DLeethal wrote:I don’t think this FO is going to just go with the guy that has the best resume like Bud or Malone. I think they are likely looking for the next great coach off someone’s bench right now.

it's not just resume. they did more with less, one can argue.

I'm all for the next great coach. but as I said they need balls of steel rolling the dice on that. "Heavy lies the crown". Making the decisions and taking the blame in NYC takes a special breed

who knows maybe they hire Reggie Miller? jk

martin wrote:Leon is ice cold. Didn't think he had THIS in him.

Leon isn't here to make friends.

knickslions wrote:Leon Rose and Jay Wright are good friends

College coaches without NBA experience, too much of a risk I'd guess

That's a lot of hurdles to cross just to adapt to a different league with a team pointing towards ECF+

DLeethal wrote:The situation with Johnny Bryant and PHX and us seems very similar to the Kerr situation when GSW stole him from us

i agree, i'd be surprised if we went the big name route, I think we have made a calculated move here.

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:This terrifies me...

Damn.

Gotta bad feeling this is the precursor of a KAT for KD swap. Yuck.

I wouldn't be surprised this this type of thing pushed Leon to move Thibs out.

Leon would have already had feelers out on any of the big names being floated as moving out there and this type of thing would have moved him under the right circumstances IMHO

Suns want a center. KD wants out. Uh oh my God rooting for KD would make me nauseous and he will be 37 next November

I have to tell you, for most players I would tend to agree, but KD is not one of them. He was performing at a high level last year. He has 2 more years.

He is the same age as Steph Curry, whom you barely hear a peep about.

Durant is lots older than Tatum Lillard Kryie Ivey and others, also out for injury. Injuries can happen to anyone at any age in the NBA, except if you are LeBron.

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:Leon is ice cold. Didn't think he had THIS in him.

Leon isn't here to make friends.

Neither is Todd, so the world makes sense now.

DLeethal wrote:

VDesai wrote:I can understand, but still makes me feel terrible. Thibs rescued the team from oblivion. 5 yrs, 4 playoff appearances. Team was less than its parts this year, but hard to penalize him for only a really good year when it could have been great. Imagine that's how your job goes...thats why I feel terrible about it.

Not an obvious list of better coaches. Don't need a player's caddy. To exceed Thibs you need someone with strategic vision, analytical brilliance....who is that?

I agree with this which is why I think they have intel on the next big time coach from someone’s bench and not just going the simpleton route with Bud or Malone.

Was Thibs the simpleton route? I for one thought he would be a dud when he was hired and was rooting for Atkinson. Atkinson went sideways with the Nets; Thibs did great things here. I was seriously wrong on that

I was also seriously wrong with Randle but that's a separate issue

I'm not going to be surprised if they go with Malone or Bud, but they won't be hired based on their name or resume. They will be hired because of a serious vetting where they ask what they would do and why and go from there.

Atkinson was supposed to be someone with a vision etc but when he was with the Nets that meant race up the court and take first 3 points available. that didn't last long even if the math seemed to make sense. And then he had a great year w Cavs yet got smoked by Pacers

nycericanguy wrote:

DLeethal wrote:The situation with Johnny Bryant and PHX and us seems very similar to the Kerr situation when GSW stole him from us

i agree, i'd be surprised if we went the big name route, I think we have made a calculated move here.

Johnny Bryant and Chris Quinn seem to be the biggest names in the first time HC department

martin wrote:

knickslions wrote:Leon Rose and Jay Wright are good friends

College coaches without NBA experience, too much of a risk I'd guess

That's a lot of hurdles to cross just to adapt to a different league with a team pointing towards ECF+

He has brought over most of the Wildcat family. Why not bring dad home too?

DLeethal wrote:Leon placing the target firmly on his back now if next season doesn’t go well so I respect him for that. Keeping Thibs would have been the easy route and allowed him to keep a scapegoat in his back pocket if things didn’t go well. He’s truly going for it and putting his neck on the line.

When you frame it this way, something significant happened to make Leon move like this? Feels like it.

fishmike wrote:

VDesai wrote:So who are the best coaches:

Malone
Budenholzer
Taylor Jenkins
James Borrego
Mike Brown
Frank Vogel

2 of those guys have titles. Does anyone firmly believe that there's a mind on that list that's better than Thibs, thats more creative or better at implementing that can coax another 2 series wins out of this team?

its a shocking business call. You are paying him for 3 years and just got you to game 6 of the conference finals. Does the FO think this is a 70 win team? Just wild. Maybe it's a personality thing. I would think they have a plan, but I have been a Knick fan far to long to assume logic is in the works here

I expect a finals team next year. Go get it Leon

I think they looked at context and didn’t blindly go by end result.