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OasisBU
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5/4/2006  10:13 AM
Dude....Matt...I mean seriously bro...counting down every single day for the rest of the term is going to make it seem like an eternity - and it already feels long enough.

You made your point - and I think at this time both republicans and democrats can agree that there is a major problem in this country and with this leadership - we have the opportunity to change it in 2008 - but if you feel this strongly about it why dont you become an activist or something and try to change it before then?

Counting down proves you are unhappy and is a great marker for how long we are all going to suffer - but it does not change anything and in the end it is an exercise in futility.

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5/4/2006  6:57 PM
Posted by OasisBU:

Counting down proves you are unhappy and is a great marker for how long we are all going to suffer - but it does not change anything and in the end it is an exercise in futility.
Its also harmless & funny.
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Posted by Silverfuel:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/03/arts/03colb.html?ex=1147406400&en=2f0452eb8e96a0d0&ei=5070

^ I saw this. Look at that look on Bush's face. Perfect!
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5/5/2006  12:22 AM
Oasis, this thread has made for some great conversations and some mutual enlightenment. Go back and read through the articles posted here and add your comments. It's been quite a constructive outlet in that sense.

Plus - and this is no small thing to me - it's made for a great sense of community. I put a lot of value in that, and I thank MaTT, Silver, Martin et al for being part of it.
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5/5/2006  7:07 AM
Sorry, I got a commitment, the countdown must go on!
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5/5/2006  7:25 AM
Good post Marv. This thread has indeed been very informative.

Happy May 5th fellas! If it wasnt final exams time, I would be drenched in tequila singing "come join the fun." I will have atleast a few Coronas and hope you guys do the same. I really wish I could go all out tonite. Happy Cinco De Mayo!
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5/5/2006  7:27 AM
You guys see this: http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2006/05/05/188144-poll-bushs-approval-falls-to-new-low

Angry conservatives are driving the approval ratings of President Bush and the GOP-led Congress to dismal new lows, according to an AP-Ipsos poll that underscores why Republicans fear an Election Day massacre.
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5/5/2006  8:31 AM
man, I read the Boston Globe version yesterday and it didn't really register with my brain how outrageous the information was. Glad the NYT picked it up too. Seriously, Bush makes me sick to my stomach with his idiocy. I can take differing views all around, but the type of governing going on is killing me. Colbert did provide a 15 minute window of relief at the Press Dinner.

Veto? Who Needs a Veto?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/05/opinion/05fri1.html

One of the abiding curiosities of the Bush administration is that after more than five years in office, the president has yet to issue a veto. No one since Thomas Jefferson has stayed in the White House this long without rejecting a single act of Congress. Some people attribute this to the Republicans' control of the House and the Senate, and others to Mr. Bush's reluctance to expend political capital on anything but tax cuts for the wealthy and the war in Iraq. Now, thanks to a recent article in The Boston Globe, we have a better answer.

President Bush doesn't bother with vetoes; he simply declares his intention not to enforce anything he dislikes. Charlie Savage at The Globe reported recently that Mr. Bush had issued more than 750 "presidential signing statements" declaring he wouldn't do what the laws required. Perhaps the most infamous was the one in which he stated that he did not really feel bound by the Congressional ban on the torture of prisoners.

In this area, as in so many others, Mr. Bush has decided not to take the open, forthright constitutional path. He signed some of the laws in question with great fanfare, then quietly registered his intention to ignore them. He placed his imperial vision of the presidency over the will of America's elected lawmakers. And as usual, the Republican majority in Congress simply looked the other way.

Many of the signing statements reject efforts to curb Mr. Bush's out-of-control sense of his powers in combating terrorism. In March, after frequent pious declarations of his commitment to protecting civil liberties, Mr. Bush issued a signing statement that said he would not obey a new law requiring the Justice Department to report on how the F.B.I. is using the Patriot Act to search homes and secretly seize papers if he decided that such reporting could impair national security or executive branch operations.

In another case, the president said he would not instruct the military to follow a law barring it from storing illegally obtained intelligence about Americans. Now we know, of course, that Mr. Bush had already authorized the National Security Agency, which is run by the Pentagon, to violate the law by eavesdropping on Americans' conversations and reading Americans' e-mail without getting warrants.

We know from this sort of bitter experience that the president is not simply expressing philosophical reservations about how a particular law may affect the war on terror. The signing statements are not even all about national security. Mr. Bush is not willing to enforce a law protecting employees of nuclear-related agencies if they report misdeeds to Congress. In another case, he said he would not turn over scientific information "uncensored and without delay" when Congress needed it. (Remember the altered environmental reports?)

Mr. Bush also demurred from following a law forbidding the Defense Department to censor the legal advice of military lawyers. (Remember the ones who objected to the torture-is-legal policy?) Instead, his signing statement said military lawyers are bound to agree with political appointees at the Justice Department and the Pentagon.

The founding fathers never conceived of anything like a signing statement. The idea was cooked up by Edwin Meese III, when he was the attorney general for Ronald Reagan, to expand presidential powers. He was helped by a young lawyer who was a true believer in the unitary presidency, a euphemism for an autocratic executive branch that ignores Congress and the courts. Unhappily, that lawyer, Samuel Alito Jr., is now on the Supreme Court.

Since the Reagan era, other presidents have issued signing statements to explain how they interpreted a law for the purpose of enforcing it, or to register narrow constitutional concerns. But none have done it as profligately as Mr. Bush. (His father issued about 232 in four years, and Bill Clinton 140 in eight years.) And none have used it so clearly to make the president the interpreter of a law's intent, instead of Congress, and the arbiter of constitutionality, instead of the courts.

Like many of Mr. Bush's other imperial excesses, this one serves no legitimate purpose. Congress is run by a solid and iron-fisted Republican majority. And there is actually a system for the president to object to a law: he vetoes it, and Congress then has a chance to override the veto with a two-thirds majority.

That process was good enough for 42 other presidents. But it has the disadvantage of leaving the chief executive bound by his oath of office to abide by the result. This president seems determined not to play by any rules other than the ones of his own making. And that includes the Constitution.
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5/5/2006  9:06 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

Happy May 5th fellas! If it wasnt final exams time, I would be drenched in tequila singing "come join the fun." I will have atleast a few Coronas and hope you guys do the same. I really wish I could go all out tonite. Happy Cinco De Mayo!

so studious and responsible!

Happy Cinco all around! I gotta stay in and keep the wraps on my boy tonight - he's got the SAT's at 7.45 tomorrow morning! But i wouldn't be surprised if I didn't sneak a few in on the side
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5/6/2006  12:01 AM
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5/6/2006  8:22 AM
A former CIA analyst confronts Rumsfeld.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p9QsTaisHs (Main part)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1FTmuhynaw (Keith Olberman analyzing)

I hadnt seen this till today so I figured I'd post it incase you guys missed it.
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5/6/2006  1:07 PM
^ Now THAT is democracy in action.

I liked Olberman's comment on Rumsfeld's "I'm not in the intelligence business" statement > "Was that a Freudian slip?"
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5/6/2006  1:14 PM
Posted by martin:

man, I read the Boston Globe version yesterday and it didn't really register with my brain how outrageous the information was. Glad the NYT picked it up too. Seriously, Bush makes me sick to my stomach with his idiocy. I can take differing views all around, but the type of governing going on is killing me. Colbert did provide a 15 minute window of relief at the Press Dinner.

Veto? Who Needs a Veto?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/05/opinion/05fri1.html
Martin, this is also why I'm unhappy with the Democratic leadership in this nation. Shouldn' t they be making this much more topline? And again, have we all dumbed the process down to the point where the Democrats only speak to issues impacting their "re-electability?"
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5/6/2006  2:08 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

You guys see this: http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2006/05/05/188144-poll-bushs-approval-falls-to-new-low

Angry conservatives are driving the approval ratings of President Bush and the GOP-led Congress to dismal new lows, according to an AP-Ipsos poll that underscores why Republicans fear an Election Day massacre.

ah this reminds me. I never could register for newsvine - it wouldn't accept anythig I put down for the domain field. What are you supposed to put there??
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5/6/2006  2:27 PM
Posted by Marv:

ah this reminds me. I never could register for newsvine - it wouldn't accept anythig I put down for the domain field. What are you supposed to put there??
Generally people choose their nick name but you put down what you want your domain to be. Newsvine also lets author your own articles which they publish on their medium so all articles you have authored will be under your domain.

example: You write articles under the nickname 'xyz' so what you can do is choose your domain to be xyz also. Now if someone reads your article on Jerome James and likes your style, they will click on your name and that will take them to xyz.newsvine.com which has all your work. If you want your work to be stored under something more meaningful, you can choose your domain to be marv and your work will be under marv.newsvine.com for all to see. For the sake of uniformity, I suggest keeping the Display Name and the domain the same.

SHORT REPLY: You can put down the same for your domain as your Display Name.
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5/6/2006  2:44 PM
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/05/06/lookin_for_a_leader/

'Lookin' for a Leader'

By Neil Young | May 6, 2006


Lookin' for somebody
Young enough to take it on
Clean up the corruption
And make the country strong

Walkin' among our people
There's someone who's straight and strong
To lead us from desolation
And a broken world gone wrong

Someone walks among us
And I hope he hears the call
And maybe it's a woman
Or a black man after all

Yeah maybe it's Obama
But he thinks that he's too young
Maybe it's Colin Powell
To right what he's done wrong

America has a leader
But he's not in the house
He's walking here among us
And we've got to seek him out

Yeah we've got our election
But corruption has a chance
We got to have a clean win
To regain confidence

America is beautiful
But she has an ugly side
We're lookin' for a leader
In this country far and wide
We're lookin' for a leader
With the great spirit on his side

Someone walks among us
And I hope he hears the call
And maybe it's a woman
Or a black man after all

Lyrics reprinted by permission. All rights reserved.
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5/6/2006  7:47 PM
Nice. Martin, any clue where I can find the song? Or is this just a poem.
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5/7/2006  1:23 AM
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5/9/2006  12:24 AM

http://www.twcdc.com/programs/stop_bush/stop_bush.htm
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Bush reelected :-(

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