BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

martin wrote:People respond to you all the time and you BARELY EVER RESPOND.

That's not true. He responds to black people all the time and tells them they've never experienced racism. And apparently that's okay.

Yeah I think it's ridiculous compared to those who really experienced racism and oppression.

Real quick my dad died when i was 8--fast story short--I started this life with nothing--way way way behind the 8 ball. I had to take responsibility at a very early age and with one of my best friends(who happens to be African American) we set up a monster paper route at the age of 11--and I snowballed from there in everything i did. I worked hard given nothing--went to Uconn where I played D1aa football as not a great athlete but a guy who gave effort. I made a fair amount of money very young and throughout my life have done nice things for the community my friends--my schools and many many people i have nEVER met. I once paid for an entire trip for kids--170 of them to go white water rafting--kids from all areas --I paid for 3 busses day passes lunch dinner for everyone(kids of every creed race color didnt matter and never mattered)--that is ONLY one example of things ive done as a person--I have a lifetime of helping hands whether you believe my word or not--I could care less.
Who the F are you to question my character?

You voted Trump, you wanted to kill millions of people in the Middle East and North Korea with nuclear weapons, you're racist, you believe all men sexually assault women and that that's okay, but hey, I'm sure those kids appreciated their trip!

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

martin wrote:People respond to you all the time and you BARELY EVER RESPOND.

That's not true. He responds to black people all the time and tells them they've never experienced racism. And apparently that's okay.

Yeah I think it's ridiculous compared to those who really experienced racism and oppression.

Real quick my dad died when i was 8--fast story short--I started this life with nothing--way way way behind the 8 ball. I had to take responsibility at a very early age and with one of my best friends(who happens to be African American) we set up a monster paper route at the age of 11--and I snowballed from there in everything i did. I worked hard given nothing--went to Uconn where I played D1aa football as not a great athlete but a guy who gave effort. I made a fair amount of money very young and throughout my life have done nice things for the community my friends--my schools and many many people i have nEVER met. I once paid for an entire trip for kids--170 of them to go white water rafting--kids from all areas --I paid for 3 busses day passes lunch dinner for everyone(kids of every creed race color didnt matter and never mattered)--that is ONLY one example of things ive done as a person--I have a lifetime of helping hands whether you believe my word or not--I could care less.
Who the F are you to question my character?

You voted Trump, you wanted to kill millions of people in the Middle East and North Korea with nuclear weapons, you're racist, you believe all men sexually assault women and that that's okay, but hey, I'm sure those kids appreciated their trip!

Yes Im a racist sexual predator who likes to see people die--man you hit it on the head! Oh yeah my bed sheets say "Make America Great Again and my pillow cases are confederate Flags! And lastly just because Im Jewish doesnt mean I cant love me some Neo Natzis apparel as well! I did live pretty close to David Berkowitz when i was a kid--maybe hes my long lost cousin too?

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

martin wrote:People respond to you all the time and you BARELY EVER RESPOND.

That's not true. He responds to black people all the time and tells them they've never experienced racism. And apparently that's okay.

I think perhaps BRIGGS has a lack of perspective which isn't uncommon for a large swath of the country. As i've pointed out many times the vast majority of AA's still live in the former Slave States. Even after the Great Migration of AA's to cities in the North. Most of the Majority of average Americans only have a very minimal and slanted view of what life is like for many AA's in this country. The vestiges of Segregation and Redlining having clustered many AA's together in mostly Black neighborhoods.

In Connecticut for instance they have about 470,000 AA's which ranks 23rd among all states. There are over 46 Million AA's in the country. There are about 29 States where the percentage of AA's is in the single digits. 19 States with less than 5% of the population being AA. So there are a LOT of Americans who simply don't have any frame of reference when it comes to living and working with AA's and being able to say they have some deep sense of the many similarities we all share. Especially when the bifurcated News Media tends to show AA's in a certain negative light. This is to say nothing of the Urban vs Rural divide as well.

You're more generous than I Nix. I grew up and live, white in New Jersey in homogeneous communities. It is borderline sociopathic to tell anyone what they have or have not experienced. These particular circumstances just makes it worse.

There was a distinct advantage to keeping AA's separate from White Society over the years. It allowed the Majority to be fed lies about AA's and cast them as the OTHER, which suited the needs of the Wealthy who needed cheap Black Labor. This was to the disadvantage of Poor Whites who couldn't compete with cheap Black Labor. This is also done with Hispanics of course.

Anytime Poor Whites and Blacks came together, there were those who fomented divisions to keep this from happening. As i've said this was not an accident. That's what makes our current politics so sad. We still have a small group of people doing the same dirty tricks to create division. ALL the American Poor and Middle Class need to be UNITED but things like the Kaepernick Protest are used to sow division cuz it works. This is why there's been so little progress on Race Relations in this country. IMO Trump has been playing on this in a very craven way for years!

So why the protests are not directed at this "small group of people" but at all OTHER people including pure and some symbols which are universal for this OTHERS?
Why not to identify the common enemy and attack exactly them together?

I'm sorry but I don't fully understand your post. The Protests are done to DRAW ATTENTION to the injustices and inequality. They are done so that the AVERAGE American can be made aware of things that are wrong but may not directly affect them. If you live in a community that doesn't SEE the atrocities then you would not know exactly how bad it is.

The Civil Rights Movement staged public protests to draw attention to the horrors of Segregation and Jim Crow. If they never stood up and protested things would never have changed because it didn't affect the Majority of White America. They could go about their lives just fine with the way things were. Just as unequal Justice and Law Enforcement practices that disproportionately impacted AA's and Hispanics would've just continued without protests.

I think you know full well that you can't allow a Minority group to be treated unfairly and have negative propaganda spread in an effort to make them seem LESS HUMAN!!! I think you know exactly what i'm saying and for some reason you don't apply this to the plight of minorities in this country.

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

martin wrote:People respond to you all the time and you BARELY EVER RESPOND.

That's not true. He responds to black people all the time and tells them they've never experienced racism. And apparently that's okay.

I think perhaps BRIGGS has a lack of perspective which isn't uncommon for a large swath of the country. As i've pointed out many times the vast majority of AA's still live in the former Slave States. Even after the Great Migration of AA's to cities in the North. Most of the Majority of average Americans only have a very minimal and slanted view of what life is like for many AA's in this country. The vestiges of Segregation and Redlining having clustered many AA's together in mostly Black neighborhoods.

In Connecticut for instance they have about 470,000 AA's which ranks 23rd among all states. There are over 46 Million AA's in the country. There are about 29 States where the percentage of AA's is in the single digits. 19 States with less than 5% of the population being AA. So there are a LOT of Americans who simply don't have any frame of reference when it comes to living and working with AA's and being able to say they have some deep sense of the many similarities we all share. Especially when the bifurcated News Media tends to show AA's in a certain negative light. This is to say nothing of the Urban vs Rural divide as well.

You're more generous than I Nix. I grew up and live, white in New Jersey in homogeneous communities. It is borderline sociopathic to tell anyone what they have or have not experienced. These particular circumstances just makes it worse.

There was a distinct advantage to keeping AA's separate from White Society over the years. It allowed the Majority to be fed lies about AA's and cast them as the OTHER, which suited the needs of the Wealthy who needed cheap Black Labor. This was to the disadvantage of Poor Whites who couldn't compete with cheap Black Labor. This is also done with Hispanics of course.

Anytime Poor Whites and Blacks came together, there were those who fomented divisions to keep this from happening. As i've said this was not an accident. That's what makes our current politics so sad. We still have a small group of people doing the same dirty tricks to create division. ALL the American Poor and Middle Class need to be UNITED but things like the Kaepernick Protest are used to sow division cuz it works. This is why there's been so little progress on Race Relations in this country. IMO Trump has been playing on this in a very craven way for years!

So why the protests are not directed at this "small group of people" but at all OTHER people including pure and some symbols which are universal for this OTHERS?
Why not to identify the common enemy and attack exactly them together?

I'm sorry but I don't fully understand your post. The Protests are done to DRAW ATTENTION to the injustices and inequality. They are done so that the AVERAGE American can be made aware of things that are wrong but may not directly affect them. If you live in a community that doesn't SEE the atrocities then you would not know exactly how bad it is.

The Civil Rights Movement staged public protests to draw attention to the horrors of Segregation and Jim Crow. If they never stood up and protested things would never have changed because it didn't affect the Majority of White America. They could go about their lives just fine with the way things were. Just as unequal Justice and Law Enforcement practices that disproportionately impacted AA's and Hispanics would've just continued without protests.

I think you know full well that you can't allow a Minority group to be treated unfairly and have negative propaganda spread in an effort to make them seem LESS HUMAN!!! I think you know exactly what i'm saying and for some reason you don't apply this to the plight of minorities in this country.

To make it simple - my question is why the protest cannot be done the way it is not offending to people who are not responsible for the thing protest is about?
Why not just make a speech after the anthem against police brutality, white supremacists, practices used to discriminate black Americans in Southern states and such?
Like Step Curry need to address the crowd at season opening about the season and such, instead he will talk about this issues out of script.
Do you think offending many people and make them choose between solidarity with fellow Americans of other race and patriotism is better attention grabber?
How it is better that being Trump? Same tactics.

arkrud wrote:To make it simple - my question is why the protest cannot be done the way it is not offending to people who are not responsible for the thing protest is about?

Here's the answer, you're missing the point.

It's not a protest against a handful of police officers who have committed these acts. Is not a protest against the individual jurors that have acquitted these police officers or the individual District Attorneys Offices that have not brought charges. It is a protest against an environment in which these things can repeatedly occur and is rationalized.

Now imagine yourself on the other side of this issue - that's the definition of empathy.

Imagine having a perspective in which a group of people are seemingly more offended by the actions of a handful of athletes kneeling than they are a handful of police officers shooting, beating and choking?

Think about what you just asked - why can't you protest in a way doesn't offend me? So how are you showing that you're offended by what they're protesting?

This is the macro nature of the protest that's going over people's heads - that's what's drawing an impassioned response is the kneeling more than the killing.

'But I didn't kill anybody so don't offend me' is an unfortunate, self-possessed response.

Until you can at least try to understand even if not ultimately agree with that point of view, then you're incapable of contributing to the discourse.

BRIGGS wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

martin wrote:People respond to you all the time and you BARELY EVER RESPOND.

That's not true. He responds to black people all the time and tells them they've never experienced racism. And apparently that's okay.

Yeah I think it's ridiculous compared to those who really experienced racism and oppression.

Real quick my dad died when i was 8--fast story short--I started this life with nothing--way way way behind the 8 ball. I had to take responsibility at a very early age and with one of my best friends(who happens to be African American) we set up a monster paper route at the age of 11--and I snowballed from there in everything i did. I worked hard given nothing--went to Uconn where I played D1aa football as not a great athlete but a guy who gave effort. I made a fair amount of money very young and throughout my life have done nice things for the community my friends--my schools and many many people i have nEVER met. I once paid for an entire trip for kids--170 of them to go white water rafting--kids from all areas --I paid for 3 busses day passes lunch dinner for everyone(kids of every creed race color didnt matter and never mattered)--that is ONLY one example of things ive done as a person--I have a lifetime of helping hands whether you believe my word or not--I could care less.
Who the F are you to question my character?

You voted Trump, you wanted to kill millions of people in the Middle East and North Korea with nuclear weapons, you're racist, you believe all men sexually assault women and that that's okay, but hey, I'm sure those kids appreciated their trip!

Yes Im a racist sexual predator who likes to see people die--man you hit it on the head!

There's an important point to remain here. Not to you Briggs, you won't get it.

Briggs did clearly admit to what most reasonable people would consider sexual assault. This is not exaggeration, this is not putting words into anyone's mouth. He outright wrote that all men have grabbed women by the pussies, going so far as to say if they deny they ever have they are lying.

So what's happening HERE is an example of how Trump has been corrosive to the discourse. Under any other circumstances, that acknowledgment would and should be universally repudiated and get you kicked out of a community with any reasonable standards.

But not anymore, the very definition of what a sexual assault has been perversely twisted in a political way - whether grabbing a woman in the most invasive way possible is NO WAY a conservative versus liberal or democratic versus republican issue, yet somehow it now is. Somehow defending those actions and/or arguing with the definition is just an alternative viewpoint and it's important that we must hear from both sides, which of course is bull****.

Think about it - what is sexual assault is no longer an objective thing - it falls along party lines.

And places like this forum is letting it happen.

Knickoftime wrote:

arkrud wrote:To make it simple - my question is why the protest cannot be done the way it is not offending to people who are not responsible for the thing protest is about?

Here's the answer, you're missing the point.

It's not a protest against a handful of police officers who have committed these acts. Is not a protest against the individual jurors that have acquitted these police officers or the individual District Attorneys Offices that have not brought charges. It is a protest against an environment in which these things can repeatedly occur and is rationalized.

Now imagine yourself on the other side of this issue - that's the definition of empathy.

Imagine having a perspective in which a group of people are seemingly more offended by the actions of a handful of athletes kneeling than they are a handful of police officers shooting, beating and choking?

Think about what you just asked - why can't you protest in a way doesn't offend me? So how are you showing that you're offended by what they're protesting?

This is the macro nature of the protest that's going over people's heads - that's what's drawing an impassioned response is the kneeling more than the killing.

'But I didn't kill anybody so don't offend me' is an unfortunate, self-possessed response.

Until you can at least try to understand even if not ultimately agree with that point of view, then you're incapable of contributing to the discourse.

So basically what you are implying that anthem and all patriotic sht around it is not as important as people being killed by police because they are black.
I have to agree with you because I do not care much about patriotism. Had it enough in Soviet Union to be sick of any kind of it.
But I personally new a lot of Americans who are very seriously offended by this while being very supportive and emphatical to minorities problems.
Now they feel betrayed and disengaged. Also what you will say if some players will come waiving confederate flag?
Do they have a right to have their point presented loud and clear on very popular platform?
Who planted the wind harvesting the storm.

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

martin wrote:People respond to you all the time and you BARELY EVER RESPOND.

That's not true. He responds to black people all the time and tells them they've never experienced racism. And apparently that's okay.

I think perhaps BRIGGS has a lack of perspective which isn't uncommon for a large swath of the country. As i've pointed out many times the vast majority of AA's still live in the former Slave States. Even after the Great Migration of AA's to cities in the North. Most of the Majority of average Americans only have a very minimal and slanted view of what life is like for many AA's in this country. The vestiges of Segregation and Redlining having clustered many AA's together in mostly Black neighborhoods.

In Connecticut for instance they have about 470,000 AA's which ranks 23rd among all states. There are over 46 Million AA's in the country. There are about 29 States where the percentage of AA's is in the single digits. 19 States with less than 5% of the population being AA. So there are a LOT of Americans who simply don't have any frame of reference when it comes to living and working with AA's and being able to say they have some deep sense of the many similarities we all share. Especially when the bifurcated News Media tends to show AA's in a certain negative light. This is to say nothing of the Urban vs Rural divide as well.

You're more generous than I Nix. I grew up and live, white in New Jersey in homogeneous communities. It is borderline sociopathic to tell anyone what they have or have not experienced. These particular circumstances just makes it worse.

There was a distinct advantage to keeping AA's separate from White Society over the years. It allowed the Majority to be fed lies about AA's and cast them as the OTHER, which suited the needs of the Wealthy who needed cheap Black Labor. This was to the disadvantage of Poor Whites who couldn't compete with cheap Black Labor. This is also done with Hispanics of course.

Anytime Poor Whites and Blacks came together, there were those who fomented divisions to keep this from happening. As i've said this was not an accident. That's what makes our current politics so sad. We still have a small group of people doing the same dirty tricks to create division. ALL the American Poor and Middle Class need to be UNITED but things like the Kaepernick Protest are used to sow division cuz it works. This is why there's been so little progress on Race Relations in this country. IMO Trump has been playing on this in a very craven way for years!

So why the protests are not directed at this "small group of people" but at all OTHER people including pure and some symbols which are universal for this OTHERS?
Why not to identify the common enemy and attack exactly them together?

I'm sorry but I don't fully understand your post. The Protests are done to DRAW ATTENTION to the injustices and inequality. They are done so that the AVERAGE American can be made aware of things that are wrong but may not directly affect them. If you live in a community that doesn't SEE the atrocities then you would not know exactly how bad it is.

The Civil Rights Movement staged public protests to draw attention to the horrors of Segregation and Jim Crow. If they never stood up and protested things would never have changed because it didn't affect the Majority of White America. They could go about their lives just fine with the way things were. Just as unequal Justice and Law Enforcement practices that disproportionately impacted AA's and Hispanics would've just continued without protests.

I think you know full well that you can't allow a Minority group to be treated unfairly and have negative propaganda spread in an effort to make them seem LESS HUMAN!!! I think you know exactly what i'm saying and for some reason you don't apply this to the plight of minorities in this country.

To make it simple - my question is why the protest cannot be done the way it is not offending to people who are not responsible for the thing protest is about?
Why not just make a speech after the anthem against police brutality, white supremacists, practices used to discriminate black Americans in Southern states and such?
Like Step Curry need to address the crowd at season opening about the season and such, instead he will talk about this issues out of script.
Do you think offending many people and make them choose between solidarity with fellow Americans of other race and patriotism is better attention grabber?
How it is better that being Trump? Same tactics.

Sure you have it figured out whereas Ghandi, Martin Luther King and Mandela didn't know what they were doing. You seem to be unaware of the fact that ALL FORMS of effort to bring attention to the problems with Law Enforcement and minorities have been used all along but Kaepernick's protest put it in face of the MAJORITY. They couldn't just ignore it or miss it cuz they don't look at Black or Hispanic Media!!!

The BIG LIE is that there's a form of protest that minorities could do that would be fully productive and at the same time acceptable to those who are unhappy with the form of protest.

Also I HATE the fact that rather than being offended these other Americans should seek to educate themselves about the reason for the protest. They take offense in IGNORANCE and why should that be acceptable?

Also there are those who push a false narrative of just what the protest is about. These people have their own RACIST agenda and don't really care why the protest is happening. You refuse to accept that there's STILL a very real strain of racism in this country.

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nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

martin wrote:People respond to you all the time and you BARELY EVER RESPOND.

That's not true. He responds to black people all the time and tells them they've never experienced racism. And apparently that's okay.

I think perhaps BRIGGS has a lack of perspective which isn't uncommon for a large swath of the country. As i've pointed out many times the vast majority of AA's still live in the former Slave States. Even after the Great Migration of AA's to cities in the North. Most of the Majority of average Americans only have a very minimal and slanted view of what life is like for many AA's in this country. The vestiges of Segregation and Redlining having clustered many AA's together in mostly Black neighborhoods.

In Connecticut for instance they have about 470,000 AA's which ranks 23rd among all states. There are over 46 Million AA's in the country. There are about 29 States where the percentage of AA's is in the single digits. 19 States with less than 5% of the population being AA. So there are a LOT of Americans who simply don't have any frame of reference when it comes to living and working with AA's and being able to say they have some deep sense of the many similarities we all share. Especially when the bifurcated News Media tends to show AA's in a certain negative light. This is to say nothing of the Urban vs Rural divide as well.

You're more generous than I Nix. I grew up and live, white in New Jersey in homogeneous communities. It is borderline sociopathic to tell anyone what they have or have not experienced. These particular circumstances just makes it worse.

There was a distinct advantage to keeping AA's separate from White Society over the years. It allowed the Majority to be fed lies about AA's and cast them as the OTHER, which suited the needs of the Wealthy who needed cheap Black Labor. This was to the disadvantage of Poor Whites who couldn't compete with cheap Black Labor. This is also done with Hispanics of course.

Anytime Poor Whites and Blacks came together, there were those who fomented divisions to keep this from happening. As i've said this was not an accident. That's what makes our current politics so sad. We still have a small group of people doing the same dirty tricks to create division. ALL the American Poor and Middle Class need to be UNITED but things like the Kaepernick Protest are used to sow division cuz it works. This is why there's been so little progress on Race Relations in this country. IMO Trump has been playing on this in a very craven way for years!

So why the protests are not directed at this "small group of people" but at all OTHER people including pure and some symbols which are universal for this OTHERS?
Why not to identify the common enemy and attack exactly them together?

I'm sorry but I don't fully understand your post. The Protests are done to DRAW ATTENTION to the injustices and inequality. They are done so that the AVERAGE American can be made aware of things that are wrong but may not directly affect them. If you live in a community that doesn't SEE the atrocities then you would not know exactly how bad it is.

The Civil Rights Movement staged public protests to draw attention to the horrors of Segregation and Jim Crow. If they never stood up and protested things would never have changed because it didn't affect the Majority of White America. They could go about their lives just fine with the way things were. Just as unequal Justice and Law Enforcement practices that disproportionately impacted AA's and Hispanics would've just continued without protests.

I think you know full well that you can't allow a Minority group to be treated unfairly and have negative propaganda spread in an effort to make them seem LESS HUMAN!!! I think you know exactly what i'm saying and for some reason you don't apply this to the plight of minorities in this country.

To make it simple - my question is why the protest cannot be done the way it is not offending to people who are not responsible for the thing protest is about?
Why not just make a speech after the anthem against police brutality, white supremacists, practices used to discriminate black Americans in Southern states and such?
Like Step Curry need to address the crowd at season opening about the season and such, instead he will talk about this issues out of script.
Do you think offending many people and make them choose between solidarity with fellow Americans of other race and patriotism is better attention grabber?
How it is better that being Trump? Same tactics.

Sure you have it figured out whereas Ghandi, Martin Luther King and Mandela didn't know what they were doing. You seem to be unaware of the fact that ALL FORMS of effort to bring attention to the problems with Law Enforcement and minorities have been used all along but Kaepernick's protest put it in face of the MAJORITY. They couldn't just ignore it or miss it cuz they don't look at Black or Hispanic Media!!!

The BIG LIE is that there's a form of protest that minorities could do that would be fully productive and at the same time acceptable to those who are unhappy with the form of protest.

Also I HATE the fact that rather than being offended these other Americans should seek to educate themselves about the reason for the protest. They take offense in IGNORANCE and why should that be acceptable?

Also there are those who push a false narrative of just what the protest is about. These people have their own RACIST agenda and don't really care why the protest is happening. You refuse to accept that there's STILL a very real strain of racism in this country.

You are very generous about people.
Most of them are not inclined to educate them-self regardless of their race.
The only suffering site from this attention grab will be sports and what still remained from the inter-racial harmony it creates.

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