ramtour420 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I feel like he's the same guy as Thibs, so this feels like change for the sake of change

He has had a number one offense in this league with an all star big man and an all star PG. Something that Thibs wasn't able to do. Not the same guy

Jordi Fernandez had a lot to do with that.
He is heavy PnR. Maybe improves the KAT/JB PnR.
But that always depends on PG decision making.
He had Fox having one of his best seasons in 22/23

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Not optimal when a coach is hired and then fans root for a specific assistant to be hired to help.

Only if you look at it from a weird angle.

Bringing in the best resources to your organization is always a good thing when you can. It’s a reflection on what the FO is trying to do, not necessarily an indicator of Brown.

Weird angle only if those “best resources” are not the lead assistant for the former Head Coach nor an assistant who was in the running for the job you were just hired for.

The “normal process” is for a coach to pick his own assistants. Aka, trust in the guy you just hired to put together a winning staff and one he is comfortable with. Maybe reason why Jenkins did not work out. Since that is what happened to him in Memphis and did not go well. This reeks more and more like what I have been saying. Rick and JB in charge and Dolan appeasing them with a collaborative pick.

Hey, doesn’t matter if it works and we are better. But I took off my Rose colored lenses a long time ago as a Knick fan. Or maybe it’s from being in finance for so many years. Where you see how cut throat business is. And the NBA is a huge business.

Leon and Wes did this when Thibs was hired. Make that work with the Brunson connection.

Maybe this type of thing is not of your flavor but it don’t mean it’s necessarily bad. But you went all conspiracy for no reason.

Well , my other theory in which I predicted Randle would be traded back to the Knicks fell through. So….

So if they insist on a move to keep the “Brunson connection “ happy, is that whats best for the team? For the new coach?

As for conspiracy theories, isn’t that what all fan opinions basically are?
Neither of us know why or who fired Thibs.
Nor do we know why Brown was picked or what conditions were given.
My theory leans the way it does due to the past record of our glorious owner. And the two items listed above.

Does it really matter?
Probably just here on some of these threads.
Game one is a few months away and all that will matter at the end is how much winning takes place.
My fear is that if things don’t go well, we will head closer to the pre Thibs dysfunctional Knicks where Dolan hires lackeys so he can have more say.

You were the one who brought this up as a possibility, so maybe you need to substantiate it. I think it has nothing to do with appeasing Brunson.

Think that’s what is behind collaborative narrative in Brown hiring.
Reasonable guess that it was the reason Jenkins cooled on job.
You brought up that it was done when Thibs got hired as well?

So valid question. Did adding/keeping Rick benefit the team? Maybe.
Didn’t hurt Thibs if Rick’s opinion soured on him? I think so

I really don't get this thinking.

Your thought is that "collaborative" means that the new coach much collaborate with the Brunson's on what other coaches the Knicks FO and Brown should hire?

And not the more obvious and simple version of collaboration between coaching staff and FO?

Cause that's a wild ass conspiracy theory that has no legs for me.

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GustavBahler wrote:Brown is coming in knowing what got Thibs fired. He's shown he can focus on either side of the ball. I will be very suprised if our bench plays the fewest minutes in the league again. Surprised if our recent picks are an afterthought in the offense.

Just by virtue of not playing our starters more minutes than any other team in 30 plus years will help. Using the bench which was better than the amount of PT they actually got, will help.

They may have some similarities in coaching style. Doesnt mean Brown will ignore how Thibs coached last season, and not alter his game plan accordingly.

You know what they say about trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. I dont think Brown is crazy enough to make the mistakes that got Thibs fired.

He had a great first year with the Kings and lost in the first round to the 6th seeded Warriors. Like what Thibs had to deal with playing the 76rs with Embiid coming back (except the Thib's coached team won).

Here is what Brown brings:
A new voice and fresh start (to a team with a clearly established top 7 rotation guys)
Clear expectations from the FO should set him up for success. Except it's the Knicks. And if you are Brown you are saying anything to ace that interview to get this job no matter what cause it's the phucking Knicks.

Doing what Thibs failed to do is the easy part. Play the bench, shoot more 3s, whatever you have pining for I hope you get it. Lets talk about the hard part. That's getting back to game 6 of the conference finals. This time in position to win it and maybe even a chip.

That's really the only part this poster cares about. I can find leadership and collaboration on pornhub. I wanna see the Knicks win a title. Brown is a ra-ra guy. Get em fired up. Do we need that? The Knicks record under Thibs after a loss says a lot about the culture. Maybe they need some ra-ra to get to the next level. That's my hope.

I thought folks were pining for an Xs and Os master. We got a cheerleader. He's middle tier NBA coach at best. His success with come down to personality and whether or not this group of players like the guy. That's it.

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SupremeCommander wrote:I feel like he's the same guy as Thibs, so this feels like change for the sake of change

He has had a number one offense in this league with an all star big man and an all star PG. Something that Thibs wasn't able to do. Not the same guy

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Not optimal when a coach is hired and then fans root for a specific assistant to be hired to help.

Only if you look at it from a weird angle.

Bringing in the best resources to your organization is always a good thing when you can. It’s a reflection on what the FO is trying to do, not necessarily an indicator of Brown.

Weird angle only if those “best resources” are not the lead assistant for the former Head Coach nor an assistant who was in the running for the job you were just hired for.

The “normal process” is for a coach to pick his own assistants. Aka, trust in the guy you just hired to put together a winning staff and one he is comfortable with. Maybe reason why Jenkins did not work out. Since that is what happened to him in Memphis and did not go well. This reeks more and more like what I have been saying. Rick and JB in charge and Dolan appeasing them with a collaborative pick.

Hey, doesn’t matter if it works and we are better. But I took off my Rose colored lenses a long time ago as a Knick fan. Or maybe it’s from being in finance for so many years. Where you see how cut throat business is. And the NBA is a huge business.

Leon and Wes did this when Thibs was hired. Make that work with the Brunson connection.

Maybe this type of thing is not of your flavor but it don’t mean it’s necessarily bad. But you went all conspiracy for no reason.

Well , my other theory in which I predicted Randle would be traded back to the Knicks fell through. So….

So if they insist on a move to keep the “Brunson connection “ happy, is that whats best for the team? For the new coach?

As for conspiracy theories, isn’t that what all fan opinions basically are?
Neither of us know why or who fired Thibs.
Nor do we know why Brown was picked or what conditions were given.
My theory leans the way it does due to the past record of our glorious owner. And the two items listed above.

Does it really matter?
Probably just here on some of these threads.
Game one is a few months away and all that will matter at the end is how much winning takes place.
My fear is that if things don’t go well, we will head closer to the pre Thibs dysfunctional Knicks where Dolan hires lackeys so he can have more say.

You were the one who brought this up as a possibility, so maybe you need to substantiate it. I think it has nothing to do with appeasing Brunson.

Think that’s what is behind collaborative narrative in Brown hiring.
Reasonable guess that it was the reason Jenkins cooled on job.
You brought up that it was done when Thibs got hired as well?

So valid question. Did adding/keeping Rick benefit the team? Maybe.
Didn’t hurt Thibs if Rick’s opinion soured on him? I think so

Rick has only been an assistant coach under Thibs, so he's Thibs guy...no?

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Uptown wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I feel like he's the same guy as Thibs, so this feels like change for the sake of change

I've seen this narrative and I do not think its accurate....

prolly cause Thibs is better

Brown's resume is better than Thibs resume. Brown was the head coach in the finals, something Thibs bever did. Brown was lead assistant coach that won 3 chamionships, Thibs was the lead assistant for 1. Brown has a better regular season and playoff winning %

The hope here is he's the right personality. It's a veteran squad. Yet under Thibs we did see vets have career years and show different things so it's hard to look as an "as is" situation.

I thought we wanna win a title. Does Mike Brown have a reputation for elevating teams or players? You cant spin this tell me Brown's a better coach. There's just too much data that says otherwise.

Leon has done a great job obviously. Mike Brown replacing Thibs is a classic case of inferior talent but better fit. At least that's the hope. Brown's whole MO is riding his guys and not making adjustments. His playoff record shows that. Go visit the NBA reddit and listen to Kings fans.

I can totally acknowledge the "Thibs burnout" and the FO's need to move on from him.

This is pretty disappointing hire for a team trying to win a title.

Staff.
Mark Bryant - Leading big man coach should hint at Huk and Nnaji being in the organization.
Cheeks - Another locker room guy, Brown may make him unnecessary, but he is a WWW camper, so that's unclear.
Rick Brunson - I am not really sure what he does. Seems to get into fights with opposing players. I'm a call him Brunny. Get it. Bronny. Brunny. That's funny right?

I am hoping to see a younger coach added - one that understands the modern offense approach. I'll wait and see there.

Uptown wrote:So, for those who are keeping score at home, Mike Brown wasn't resposible for the number 1 offense in the league when he coached Sac-Town, it was his assistant coach, Jordi Fernandez? Who by the way, lead the Nets to a bottom 5 offensive rating this past season....

Also, Browns trip to the finals and all the wins he had in the playoffs in Cleveland had nothing to do with Brown, that was all Lebron?

5 years of Lebron..
those teams were 1 or 2 seeds every year
3 of Mikes 5 years they got bounced in the 2nd round. 3 of 5. You happy with Cle's season this year? You happy with Boston's season this year? Both those fan bases are phucking pissed. 3 of 5 years dude. That's not good or impressive. I dont know how you spin that in Mike's favor.

His first season with Sac was cute. Lots of scoring. Bottom 5 defense. First round exit to a 6th seed.

Just hope our guys like him and work hard. That's it. This is a downgrade.

Mike's a good coach. He's not a phucking retard. He's gonna have a plan and try to connect with the guys. We have a good team. He can have success here. That's my hope.

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martin wrote:

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martin wrote:

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martin wrote:

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martin wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

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Not optimal when a coach is hired and then fans root for a specific assistant to be hired to help.

Only if you look at it from a weird angle.

Bringing in the best resources to your organization is always a good thing when you can. It’s a reflection on what the FO is trying to do, not necessarily an indicator of Brown.

Weird angle only if those “best resources” are not the lead assistant for the former Head Coach nor an assistant who was in the running for the job you were just hired for.

The “normal process” is for a coach to pick his own assistants. Aka, trust in the guy you just hired to put together a winning staff and one he is comfortable with. Maybe reason why Jenkins did not work out. Since that is what happened to him in Memphis and did not go well. This reeks more and more like what I have been saying. Rick and JB in charge and Dolan appeasing them with a collaborative pick.

Hey, doesn’t matter if it works and we are better. But I took off my Rose colored lenses a long time ago as a Knick fan. Or maybe it’s from being in finance for so many years. Where you see how cut throat business is. And the NBA is a huge business.

Leon and Wes did this when Thibs was hired. Make that work with the Brunson connection.

Maybe this type of thing is not of your flavor but it don’t mean it’s necessarily bad. But you went all conspiracy for no reason.

Well , my other theory in which I predicted Randle would be traded back to the Knicks fell through. So….

So if they insist on a move to keep the “Brunson connection “ happy, is that whats best for the team? For the new coach?

As for conspiracy theories, isn’t that what all fan opinions basically are?
Neither of us know why or who fired Thibs.
Nor do we know why Brown was picked or what conditions were given.
My theory leans the way it does due to the past record of our glorious owner. And the two items listed above.

Does it really matter?
Probably just here on some of these threads.
Game one is a few months away and all that will matter at the end is how much winning takes place.
My fear is that if things don’t go well, we will head closer to the pre Thibs dysfunctional Knicks where Dolan hires lackeys so he can have more say.

You were the one who brought this up as a possibility, so maybe you need to substantiate it. I think it has nothing to do with appeasing Brunson.

Think that’s what is behind collaborative narrative in Brown hiring.
Reasonable guess that it was the reason Jenkins cooled on job.
You brought up that it was done when Thibs got hired as well?

So valid question. Did adding/keeping Rick benefit the team? Maybe.
Didn’t hurt Thibs if Rick’s opinion soured on him? I think so

I really don't get this thinking.

Your thought is that "collaborative" means that the new coach much collaborate with the Brunson's on what other coaches the Knicks FO and Brown should hire?

And not the more obvious and simple version of collaboration between coaching staff and FO?

Cause that's a wild ass conspiracy theory that has no legs for me.

You still haven't answered why you said hiring Rick when Thins was hired was to "collaborate with the Brunson's" and how that is different than what I am saying is happening with Brown?

Do you know what was meant by the quote "that he was willing to collaborate"?
But let's dive into your view, as you stated, of what "collaborating with the FO" looks like?
Is it like Phil-Rambus collaboration?
Does that have to be really quoted? Aren't all coaches expected to be part of the FO dynamic?

I didn't, I think you read it wrong.

We are all guessing at what collaboration means. I don't think it means picking assistants by running it by the Brunson's. I think you said it above: "Think that’s what is behind collaborative narrative in Brown hiring."

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fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Brown is coming in knowing what got Thibs fired. He's shown he can focus on either side of the ball. I will be very suprised if our bench plays the fewest minutes in the league again. Surprised if our recent picks are an afterthought in the offense.

Just by virtue of not playing our starters more minutes than any other team in 30 plus years will help. Using the bench which was better than the amount of PT they actually got, will help.

They may have some similarities in coaching style. Doesnt mean Brown will ignore how Thibs coached last season, and not alter his game plan accordingly.

You know what they say about trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. I dont think Brown is crazy enough to make the mistakes that got Thibs fired.

Brown coached Lebron for 5 years. During that stint Lebron's MPG: 42, 41, 40, 37, 39
Those teams are the source for Brown's "good coaching record"

He had a great first year with the Kings and lost in the first round to the 6th seeded Warriors. Like what Thibs had to deal with playing the 76rs with Embiid coming back (except the Thib's coached team won).

Here is what Brown brings:
A new voice and fresh start (to a team with a clearly established top 7 rotation guys)
Clear expectations from the FO should set him up for success. Except it's the Knicks. And if you are Brown you are saying anything to ace that interview to get this job no matter what cause it's the phucking Knicks.

Doing what Thibs failed to do is the easy part. Play the bench, shoot more 3s, whatever you have pining for I hope you get it. Lets talk about the hard part. That's getting back to game 6 of the conference finals. This time in position to win it and maybe even a chip.

That's really the only part this poster cares about. I can find leadership and collaboration on pornhub. I wanna see the Knicks win a title. Brown is a ra-ra guy. Get em fired up. Do we need that? The Knicks record under Thibs after a loss says a lot about the culture. Maybe they need some ra-ra to get to the next level. That's my hope.

I thought folks were pining for an Xs and Os master. We got a cheerleader. He's middle tier NBA coach at best. His success with come down to personality and whether or not this group of players like the guy. That's it.

There is a big asterik that comes with those numbers because LeBron is hands down the most durable superstar to ever play the game. It was also chiefly the LeBron show in those years in Cleveland. Which is why he went to Miami.

With Thibs it isnt just one player playing record minutes, its the entire line-up.

If Brown can come up with something schematically to own at one time both the best offense and defense in the league. Shows he has a good grasp of Xs and Os.

We might not need a top 5 Xs and Os coach in the league. Its a balance between the roster and the coaching staff. We have a very talented roster, and the FO doesnt look like they're done yet. The coaching staff is a work in progress.

Im optimistic we will see a better version of this roster next season. The wins might not come as quick because we arent leaning on our starters so much. But over the course of the season I believe it will pay dividends.

sorry did Mike Brown know that when he was playing him 40+ a night? That's some real magical logic your selling there.

Nobody is more durable than Mikal. That means Thibs didnt overplay him? Josh is durable. Wild comment man.

My memory isnt what it used to be. But I believe you're forgetting what a freak of nature a young LeBron was back then. He also had trainers and medical staff who were telling Brown in real time how he was holding up.

Bridges is on a squad that was far more talented then the one Lebron was on. Which is why he was right to ask "why so many minutes"?