BlueKnickers wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:3rd in offense and 7th in defense. If we can get that defense to 5 by end of year, it will be a contender for sure.

Even 3 and 7 is perfectly adequate! And yet the defense does have room to grow. With Deuce coming back too!!

I love deuce. But he takes Diawara’s minutes. Maybe that doesn’t matter this season. He is just a rookie. But the only priority besides winning a title should be developing that guy.

Deuce and Mo play different positions LOL

Deuce and Shamet will battle minutes

Disagree. Mike brown is playing his best 9 guys. Position really doesn’t matter especially at the 2,3,4 positions.

Martin is correct though. Diawara will not generally guard the same players that Deuce will guard because now the NBA is interchangeable and positionless.

This is why I carefully laid out Shamet's size and strength when talking about him and Deuce.

Even though Deuce has a good sized wingspan relative to his height, he has struggled to guard players 6'5" and higher. IOW, he really matches up with guards primarily whereas Shamet can matchup with small forwards and guards.

If there is any overlap between Diawara it is with Shamet, not Deuce.

If Diawara continues to evolve as much as he has been lately he will never lose minutes to either Deuce or Shamet. The only competition for minutes would be between Shamet and Deuce.

And Diawara's length is massive compared to either of those two. With time, as Diawara matures and gains strength his defensive potential is to guard the 3-5 positions with occasional switch-offs on guards, but it is not the other way around for Deuce. Shamet is a tweener.

The way I see it is this. The Knicks are likely over the second apron next year. Assuming the same 5 starters, you have Mitch at backup center or a direct/ cheaper replacement. Then you have Alvarado who is a backup PG. He’s coming back. So that leaves 2 rotation spots when the team is fully healthy. McBride, Shamet and Diawara all operate as 3&D players throughout the 2-4, just different sizes. Deuce obviously isn’t playing the 3 or 4, but when he’s in, they play Hart or Bridges up a position. Same with Shamet except he’s playing more of a wing. And Diawara is a 3-4. So either way only 2 of them are likely coming back with the Knicks up against the wall. Diawara has to given the upside. So that leaves shamet or deuce. At this point it’s hard to keep everyone in this new apron era.

Knixkik wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:3rd in offense and 7th in defense. If we can get that defense to 5 by end of year, it will be a contender for sure.

Even 3 and 7 is perfectly adequate! And yet the defense does have room to grow. With Deuce coming back too!!

I love deuce. But he takes Diawara’s minutes. Maybe that doesn’t matter this season. He is just a rookie. But the only priority besides winning a title should be developing that guy.

Deuce and Mo play different positions LOL

Deuce and Shamet will battle minutes

Disagree. Mike brown is playing his best 9 guys. Position really doesn’t matter especially at the 2,3,4 positions.

Martin is correct though. Diawara will not generally guard the same players that Deuce will guard because now the NBA is interchangeable and positionless.

This is why I carefully laid out Shamet's size and strength when talking about him and Deuce.

Even though Deuce has a good sized wingspan relative to his height, he has struggled to guard players 6'5" and higher. IOW, he really matches up with guards primarily whereas Shamet can matchup with small forwards and guards.

If there is any overlap between Diawara it is with Shamet, not Deuce.

If Diawara continues to evolve as much as he has been lately he will never lose minutes to either Deuce or Shamet. The only competition for minutes would be between Shamet and Deuce.

And Diawara's length is massive compared to either of those two. With time, as Diawara matures and gains strength his defensive potential is to guard the 3-5 positions with occasional switch-offs on guards, but it is not the other way around for Deuce. Shamet is a tweener.

The way I see it is this. The Knicks are likely over the second apron next year. Assuming the same 5 starters, you have Mitch at backup center or a direct/ cheaper replacement. Then you have Alvarado who is a backup PG. He’s coming back. So that leaves 2 rotation spots when the team is fully healthy. McBride, Shamet and Diawara all operate as 3&D players throughout the 2-4, just different sizes. Deuce obviously isn’t playing the 3 or 4, but when he’s in, they play Hart or Bridges up a position. Same with Shamet except he’s playing more of a wing. And Diawara is a 3-4. So either way only 2 of them are likely coming back with the Knicks up against the wall. Diawara has to given the upside. So that leaves shamet or deuce. At this point it’s hard to keep everyone in this new apron era.

What makes this interesting is what if the FO decides to move on from Hart?

That opens up the mix you're describing considerably since Hart is so often guarding guys who tower over him. Diawara slots in well there.

And there may still be a decision between Shamet or Deuce which is why Deuce may go since he may cost more to retain when Shamet has filled Deuce's spot in the rotation so well.

Excess Depth say hello to Cap Limits

BlueKnickers wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:3rd in offense and 7th in defense. If we can get that defense to 5 by end of year, it will be a contender for sure.

Even 3 and 7 is perfectly adequate! And yet the defense does have room to grow. With Deuce coming back too!!

I love deuce. But he takes Diawara’s minutes. Maybe that doesn’t matter this season. He is just a rookie. But the only priority besides winning a title should be developing that guy.

Deuce and Mo play different positions LOL

Deuce and Shamet will battle minutes

Disagree. Mike brown is playing his best 9 guys. Position really doesn’t matter especially at the 2,3,4 positions.

Martin is correct though. Diawara will not generally guard the same players that Deuce will guard because now the NBA is interchangeable and positionless.

This is why I carefully laid out Shamet's size and strength when talking about him and Deuce.

Even though Deuce has a good sized wingspan relative to his height, he has struggled to guard players 6'5" and higher. IOW, he really matches up with guards primarily whereas Shamet can matchup with small forwards and guards.

If there is any overlap between Diawara it is with Shamet, not Deuce.

If Diawara continues to evolve as much as he has been lately he will never lose minutes to either Deuce or Shamet. The only competition for minutes would be between Shamet and Deuce.

And Diawara's length is massive compared to either of those two. With time, as Diawara matures and gains strength his defensive potential is to guard the 3-5 positions with occasional switch-offs on guards, but it is not the other way around for Deuce. Shamet is a tweener.

The way I see it is this. The Knicks are likely over the second apron next year. Assuming the same 5 starters, you have Mitch at backup center or a direct/ cheaper replacement. Then you have Alvarado who is a backup PG. He’s coming back. So that leaves 2 rotation spots when the team is fully healthy. McBride, Shamet and Diawara all operate as 3&D players throughout the 2-4, just different sizes. Deuce obviously isn’t playing the 3 or 4, but when he’s in, they play Hart or Bridges up a position. Same with Shamet except he’s playing more of a wing. And Diawara is a 3-4. So either way only 2 of them are likely coming back with the Knicks up against the wall. Diawara has to given the upside. So that leaves shamet or deuce. At this point it’s hard to keep everyone in this new apron era.

What makes this interesting is what if the FO decides to move on from Hart?

That opens up the mix you're describing considerably since Hart is so often guarding guys who tower over him. Diawara slots in well there.

And there may still be a decision between Shamet or Deuce which is why Deuce may go since he may cost more to retain when Shamet has filled Deuce's spot in the rotation so well.

Excess Depth say hello to Cap Limits

I’d be shocked if Hart is gone. More than anyone besides Brunson. He’s an extension of Brunson and the culture they have built. He will likely get an extension at a lower number as soon as possible. And eventually be replaced in the starting lineup but always remain a big part of the rotation.

Been enjoying the Locked On bros this year, they've been bringing it.

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martin wrote:Top 5 team stat don’t lie!

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Per my comments in Nalod's new thread, I won't believe we are a true contender until they bring defensive intensity regardless of how well they are playing on offense. I see a team that emotionally shuts down too often when their offense sputters when the correct response would be to lock in defensively, get stops and generate easy buckets to get back on track.

Our defense can be excellent, but it is like a rollercoaster sometimes. The lack of consistency on D can be maddening.

Feel like there are only a few teams in the league that other teams would rather avoid and Knicks is one of them. They got glaring weaknesses that do pop up but also they are one of the more dangerous teams that can both play you multiple ways or beat you multiple ways.

The can beat you with offense. The can gang rebound with 1 guy. They can be down 20 at the beginning of the 4th and still win.

Dangerous

martin wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:

martin wrote:Top 5 team stat don’t lie!

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Per my comments in Nalod's new thread, I won't believe we are a true contender until they bring defensive intensity regardless of how well they are playing on offense. I see a team that emotionally shuts down too often when their offense sputters when the correct response would be to lock in defensively, get stops and generate easy buckets to get back on track.

Our defense can be excellent, but it is like a rollercoaster sometimes. The lack of consistency on D can be maddening.

Feel like there are only a few teams in the league that other teams would rather avoid and Knicks is one of them. They got glaring weaknesses that do pop up but also they are one of the more dangerous teams that can both play you multiple ways or beat you multiple ways.

The can beat you with offense. The can gang rebound with 1 guy. They can be down 20 at the beginning of the 4th and still win.

Dangerous

You kind of reinforced my point.

They are dangerous.

Is being dangerous sufficient to march through 4 playoff rounds?

I consider reliable and consistent defensive intensity to be the one thing a team can control more than their scoring.

It is why DET is the top of the conference now.

And that is what it takes to win it all. Being dangerous is not enough. Every championship team in NBA history had a consistently strong defense.

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