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Silverfuel
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4/24/2005  1:47 PM
Posted by Bobby:

i'll take shaq's promise
what is his promise? I guess I have been out of touch.
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4/24/2005  2:36 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Bobby:

i'll take shaq's promise
what is his promise? I guess I have been out of touch.

Me too, then. I guess its winning the championship for Miami, is it?
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4/24/2005  2:56 PM
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I think there is a lot of speculation in your argument, First of all, you basicaally said with two first round picks, and improving young players in Ariza and sweetney, that the knicks are no better than a 30 win team? That doesn't seem to make sense to me. And it is really hard to measure the chances of the nets getting those players because we have no earthly Idea what the 13 teams before them are going to do. You also seemed to disregard that fact that vince has a history of visiting the IR often, Also I don't think sweetney is that far behind kristic, you are comparing talent for talent, that does not always mean you will have a better team, that is still yet to be determined, we have no clue how vince and RJ will play together and if they will negate one another more than they compliment.... Anyway, You are entitled to your opinion, I just don't agree, and as far as Houtons relevance to the conversation, I was referring to the comment that the nets made the playoffs this year and we didn't, well if we had a healthy Houston, this year, that might have been different, as far as the long term goes, I am not counting on Houston, but to count on the health of vince carter, long term is almost as risky...

The improvement of Ariza, Sweetney and Crawford has no net effect on the relative baseline between the Nets and the Knicks. And we're most certainly talking about a relative baseline if you reference argument 4 - a comparison of the Nets and Knicks. Thats is unless you think that the disparity of young talent is in our favor, but I find that implausible. Jefferson, Krstic and Planinic will improve as well, making any difference negligible. So, in fact, the projections made are based on current performance without speculation as to the future development of younger players.

Again, in terms of draftees, there are 5-6 players projected to go below 15 that will really help New Jersey. If all of them are not available, that means someone originally seen in the top-10 has dropped. Splitter, Taft, Vasquez, Martynas - any of them would also be huge for New Jersey. Regardless, the Nets won't have a problem selecting a good, complmentary player that fits their scheme.

A discussion even about the playoffs this year (and Houston's potential contribution) is tengential because neither team can win the championship. So, the issue doesn't relate to the 4 points outlined.

I agree that an injury to VC is a concern but his current play inspires confidence. The incidence of injury to Vince appears just as likely as one to any other superstar.

I agree, neither team is poised to win a ring anytime soon, but I still like the knicks future, I like ariza, craw and sweetney, and I like IT eye for drafting talent... anyway, we all know any player can get hurt, but we are talking about vince's fragile physical history, that can't be ignored, and if my money were on any player getting hurt and missing significant games next year, I would bet on vince...
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4/24/2005  6:05 PM
1 down 3 to go.
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4/24/2005  6:24 PM
Posted by Marv:

1 down 3 to go.

hahaha this is what they get for wanting to make the playoffs and play Miami
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4/24/2005  6:33 PM
Posted by tkf:


we are talking about vince's fragile physical history, that can't be ignored, and if my money were on any player getting hurt and missing significant games next year, I would bet on vince...

I don't buy that. Its scrambling for something to blame. Vince's body can take punishment and, at 28, he doesn't have a chronic injury. Arthritis is a chronic condition. A mechanically re-structured ankle is a chronic condition. A strained patellar tendon ("jumpers knee") is not a chronic illness when 1) diagnosed and rested quickly and 2) is free of recurring inflammation. Vince's atleticism is still top-notch - real tendon damage doesn't go unnoticed.
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4/24/2005  6:39 PM
Posted by Marv:

1 down 3 to go.

Hopefully, they go quietly. But, Jefferson looked good out there. Expect him to be be a force by game 3. Like I mentioned before, I think he can check Wade. And the Jones bros., as I said previously, need to be effective. But D. Jones won't have 30 in game 2. I guarantee it.
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4/24/2005  7:35 PM
Posted by Knicksfan:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Bobby:

i'll take shaq's promise
what is his promise? I guess I have been out of touch.

Me too, then. I guess its winning the championship for Miami, is it?

yep....winning a champioship for miami
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4/24/2005  8:45 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by tkf:


we are talking about vince's fragile physical history, that can't be ignored, and if my money were on any player getting hurt and missing significant games next year, I would bet on vince...

I don't buy that. Its scrambling for something to blame. Vince's body can take punishment and, at 28, he doesn't have a chronic injury. Arthritis is a chronic condition. A mechanically re-structured ankle is a chronic condition. A strained patellar tendon ("jumpers knee") is not a chronic illness when 1) diagnosed and rested quickly and 2) is free of recurring inflammation. Vince's atleticism is still top-notch - real tendon damage doesn't go unnoticed.


If vince's body can take so much punishment then why in the heck has he been injured so many games the past few years, why does it seem everytime vince hits the floor he breaks?
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4/24/2005  8:49 PM
Posted by codeunknown:
Posted by Marv:

1 down 3 to go.

Hopefully, they go quietly. But, Jefferson looked good out there. Expect him to be be a force by game 3. Like I mentioned before, I think he can check Wade. And the Jones bros., as I said previously, need to be effective. But D. Jones won't have 30 in game 2. I guarantee it.

No D jones doesn't need to get 30, and he probably won't again, but miami didn't win all these game with him scoring 30, so that is no problem, but the key is here, will shaq continue to only score 17? that is the key.. the nets are in trouble, they have to triple team shaq and Jones shoots damn near 50% or better from 3, if he is open all game like that he is going to go bannas. Kristic is shooting jumpers and collins is playing like the scrub he is. I mean even alonzo is having his way.. The nets as I said before have no Skilled size that can even score in the paint vs miami... This has a chance of gettin ugly, and oh, the nets have no one to guard wade... No one..
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4/24/2005  8:56 PM
Posted by tkf:

I mean even alonzo is having his way.. The nets as I said before have no Skilled size that can even score in the paint vs miami... This has a chance of gettin ugly, and oh, the nets have no one to guard wade... No one..
This should be a fun series. We should change the thread title to "I'm glad the Nets are gonna lose"

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 04/24/2005 20:57:18]
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4/24/2005  9:17 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by tkf:

I mean even alonzo is having his way.. The nets as I said before have no Skilled size that can even score in the paint vs miami... This has a chance of gettin ugly, and oh, the nets have no one to guard wade... No one..
This should be a fun series. We should change the thread title to "I'm glad the Nets are gonna lose"

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 04/24/2005 20:57:18]

its funny, how the nets, kidd and jefferson in general, don't look so damn ****y now that they are getting their heads handed to them... wade and shaq won't put up with that.. not at all...LOL..
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4/25/2005  4:09 AM
Posted by tkf:


If vince's body can take so much punishment then why in the heck has he been injured so many games the past few years, why does it seem everytime vince hits the floor he breaks?

Well, Vince hit the floor a number of times today and, as far as I can tell, he's still in one piece. He's had one significant injury. Thats it.
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4/26/2005  10:56 PM
2 down!
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4/26/2005  11:10 PM
Posted by MinsHeartsReezy:

2 down!
I predicted the nets would be lucky to win one game, well I might change that. The nets will be lucky to stay within single digits at least one game.....

2 down, 2 more azz whoopings to go...
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4/26/2005  11:19 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by MinsHeartsReezy:

2 down!
I predicted the nets would be lucky to win one game, well I might change that. The nets will be lucky to stay within single digits at least one game.....

2 down, 2 more azz whoopings to go...

thats the spirit!
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4/28/2005  10:56 PM
Lost another! In OVERTIME...MMMUUuhAhaHAhHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA
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4/28/2005  11:08 PM
Posted by MinsHeartsReezy:

Lost another! In OVERTIME...MMMUUuhAhaHAhHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA

In double OT yet!!!!

The chumps!!!!

MMMUUuhAhaHAhHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
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4/29/2005  12:28 AM
you gotta love it!!!!!!1
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4/29/2005  7:52 AM
the Nets are an example of a team with a plan, and after that a backup plan. They admittedly made a mistake letting Kenyon go. Then Kidd goes down early and they are 10 games under before the first month is over. Then RJ missed more than half the season. Rather then rush Kidd back (cough cough Houston and McDyess) they play him his 15,20,25,30 minute intervals going the "safe" route. They make a trade for Carter, dont comprimise their future, play great down the stretch and still make the playoffs.

Yes.. they are going to get squashed just like we did last year but they have size, great players, flexibility and they really are one player away. They dont have one bad contract on that team.

Kinda makes you wonder what our plan is...
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I'm glad the Nets won....

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