martin wrote:lol Dude looks 50 in the pic already

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martin wrote:lol Dude looks 50 in the pic already

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Now get me the pic of his Civic

He really does look 50 years old.

ToddTT wrote:This just showed up in my YouTube feed. So many absurd plays. Best in-game dunker, period.

I saw the video was 15 minute long and said to my self no way I'm watching this whole thing. After every amazing play I could not stop watching and ended up watching the whole thing.

smackeddog wrote:

ToddTT wrote:This just showed up in my YouTube feed. So many absurd plays. Best in-game dunker, period.

Prime T-Mac and prime Vince are two players, in retrospect, I wished I'd watched more at the time- don't think I watched many non-games in that era, and I didn't watch all the Knicks games due to circumstances (moving around a lot)

I knew Weis was a horrible pick the moment Checketts drafted him over Ron Artest and then this abomination happened:

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smackeddog wrote:

ToddTT wrote:This just showed up in my YouTube feed. So many absurd plays. Best in-game dunker, period.

Prime T-Mac and prime Vince are two players, in retrospect, I wished I'd watched more at the time- don't think I watched many non-games in that era, and I didn't watch all the Knicks games due to circumstances (moving around a lot)

I knew Weis was a horrible pick the moment Checketts drafted him over Ron Artest and then this abomination happened:

Artest was no doubt a talented young man. That was a tough draft and after that pick there was not much else. I wonder if Ron was living and playing in NYC how his career and issues could have played out? Perhaps magnified and accelerated his issues cannot ruled out. Thus, one cannot simply imply all things would have been equal. They never are.
That Weis never played in the NBA makes it easy and the risk low its obvious to even the most daft knick fan that we should have taken him. This is what hindsight can afford to say.
23 years after the fact to puff your chest out and PhilC proclaim what everyone else knows?
A bit of context: The Dunk was the summer after the draft. Vince carter was an all star his second year when he was put on the olympic team. Fred Weiss was 19 when drafted and hardly ready to play in this league. Obviously bad scouting by Tapscott. He was on the court as an olympian when he had his facial posterized. He represented his country and perhaps that is not always appreciated.
The dunk was amazing. Carter had also done that to established NBA stars then and in the years to follow.

I agree, best in game dunker! Truely gifted athlete and his longevity was impressive!. 1998 draft? Taken fifth after Olowakandi, Mike Bibby, Raef Lafranz, then Antoine Jamison. Jamison was traded for Carter. Both UNC teamates drafted 4-5 went on to have great NBA careers. As did Bibby. Raef and Kandiman lesser. This was the era of big men. Raef could shoot and these stretch guys were becoming more in vogue. Ewing was on his last gasp but his range paid him big dividends. Weis? Im inclined to consider at 7’2 his potential might have included that. He was a 19 year old euro.

Obviously I won’t defend that pick. It was a disaster and Tapscott was soon scarred by it. Weis played 11 years in europe and statistically he was not great, but he had 4 years where he was top 5 in rebounds and lead his league in blocks. Obviously was not NBA talent. I read he attempted suicide in 2008 depressed with Autistic son, marriage issues and a disappointing career. He played a few more years after. He was a 1st rounder in most mock drafts but not as high as picked. Read he and his wife reconciled and he stopped drinking.

Maybe as I get older I empathize with the humanity of the characters of our sports history. In “Blood in the garden” I have referenced the last few weeks there are pages about Charles Smith, the man, his charactor, and the effect of that play. Far worse Might say the same for Bill Buckner and the 1986 world series. Sure we hooted and tormented the “loser redsox” in the aftermath but the humanity was real. Boston fans were not kind to him either. The man had a great career and made a ton of money and one play on the biggest of stages haunted him. Few of us ever get to even step on that stage and rise to the top of our chosen professions. Yet millions get to call him a loser for one play.
IN time there was more reconciliation by fans. Perhaps we all mellow over the years.

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ToddTT wrote:This just showed up in my YouTube feed. So many absurd plays. Best in-game dunker, period.

Prime T-Mac and prime Vince are two players, in retrospect, I wished I'd watched more at the time- don't think I watched many non-games in that era, and I didn't watch all the Knicks games due to circumstances (moving around a lot)

I knew Weis was a horrible pick the moment Checketts drafted him over Ron Artest and then this abomination happened:

Yeah, Weis was a bum. Seemed like a nice guy from the interviews I've watched, but he was clearly overmatched. That said, I think there's a good chance Ron Artest ends up dead if he gets drafted by the Knicks. Ridiculous temper matched with emotional immaturity and easy access to his old stomping grounds would've been a disaster. I think the Knicks passing on Artest at that time in his life was the best thing that could've happened for the sake of all involved parties.

And Chicago was a safer area for him? Jk

Checketts drafting Weis over Artest — I don’t know how inept an executive can be. Artest was a hometown hero, a good player in college. And we passed on him to fill a 3rd string center need with a soft as Egyptian cotton euroclown

Know your history. Artest even to his admittance has struggled with the mind.
Why demonize Weis whom you don’t know a thing about? Make you feel better about yourself?
And if you know any history its well documented Ed Tapscott made the draft call that year.
“I don’t know how inept an executive can be”? Checketts was brilliant actually. His post MSG career even more so.
Why not look him up and see how inept your statement is?

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smackeddog wrote:

ToddTT wrote:This just showed up in my YouTube feed. So many absurd plays. Best in-game dunker, period.

Prime T-Mac and prime Vince are two players, in retrospect, I wished I'd watched more at the time- don't think I watched many non-games in that era, and I didn't watch all the Knicks games due to circumstances (moving around a lot)

I knew Weis was a horrible pick the moment Checketts drafted him over Ron Artest and then this abomination happened:

Yeah, Weis was a bum. Seemed like a nice guy from the interviews I've watched, but he was clearly overmatched. That said, I think there's a good chance Ron Artest ends up dead if he gets drafted by the Knicks. Ridiculous temper matched with emotional immaturity and easy access to his old stomping grounds would've been a disaster. I think the Knicks passing on Artest at that time in his life was the best thing that could've happened for the sake of all involved parties.

What stunk was when the Craptors traded Vince to the Nets to spite him (because he wanted the Knicks)- they got such a shockingly bad return, it was an absolute joke! We offered a better package, but they decided to prioritize spiting him (and us) for dogging it the whole season. I mean, look at it:

Nets trade: Alonzo Mourning, Aaron Williams, Eric Williams, two first-round draft picks (2005, 2006).

Nets acquire: Vince Carter (pictured above).

The skinny: After trading Kerry Kittles and Kenyon Martin the previous offseason, the Nets continued to retool by bringing in Carter, a perennial All-Star.

Unfortunately, the team was unable to replicate the success that led to back-to-back NBA Finals appearances in 2002 and 2003. With a core of Carter, Jason Kidd and Richard Jefferson, the Nets reached the second round of the playoffs twice. But they ran into the eventual Eastern Conference champion both times, losing to Miami in 2006 and Cleveland in 2007.

Carter, who averaged 23.6 points, 5.8 rebounds and 4.7 assists over four-plus seasons with New Jersey, was ultimately traded to Orlando in June 2009.

The Raptors wound up using the draft picks on Joey Graham (2005) and Renaldo Balkman (2006).

They even had to buy Zo out

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I’d literally accept a carton of rotten eggs for Randle at this point

Which is why your held in such high esteem by some here in the UK. Just a open book of empty pages.

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