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Posted by TMS:

Manning is aware that the front office is working hard, but made it known that he wants a top-flight target to replace Plaxico Burress.

that would be Anquan Boldin, not Edwards.

Agreed, but Boldin is going to cost big time. Can't see the Cards trading him for less than Roy Williams.

Given how stingy the Giants front office is (99.99% of the time that is a GREAT thing), I think the best scenario for the Giants is they leverage the Browns into trading Edwards for less. Edwards for a 2 and 5 straight up would be awesome... a TD threat plus drafting a LB, OL depth, or whatever RB falls, without giving up any WR would be dynamite

Giants brining Kenny Britt in for a workout... i hope they just pass on Edwards if it's gonna cost us a 2 & 5 & instead move up in the draft if they have extra picks they want to unload... would be nice to come out of this draft w/a top flight LBer prospect along w/Kenny Britt.

Britt with the NO 2nd I'm happy with... Britt with the first I'd be pissed. The overwhelming majority of rookie WRs make minimal impact in the NFL. They take time, which would be fine, if the Giants actually had a player with the talent to be a number one. The Giants offense is their rushing attack, and they need a WR that forces the LBs to play the second level and the safeties to play the 3rd. That rushing attack was okay without a receiver that could force the defenses to play that way. Hixon took Plax's role last season, and he was mediocre at best on man coverage. I'll assume he improves next season, but games will start with eight in the box next season until one of the rostered wideouts proves he warrants zone or double coverage.

The Giants are operating in their Super Bowl window now, which is why I'm an advocate of Boldin or Edwards. Someone that pulls guys out of the box NOW, not three seasons from now. I don't think I'm going out on limb saying that by the time Britt is ready to make a significant NFL impact--if he ever is ready--that window will be shutting.

my preference would be if the G-men moved up in the 1st round & drafted a topnotch LBer prospect, & then hopefully be able to steal Britt in the 2nd round... i'd be willing to give up a 3rd & 5th round picks to go this route rather than give up a 2nd & 5th for someone like B Edwards... that's just me.

I'd be okay with that. The Giants D would be elite again... but you head into the season knowing the team is going to be pedestrian offensively.

If the Giants stand more or less pat, I'd like them to trade up to about 20 and grab Moreno and take Britt in the second.

u can't assume their offense will be pedestrian... for all we know Kenny Britt could be like Marques Colston was for the Saints his rookie season & that guy was a 7th round draft pick... they seem to have similar builds & both are nice big targets to throw to... i think Britt would fit in nicely in this offense & have an impact right away, maybe not on Plax's level obviously but more of a threat than Hixon, Moss or Manningham will be next season IMO.

& anyway we still have 1 of the best O-Lines in the game along w/the biggest & most bruising RB in the game... i think that kid Ware's gonna be a nice backup for Jacobs & Bradshaw will bring some of that playmaking ability that we didn't see much of last season because of his limited role.

Without Burress, the Giants offense WAS pedestrian and, worse, predictable. The running game was above average without him, but not elite like it was with him on the field. Marques Colston was projected by some to be a tight end, and also to go undrafted. The Saints caught lightning in the bottle when he had the season he did as a seventh rounder. DeSean Jackson is the only recent first round WR I can think of off the top of my head that made a MAJOR impact his first season.

So, you're right, I don't know if a WR could have a major impact his first season. But, historically, no team finds a major impact receiver the first year in the NFL. Assuming the Giants are going to get Marques Colston-like production from a draft pick isn't sound IMO

Here's what I was hinting at earlier:

As teams look into the possibility of trading for Cardinals receiver Anquan Boldin, questions are swirling in league circles regarding whether and to what extent he might have a chronic hip condition that could result in a shorter-than-expected career. Boldin missed some time in 2007 with a hip injury. In six NFL seasons, he has played in all 16 games only twice. On one hand, this reality confirms his physical, reckless style. On the other hand, it makes the 28-year-old receiver potentially similar to a 28-year-old running back. So if/when someone swings a trade for Boldin, they might be getting a guy who only has two or three high-end years of production left. Then again, those two or three years of high-end production could help the right team win two or three Super Bowls.--profootballtalk.com

Posted by VDesai:

Here's what I was hinting at earlier:

As teams look into the possibility of trading for Cardinals receiver Anquan Boldin, questions are swirling in league circles regarding whether and to what extent he might have a chronic hip condition that could result in a shorter-than-expected career. Boldin missed some time in 2007 with a hip injury. In six NFL seasons, he has played in all 16 games only twice. On one hand, this reality confirms his physical, reckless style. On the other hand, it makes the 28-year-old receiver potentially similar to a 28-year-old running back. So if/when someone swings a trade for Boldin, they might be getting a guy who only has two or three high-end years of production left. Then again, those two or three years of high-end production could help the right team win two or three Super Bowls.--profootballtalk.com

I agree Des.. Boldin is a gamer, but let's be honest, the dude has trouble staying on the field.

i think Reese is gonna package the extra picks to move up in the 1st round personally

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i think Reese is gonna package the extra picks to move up in the 1st round personally

I get the same feeling too. I think his aim will be to move up a little to see if they can get Maualuga. I don't think the organization believe they can replace Plax playmaking ability and physical attributes with some of these guys including Edwards and Boldin.

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Posted by TMS:

i think Reese is gonna package the extra picks to move up in the 1st round personally

I get the same feeling too. I think his aim will be to move up a little to see if they can get Maualuga. I don't think the organization believe they can replace Plax playmaking ability and physical attributes with some of these guys including Edwards and Boldin.

if the price for Boldin is just a 2nd & 5th i'd definitely wanna go that route... then trade our 3rd rounder to try & move up a few slots in the 1st round... we have 10 picks in this draft... even if we gave up 2 picks to get Boldin & another to move up in the 1st round, we'd still have another 2nd round pick along w/the 1st rounder & 5 other picks in the later rounds to fill holes with.

we could come out of this draft day w/an established All Pro WR like Boldin, a top LBer prospect like Maualuga, & still have extra picks to play with.

Sal P is reporting the G-Men are high on WR prospect Darrius Heyward-Bey out of Maryland & might be trying to trade up to get him... he's a speed burner.

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Man, I'd somehow love to move up and get Crabtree.

i'm hearing reports that he's a diva & has Chad Johnson type concerns about his personality... dunno how true that is but that was mentioned on ESPN this morning, & they're saying his stock is dropping.

LOL. Thats hilarious. Jay Glazer was on with Francesa today and said the only reason Crabtree was having that label put on him is because he's in a subway commercial and it was viewed as him trying to "market" himself. What a load of ****. The dude has A+ character and is nowhere near a diva - I guarantee you that.

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Man, I'd somehow love to move up and get Crabtree.

i'm hearing reports that he's a diva & has Chad Johnson type concerns about his personality... dunno how true that is but that was mentioned on ESPN this morning, & they're saying his stock is dropping.

LOL. Thats hilarious. Jay Glazer was on with Francesa today and said the only reason Crabtree was having that label put on him is because he's in a subway commercial and it was viewed as him trying to "market" himself. What a load of ****. The dude has A+ character and is nowhere near a diva - I guarantee you that.

ok if u say so... personally i would rather have Boldin than any WR prospect in this draft including Crabtree... we CANNOT let Philly trade for that guy.

I'm gonna disagree with you on that one dude. Michael Crabtree is Larry Fitzgerald. There are very few players in the NFL already who have better hands than Crabtree and I'm telling you he's nowhere near a diva - he has no weaknesses at all. He will be an all-pro for the next 10 years.

I'll throw out a few sleepers/less discussed guys for you in the draft for tommorow and Sunday:

QB: Rhett Bomar
RB: Shonn Greene, Javon Ringer
TE: Cornelius Ingram
WR: Ramses Barden, Jarrett Dillard
OL: Max Unger, William Beatty, Eric Wood, Duke Robinson
DE: Connor Barwin, Lawrence Sidbury
DT: Jarron Gilbert
LB: Jason Williams, Jason Phillips, Scott Mckillop, Dannell Ellerbe
CB: Alphonso SMith, Sean Smith, Greg Toler, Domonique Johnson, Ladarius Webb
S: Courtney Greene, Louis Delmas, Rashad Johnson, Derek Pegues
K: Graham Gano

obviously Crabtree's stock fell cuz he wasn't the first WR taken in this draft.

i can't believe OAK didn't trade down if they didn't want Crabtree tho... they coulda easily gotten Bey lower in the draft.

[Edited by - TMS on 04-25-2009 2:40 PM]

We need to get a top flight WR today. We can't go into the season with Hixon or Smith as our #1 guys.