Knicksfan wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Hukporti, Mitch, Kolek, Diadet. Hope to be seeing them get more minutes in the coming weeks. Mitch whenever he's ready. Im hoping the offensive rebounds Mitch snags will boost bench scoring.

They showed a clip of Thibs being asked about starter minutes after OKC. He sounded like someone who isnt going to change on his own.

He won’t. And some will defend him for that.

You can say that he is a good coach and also that his obstinacy in abusing the playing time of his starting lineup is detrimental. It has been said before. I believe he can change because he did with the offense. But will he? Nope.

Whoever disagrees, fine, but results like this are gonna keep happening and the situation will only get worse the deeper we get into the season. You can’t go through an 80+ season with just your starters and using your bench for an average 11.9 minutes. That is insane. You have to use your bench and find the right combinations that at least keep you in the game. If the bench makes mistakes, how is that different from a starting lineup breaking down like last 4th quarter and this game’s 3rd?

I believe that we can win while using the bench, however limited it is right now. But this “no youth allowed” and “at your first mistake you’re back in the bench” is ridiculous because that’s not the same measuring stick for the starters. The thing here is extending the life of the starters, which right now is going the opposite way.

Nah, but this idea is just stupid. Right? Whatever

If we get knocked out in the second round again. If it’s the same story, trying to win the regular season crown, and not having enough left for one long seven game series after another. Leon is going to have ask himself if this is the best we can do with this roster? At what point is it on the coach?

We heard that Thibs didn’t have enough talent to contend. We do now. Thibs helped right the ship, but we need more than that now.

Hukporti was playing well, turning heads, made Sims realize that he could lose his spot, and started to play better. Then that was the last we saw of Huk for the most part. You’re right about bench players being on a short leash. Too short.

LivingLegend wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

ToddTT wrote:No MRI needed. They opted for an exhaustive weightlifting session instead. 🤔

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https://www.twitter.com/NBA_NewYork/status/1875857540069925289

Thibs saw workout, pledged to play KAT more minutes.

Kat averaging 34.6 minutes this year and career average is 34.0.

Thibs really not pushing him that hard if we are being honest.

He's really pushing Mikal/OG/Hart

Mikal avg is 39.0 and career only 33.
OG avg is 36.5 and career only 29.7.
Josh avg is 37.6 and career only 29.8.

Brunson is also way over career avg but he's right where he's been ~35 MPG the last 3 years.

It's really the 3 wings he's running extra HOT.

ehh looking at career average for MPG is disingenuous at best.

Mikal and OG have been 35/36mpg their whole career since they became GOOD. No team would only play Mikal and OG 33/29mpg.

And Hart has reached another level where he should be playing 36mpg.

we also play a very slow methodical pace, I'd wager Mikal playing 39mpg this year has been less stressful than playing 35mpg as a #1 on the nets. or 36mpg on those super fast Suns teams.

DLeethal wrote:I don’t mind Mikal or Josh being a guy leading league in minutes but we shouldn’t have 3-4 of the top 5 guys in minutes all on our team lol

In a perfect world we'd cut their minutes by 1 or 2, but Mikal and Hart are ironmen who should be out there big minutes.

OG's health is always a concern but he's consistently been a 35/36mpg player for a while and he's not much higher than that this year.

Some guys are just injury prone and I don't believe playing them less really helps.

Clean wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

ToddTT wrote:No MRI needed. They opted for an exhaustive weightlifting session instead. 🤔

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/NBA_NewYork/status/1875857540069925289

Thibs saw workout, pledged to play KAT more minutes.

Kat averaging 34.6 minutes this year and career average is 34.0.

Thibs really not pushing him that hard if we are being honest.

He's really pushing Mikal/OG/Hart

Mikal avg is 39.0 and career only 33.
OG avg is 36.5 and career only 29.7.
Josh avg is 37.6 and career only 29.8.

Brunson is also way over career avg but he's right where he's been ~35 MPG the last 3 years.

It's really the 3 wings he's running extra HOT.

ehh looking at career average for MPG is disingenuous at best.

Mikal and OG have been 35/36mpg their whole career since they became GOOD. No team would only play Mikal and OG 33/29mpg.

And Hart has reached another level where he should be playing 36mpg.

we also play a very slow methodical pace, I'd wager Mikal playing 39mpg this year has been less stressful than playing 35mpg as a #1 on the nets. or 36mpg on those super fast Suns teams.

Sounds like a bunch of BS excuses to me. Fact is they are all clearly gassed in the 2nd half of games now. There is a reason for it. We was the worst team in the 4th quarter earlier in the season and these last 2 games did not help our case. We have 4 players in the top 7 minutes played this season. KAT would be there if he could stop fouling so much. We are not even half way through the season. We should not be having fatigue problems. This is the Randle situation all over again. People scared to criticize him until he is off the team. Thibs is not going to get fired. Its OK to criticize him. If he changes what he's bad at it will only make him a better coach. Even if we lose a few games while building the benches confidence it does not matter. We are losing the games now anyway due to the starters being tired. Sometimes you need to invest in future sucess instead of just trying your best to win todays game no matter what.

You really think that less than halfway into the season all our starters are "gassed" because they've played 1 or 2 more MPG at a slow pace?

Fact is Knicks are one of the top teams in the league at protecting leads and in the 2nd half, so the stats simply don't back up what you're saying.

There's no excuses to make, we've been one of the best teams in the NBA and one of the healthiest if not the healthiest.

nycericanguy wrote:

Clean wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

ToddTT wrote:No MRI needed. They opted for an exhaustive weightlifting session instead. 🤔

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/NBA_NewYork/status/1875857540069925289

Thibs saw workout, pledged to play KAT more minutes.

Kat averaging 34.6 minutes this year and career average is 34.0.

Thibs really not pushing him that hard if we are being honest.

He's really pushing Mikal/OG/Hart

Mikal avg is 39.0 and career only 33.
OG avg is 36.5 and career only 29.7.
Josh avg is 37.6 and career only 29.8.

Brunson is also way over career avg but he's right where he's been ~35 MPG the last 3 years.

It's really the 3 wings he's running extra HOT.

ehh looking at career average for MPG is disingenuous at best.

Mikal and OG have been 35/36mpg their whole career since they became GOOD. No team would only play Mikal and OG 33/29mpg.

And Hart has reached another level where he should be playing 36mpg.

we also play a very slow methodical pace, I'd wager Mikal playing 39mpg this year has been less stressful than playing 35mpg as a #1 on the nets. or 36mpg on those super fast Suns teams.

Sounds like a bunch of BS excuses to me. Fact is they are all clearly gassed in the 2nd half of games now. There is a reason for it. We was the worst team in the 4th quarter earlier in the season and these last 2 games did not help our case. We have 4 players in the top 7 minutes played this season. KAT would be there if he could stop fouling so much. We are not even half way through the season. We should not be having fatigue problems. This is the Randle situation all over again. People scared to criticize him until he is off the team. Thibs is not going to get fired. Its OK to criticize him. If he changes what he's bad at it will only make him a better coach. Even if we lose a few games while building the benches confidence it does not matter. We are losing the games now anyway due to the starters being tired. Sometimes you need to invest in future sucess instead of just trying your best to win todays game no matter what.

You really think that less than halfway into the season all our starters are "gassed" because they've played 1 or 2 more MPG at a slow pace?

Fact is Knicks are one of the top teams in the league at protecting leads and in the 2nd half, so the stats simply don't back up what you're saying.

There's no excuses to make, we've been one of the best teams in the NBA and one of the healthiest if not the healthiest.

You sure about that? You think I would just lie for no reason? You are misunderstanding the stats you are pointing to. Being the team that protects leads does not mean you are good in the 4th quarters. It can also mean your lead was so big that your terrible 4th quarters did not matter. Lets see where the Knicks rank in Point differential in the 4th quarter. Surely teams that are good in the 4th would be near the top. Since you think the Knicks are good in the 4th we should be up there. The Knicks are 25th in the league with a rock solid -48. Meaning we are terrible in the 4th. Remember this is after we just had a month vs mid and injured teams. So after going against good teams with tired players it will get even worse. You need to click the pictures to see the Knicks because twitter likes to zoom them for some reason.

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Clean wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

Clean wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

ToddTT wrote:No MRI needed. They opted for an exhaustive weightlifting session instead. 🤔

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://www.twitter.com/NBA_NewYork/status/1875857540069925289

Thibs saw workout, pledged to play KAT more minutes.

Kat averaging 34.6 minutes this year and career average is 34.0.

Thibs really not pushing him that hard if we are being honest.

He's really pushing Mikal/OG/Hart

Mikal avg is 39.0 and career only 33.
OG avg is 36.5 and career only 29.7.
Josh avg is 37.6 and career only 29.8.

Brunson is also way over career avg but he's right where he's been ~35 MPG the last 3 years.

It's really the 3 wings he's running extra HOT.

ehh looking at career average for MPG is disingenuous at best.

Mikal and OG have been 35/36mpg their whole career since they became GOOD. No team would only play Mikal and OG 33/29mpg.

And Hart has reached another level where he should be playing 36mpg.

we also play a very slow methodical pace, I'd wager Mikal playing 39mpg this year has been less stressful than playing 35mpg as a #1 on the nets. or 36mpg on those super fast Suns teams.

Sounds like a bunch of BS excuses to me. Fact is they are all clearly gassed in the 2nd half of games now. There is a reason for it. We was the worst team in the 4th quarter earlier in the season and these last 2 games did not help our case. We have 4 players in the top 7 minutes played this season. KAT would be there if he could stop fouling so much. We are not even half way through the season. We should not be having fatigue problems. This is the Randle situation all over again. People scared to criticize him until he is off the team. Thibs is not going to get fired. Its OK to criticize him. If he changes what he's bad at it will only make him a better coach. Even if we lose a few games while building the benches confidence it does not matter. We are losing the games now anyway due to the starters being tired. Sometimes you need to invest in future sucess instead of just trying your best to win todays game no matter what.

You really think that less than halfway into the season all our starters are "gassed" because they've played 1 or 2 more MPG at a slow pace?

Fact is Knicks are one of the top teams in the league at protecting leads and in the 2nd half, so the stats simply don't back up what you're saying.

There's no excuses to make, we've been one of the best teams in the NBA and one of the healthiest if not the healthiest.

You sure about that? You think I would just lie for no reason? You are misunderstanding the stats you are pointing to. Being the team that protects leads does not mean you are good in the 4th quarters. It can also mean your lead was so big that your terrible 4th quarters did not matter. Lets see where the Knicks rank in Point differential in the 4th quarter. Surely teams that are good in the 4th would be near the top. Since you think the Knicks are good in the 4th we should be up there. The Knicks are 25th in the league with a rock solid -48. Meaning we are terrible in the 4th. Remember this is after we just had a month vs mid and injured teams. So after going against good teams with tired players it will get even worse. You need to click the pictures to see the Knicks because twitter likes to zoom them for some reason.

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Couldn't agree more....Good post!

nycericanguy wrote:

DLeethal wrote:I don’t mind Mikal or Josh being a guy leading league in minutes but we shouldn’t have 3-4 of the top 5 guys in minutes all on our team lol

In a perfect world we'd cut their minutes by 1 or 2, but Mikal and Hart are ironmen who should be out there big minutes.

OG's health is always a concern but he's consistently been a 35/36mpg player for a while and he's not much higher than that this year.

Some guys are just injury prone and I don't believe playing them less really helps.

If 2-3 mins of rest wasn’t significant then every coach would play their guys 40 mins. I think 2 mins of rest in the second half of a game is significant in terms of energy and output while you’re on the court. When you play ball and are spent even 30 seconds means a lot. We’ve been having late game collapses, Brunson is making uncharacteristic sloppy turnovers, our shooting has been bad, lots of signs of fatigue and our starting lineup basically leads the league in minutes. Minutes policing in general has been overblown over the years but right now I don’t really think so.