail terms on completely trumped up charges and falsified evidence. Drug laws are especially frequently used in such cases. So, is it any surprise that the repressive machine comes down hard when someone actually does violate these laws, inadvertently or not? I doubt that Griner being tall, black, American and lesbian had anything to do with her predicament. You get busted carrying drugs across the border in Russia, you are screwed (well, maybe sometimes if you are high-powered, VERY well-connected and capable of bribing your way out). Still, what happened to her is wrong. But at least she will not do 9.5 years either, Russia will swap her.

States have their own laws regarding Weed. So no, Biden cannot just intervene.
I demonstrated other foreign nationals have been used as pawns to a far lessor extentm and got far less sentances.
You opinon that she is not being used is comical. I give examples you bring Shump.
Now, you want to talk about decades of high percentage of black men incarcerated in for profit jail or given criminal records for what is now legal then we can talk and I agree.
But Shump won't get 9.5 years, or likely have some felony records if he is not a repeating felon.
And yes, Trump in his ass kissing russian thing to putin and divisive manner was despicable in his comments. TO follow a narcissist sociopath like him speaks to your position so just say you don't give a **** about her injustice because your support the right wing orange agenda and Putin.
Thats what your saying. Your opinion is your view. Just freaking go there rather than take the common lame approach to win an argument. You know where I stand, so just make your proclamation because i doubt your talented enough to deliver an epiphany to change my view, and your clearly aligned to not digest facts when presented to you.
Fact: How have russian laws treated others like her? Not "Why can't Biden help americans first". Dude, who is getting locked up for vape pens?

Are you sure you are addressing the right guy? What on Earth has made you think that I would even for an instant follow or support the orange doofus or any of his half-witted minions? And why on Earth would I try to change your view if I agree with it?

I would have to guess that Biden can intervene on the territory of United States, including Texas, a lot more effectively than in Russia. Not to mention that he could make at least a semblance of an effort to repeal US federal drug laws.

Whether it is vape pens or leaf, 33 grams of THC or 1 gram, 9.5 or 2 years, Russia or the US, makes no difference, people should not be in jail for that stuff.

Griner's case is hardly an abberation or some extraordinary political move on Russia's side. This is how Russia has been treating drug "crimes" for years, whether they were "committed" by Russians, Americans or whoever else. Case in point: another story you probably have not heard about; before there was Griner there had been Gaylen Grandstaff. Quite heartbreaking, actually.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/lions-mouth-american-gaylen-grandstaff-finally-russia-years/story?id=70650666
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