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Pharzeone
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6/20/2005  4:45 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by fishmike:
No// Layden flew to China 1200 times to meet with a player he had a 2.5% chance of drafting.

Yes! And then got all downcast when he didn't win the lottery, like his strategy had been foiled. I remember distinctly thinking what in the world is up with this????
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Miss your post Marv. yep. That was one of the funniest things I ever saw on lottery nite. The man thought he was hoodwink I believe. Maybe he was, because even Yao was talking like he was going to be a Knick. I remember the mess with JVG working him out and the protesting it because JVG was still under MSG contract. Funny stuff.
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6/20/2005  4:48 PM
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You think he could fall to 30 and IT expects that, and that's why he's been looking into him so much? Possibly to get him with the 30th pick and not the 8th? I mean, he can't be so stupid and make it as obvious as he has been. Even Layden didn't make things obvious like this, when it came to the draft.
Layden worked out Yao Ming before the lottery. He got it into his head that the Knicks were destined to land the top picks in lottery. I remember he was also thinking about working out Jay Williams. It was funny and sad, on draft nite when the Knicks got their 7th pick. To me that left little doubt who Layden wanted. No surprise he agrees to trade the pick. I think that pretty much counts for announcing to the world who you are going to take.

He starphuched without actually having the player. It was brilliant! He got free exposure for the product. Remember a Van gundy was unemployed, but we were paying his salary and dolan freaked when Jeff got to run his workouts? Then He ends up coaching him after all!

Jeff got his man after all! ANd 5 mil a year to do it!
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6/20/2005  4:52 PM
Posted by fishmike:

how would you feel about us taking Frye at 8? Ho-hum? Excited? Pissed?

Thanks for the feedback.

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6/20/2005  5:04 PM
Posted by fishmike:

how would you feel about us taking Frye at 8? Ho-hum? Excited? Pissed?

Thanks for the feedback.

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I wouldn't be pissed but I wouldn't be very excited either. If our team was in, say, the Cavs position, where we were emerging and were one good player away from contending in the playoffs, I'd be happy with Frye. the problem is we are in an awful financial position and trading expiring contracts just tends to make the situation worsewhen you have a bad team, even if we get more talent in the short run. That's why I think our best chance of jumping back into conention is to draft a superstar - someone like Gerald Green or even Granger who I think can be the next Paul Pierce. Channing is a good player and I think he will contribute - he won't have the tim thomas problem because I don't think he is lazy and takes games off - i think it's more that he was outplayed and outmuscled by stronger players (Ike) or teams with good team rebounding (washington). That said, with some more muscle he has a chance to be a solid playter - if he can give us 14/9 and 2 blocks and be a good intimidating defender, maybe like a skinnier Rasheed, I'd be pretty happy - I am just afraid he'll turn into an 8/7 type or another Calvin Booth. I wouldn't pick Frye just because I think we need a superstar talent here to get us into contention, but I'd much rather have Frye than a guy with no heart like Chris Taft.
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6/20/2005  5:05 PM
Posted by fishmike:

how would you feel about us taking Frye at 8? Ho-hum? Excited? Pissed?

Thanks for the feedback.

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6/20/2005  7:20 PM
Posted by nyballer:
Posted by fishmike:

how would you feel about us taking Frye at 8? Ho-hum? Excited? Pissed?

Thanks for the feedback.

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I wouldn't be pissed but I wouldn't be very excited either. If our team was in, say, the Cavs position, where we were emerging and were one good player away from contending in the playoffs, I'd be happy with Frye. the problem is we are in an awful financial position and trading expiring contracts just tends to make the situation worsewhen you have a bad team, even if we get more talent in the short run. That's why I think our best chance of jumping back into conention is to draft a superstar - someone like Gerald Green or even Granger who I think can be the next Paul Pierce. Channing is a good player and I think he will contribute - he won't have the tim thomas problem because I don't think he is lazy and takes games off - i think it's more that he was outplayed and outmuscled by stronger players (Ike) or teams with good team rebounding (washington). That said, with some more muscle he has a chance to be a solid playter - if he can give us 14/9 and 2 blocks and be a good intimidating defender, maybe like a skinnier Rasheed, I'd be pretty happy - I am just afraid he'll turn into an 8/7 type or another Calvin Booth. I wouldn't pick Frye just because I think we need a superstar talent here to get us into contention, but I'd much rather have Frye than a guy with no heart like Chris Taft.

nyballer, what school are you in? And also, if we did something like drafted Gerald Green, Granger or Joey Grahem (Or heck, Bynum) with the 8th pick, traded for another first round pick (Somewhere in the teens maybe) and Channing slipped to there what would you think of that? And would you support the Knicks taking a strong look at Diogu or Wayne Simien?
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6/20/2005  7:49 PM
Damn, yall make it seem if we add Channing its the end of the franchise. All the draft sites have him moving up the board for a reason. I know the chance of getting a future Shaq is always tempting but as of right now Frye is better than Bynum. And if Zeke is in question of his job security he will pick the better center in Frye. I want Channing Frye wearing the White Orange and Blue.
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6/20/2005  9:32 PM
yall make it seem if we add Channing its the end of the franchise
A few Isiah bashers here each take their turns formulating worse and worse scenarios. We saw the same thing happen at the trade deadline when Mo Taylor ruined the next decade for the franchise.
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6/21/2005  10:45 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by nyballer:
Posted by fishmike:

how would you feel about us taking Frye at 8? Ho-hum? Excited? Pissed?

Thanks for the feedback.

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I wouldn't be pissed but I wouldn't be very excited either. If our team was in, say, the Cavs position, where we were emerging and were one good player away from contending in the playoffs, I'd be happy with Frye. the problem is we are in an awful financial position and trading expiring contracts just tends to make the situation worsewhen you have a bad team, even if we get more talent in the short run. That's why I think our best chance of jumping back into conention is to draft a superstar - someone like Gerald Green or even Granger who I think can be the next Paul Pierce. Channing is a good player and I think he will contribute - he won't have the tim thomas problem because I don't think he is lazy and takes games off - i think it's more that he was outplayed and outmuscled by stronger players (Ike) or teams with good team rebounding (washington). That said, with some more muscle he has a chance to be a solid playter - if he can give us 14/9 and 2 blocks and be a good intimidating defender, maybe like a skinnier Rasheed, I'd be pretty happy - I am just afraid he'll turn into an 8/7 type or another Calvin Booth. I wouldn't pick Frye just because I think we need a superstar talent here to get us into contention, but I'd much rather have Frye than a guy with no heart like Chris Taft.

nyballer, what school are you in? And also, if we did something like drafted Gerald Green, Granger or Joey Grahem (Or heck, Bynum) with the 8th pick, traded for another first round pick (Somewhere in the teens maybe) and Channing slipped to there what would you think of that? And would you support the Knicks taking a strong look at Diogu or Wayne Simien?

i'm at stanford...if we got one of those wing players and THEN got frye i'd be really happy because I think he can be a good player if he has some good players around him, especially defensively and on the pick and roll. If we could clear out the glut at PF, maybe by trading sweetney, malik, and mo taylor, I'd definitely want to take diogu. but at this point I think he'd be stuck on the bench, and we'd probably end up cutting Sweetney's time and neither of them would really blossom. Wayne Simien is another player I'd take a strong look at, but in that scenario I'd rather take Frye and then with the 30th pick take Turiaf, especially because I could see Turiaf and Frye forming a good 4-5 combination.
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6/21/2005  10:57 AM
were you there when Curtis Borchardt was there? Here was a guy that was 7 feet with multiple foot injuries, yet still average over 11 boards and 3 blocks. Yes they are just stats, but to me a guy like Frye should be getting 10 a game without even trying.
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6/21/2005  11:20 AM
Posted by fishmike:

were you there when Curtis Borchardt was there? Here was a guy that was 7 feet with multiple foot injuries, yet still average over 11 boards and 3 blocks. Yes they are just stats, but to me a guy like Frye should be getting 10 a game without even trying.
nah, I was a freshman last year so I didn't get to see him at Stanford, though I do remember him from college basketball a few years ago. Channing isn't as big as Curtis so he tends to get pushed around more. That's one of the reasons he's shooting up the board, with his added muscle he should be able to compensate for one of his glaring weaknesses.
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6/21/2005  12:24 PM
Posted by nyballer:
Posted by fishmike:

were you there when Curtis Borchardt was there? Here was a guy that was 7 feet with multiple foot injuries, yet still average over 11 boards and 3 blocks. Yes they are just stats, but to me a guy like Frye should be getting 10 a game without even trying.
nah, I was a freshman last year so I didn't get to see him at Stanford, though I do remember him from college basketball a few years ago. Channing isn't as big as Curtis so he tends to get pushed around more. That's one of the reasons he's shooting up the board, with his added muscle he should be able to compensate for one of his glaring weaknesses.

Borchardt is another guy who was derailed by multiple injuries. I mean, I don't trust guys like Borchardt anyway: guys who were able to dominate based on size and strength in college, but can't do anything when the size and strength levels go up in the NBA. A guy like Channing is adding strength, which is good, but that's never been his game - that's part of why I don't think he'll struggle in the league. I don't think he'll have to change his game at all. I could see him coming in and averaging 13-15ppg and 8rpg and 2 blocks pretty much right off the bat. I don't think you can say that about a lot of the bigs in this draft. Even Bogut is going to have a hellacious adjustment period. Maybe I'm totally wrong...we'll see, I guess...
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6/21/2005  12:33 PM
I hope so... I dont care about numbers, I only care about impact. Hell... NAzr had good number. Great numbers at times, but his impact was for sheot. The guy had 20 point 15 rebound performances, but it didnt impact the game. Frye is a great fit in an uptempo lineup.. there's no doubt. But do we need him more than a Joey Graham or a Granger?

I wont hate on Frye.. I hope I havent beeb coming off that way. I just want to see a plan that = a style of play.

Hows this scenario:
8: Frye
30 + $1.5mm for pick 19
19: Hodge

Then you add a 6'6 and a 6'10 player at 2 spots with needs. Both are skinny as hell, but skilled fast players that would look very good in an uptempo style of play.
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