martin wrote:

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The bulk of your posts on Covid since this pandemic started can be summed up as "Move along, nothing to see here." .

Your articles consistently downplay the severity of the pandemic. And as Dodger mentioned, a lack of concern for the loss of life. Those numbers dont seem to to register with you. You are looking at a global health crisis strictly through the prism of politics, and its pissing some posters off. Have to expect that reaction.

A great deal of this CV19 thread is bashing Trump and I’m bringing politics into things? I don’t get your point. (Jump to the voting threat and I clearly said I’m not sure who I’m voting for yet.)

Above I said “We may have more positive cases due to more testing (?), but looking at the death rate, well, this chart speaks volumes.“, how is that downplaying anything? Just like I told dodger78, I’m adding some hope. There is still a whole lot of deaths in that chart, but at least it isn’t going up anymore.

Last thing, go through this thread and tell me it is at all representative of that America right now feels. We are split as a Country, this thread is one sided. It doesn't mean I am to be treated as an enemy.

When you get a 40 out of 100 on a test (where 65 is fail mark), there are not 2 ways to look at it. There shouldn't be a side of... "hey look, we got 40 that's great, lots of room for improvement! We got all the math questions right!" Versus the other side that looks at the score and just sees failure. There are not 2 sides, just one: you failed the test.

America failed the corona test and by a wide margin. We are THE most resourceful country in the world and it's not even close. Is there hope that the death rate is slowing? Yes (in the same way that you have near terminal cancer and the spread is slowing down some). Should there be a death rate at all that is even in the realm of thousands dead a day? Nope. Hundreds? Nope.

Fucking Hong Kong has 1.1K corona positive cases, 7 dead. 7.4M people, just under the size of NYC. But for the uprisings, they would have near normal'ish life?

US is 45 times bigger than Hong Kong. Let's do the numbers on HK and extrapolate: 45K cases, 315 people dead; those are the numbers the US should have if we handled like an advanced country but we now have 2M cases, 120K dead.

There are not sides to takes on this. Florida, Texas, Arizona are seeing NYC and Italy like explosions that happened in March without the foreknowledge. Trump and the gov't KNEW this would happen and let it.

They decided lots of deaths were worth the risk of opening up. Knew that hospital rates would go up. When people swarm a hospital to capacity, families are ruined financially, death occurs (even if the RATE of death goes down).

The death rate is slowing such that there is not a 9/11 like loss every 3 days, it's now like 5 days with a mini explosion coming up soon. Hope?

The country is a cancer patient right now with Trump as the lead doctor and he keeps peeking his head in and literally not doing anything for the patient except make it worse while nurses scramble around with masks and band-aids.

Is that hope?

Frankly, the CDC website should be a good source for all of us. It is unfortunate that our gov't has bent every institution to shade to making things LOOK good while they are not. We know that reporting across states is not consistent. Florida is manipulating data (I don't have link but think someone posted it in this thread). I'm guessing that states NEED the revenue from July 4th weekend and want to keep businesses open and are doing all they can with COVID numbers to make it so.

It's unfortunate but I think the US is in need of the vaccine hail mary because we can't manage it better without.

I'm hoping Europe or even China discover a vaccine first because I think they'll be more likely to share it globally, where as Trump would try to use it for profit and power (charging a fortune, limiting which countries get it unless they do his bidding etc). Hopefully whichever country is willing to make it freely available and work cooperatively wins, in the wrong hands a lot more people could die unnecessarily.

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I do think politicians should be able to face criminal charges of gross negligence

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I live in Florida. DeSantis did nothing. It was the local mayors and boards that closed the state days before DeSatis acted. He lucked up that most local officials were ignoring Trump and him. He then opens back up the state and cases are on the rise. I don’t necessarily blame him for that but what I will say is that he needs to stop focusing on trying to take credit or trying to deflect blame and focus on just dealing with the problem. Hopefully, he will continue to do nothing because I trust my mayor more than I trust him to make those decisions.

Startling, never-before-seen images show that the new coronavirus hijacks proteins in our cells to create monstrous tentacles that branch out and may transmit infection to neighboring cells.

The finding, accompanied by evidence of potentially more effective drugs against COVID-19, published Saturday in the journal Cell by an international team of scientists.

The finding, accompanied by evidence of potentially more effective drugs against COVID-19, published Saturday in the journal Cell by an international team of scientists.

Fluorescence microscopy image of human epithelial cells taken from the colon and infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus, that causes COVID-19. The infected cells produce tentacles, known formally as filopodia ( in white) extending out from the cell surface containing viral particles (M protein in red).
By focusing on the fundamental behavior of the virus — how it hijacks key human proteins and uses them to benefit itself and harm us — the team was able to identify a family of existing drugs called kinase inhibitors that appear to offer the most effective treatment yet for COVID-19.

"We've tested a number of these kinase inhibitors and some are better than remdesivir," said Nevan Krogan, one of more than 70 authors of the new paper, and director of the Quantitative Biosciences Institute at the University of California, San Francisco.

While remdesivir has yet to be approved for use against COVID-19, U.S. regulators are allowing "emergency use" of the drug in hospitalized patients.

Krogan said tests of kinase inhibitors showed some, including Gilteritnib and Ralimetinib, required lower concentrations than remdesivir in order to kill off 50% of the virus.

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/scientists-just-beginning-to-understand-the-many-health-problems-caused-by-covid-19_n_5ef77886c5b6acab28426268

Scientists Just Beginning To Understand The Many Health Problems Caused By Covid-19

“We thought this was only a respiratory virus. Turns out, it goes after the pancreas. It goes after the heart. It goes after the liver, the brain, the kidney and other organs.
Julie Steenhuysen

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Scientists are only starting to grasp the vast array of health problems caused by the novel coronavirus, some of which may have lingering effects on patients and health systems for years to come, according to doctors and infectious disease experts.

Besides the respiratory issues that leave patients gasping for breath, the virus that causes COVID-19 attacks many organ systems, in some cases causing catastrophic damage.

“We thought this was only a respiratory virus. Turns out, it goes after the pancreas. It goes after the heart. It goes after the liver, the brain, the kidney and other organs. We didn’t appreciate that in the beginning,” said Dr. Eric Topol, a cardiologist and director of the Scripps Research Translational Institute in La Jolla, California.

In addition to respiratory distress, patients with COVID-19 can experience blood clotting disorders that can lead to strokes, and extreme inflammation that attacks multiple organ systems. The virus can also cause neurological complications that range from headache, dizziness and loss of taste or smell to seizures and confusion.

And recovery can be slow, incomplete and costly, with a huge impact on quality of life.

The broad and diverse manifestations of COVID-19 are somewhat unique, said Dr. Sadiya Khan, a cardiologist at Northwestern Medicine in Chicago.

With influenza, people with underlying heart conditions are also at higher risk of complications, Khan said. What is surprising about this virus is the extent of the complications occurring outside the lungs.

Khan believes there will be a huge healthcare expenditure and burden for individuals who have survived COVID-19.

LENGTHY REHAB FOR MANY

Patients who were in the intensive care unit or on a ventilator for weeks will need to spend extensive time in rehab to regain mobility and strength.

“It can take up to seven days for every one day that you’re hospitalized to recover that type of strength,” Khan said. “It’s harder the older you are, and you may never get back to the same level of function.”

While much of the focus has been on the minority of patients who experience severe disease, doctors increasingly are looking to the needs of patients who were not sick enough to require hospitalization, but are still suffering months after first becoming infected.

Studies are just getting underway to understand the long-term effects of infection, Jay Butler, deputy director of infectious diseases at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told reporters in a telephone briefing on Thursday.

“We hear anecdotal reports of people who have persistent fatigue, shortness of breath,” Butler said. “How long that will last is hard to say.”

While coronavirus symptoms typically resolve in two or three weeks, an estimated 1 in 10 experience prolonged symptoms, Dr. Helen Salisbury of the University of Oxford wrote in the British Medical Journal on Tuesday.

Salisbury said many of her patients have normal chest X-rays and no sign of inflammation, but they are still not back to normal.

“If you previously ran 5k three times a week and now feel breathless after a single flight of stairs, or if you cough incessantly and are too exhausted to return to work, then the fear that you may never regain your previous health is very real,” she wrote.

Dr. Igor Koralnik, chief of neuro-infectious diseases at Northwestern Medicine, reviewed current scientific literature and found about half of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 had neurological complications, such as dizziness, decreased alertness, difficulty concentrating, disorders of smell and taste, seizures, strokes, weakness and muscle pain.

Koralnik, whose findings were published in the Annals of Neurology, has started an outpatient clinic for COVID-19 patients to study whether these neurological problems are temporary or permanent.

Khan sees parallels with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. Much of the early focus was on deaths.

“In recent years, we’ve been very focused on the cardiovascular complications of HIV survivorship,” Khan said.

Reporting by Julie Steenhuysen; additional reporting by Caroline Humer and Nancy Lapid in New York; Editing by Bill Berkrot