martin wrote:I’d guess some variation on Mitch/Bogey, Deuce would be considered with picks.

Where is your line?

Switch out Mitch for Bogey and I do this in a heartbeat.

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I'd sent Mitch and someone else (current roster) rather than some of valued Knicks draft picks

How about NYK Robinson, 1 draft pick and another reliable Knick player like as Bojan Bogdanovic?

Knicksfan wrote:Mikal is a very good player. Inconsistent af, but very good.

But really, do we need him other than this Villanova narrative? The Knicks are actually in a very nice position where, if they keep their core players, looking at you OG and iHart, what they need is health. Randle coming back to his game similar to January is what this team needs right now.

He's one of the most consistent players in the league, he only struggled at times last year b/c the Nets wanted him to be a #1 which he certainly isn't. But as a #3 guy here he'd be great.

He was perfect in PHO as the #3, 17ppg guy, that's the version we'd need. And check out his game logs that season, nothing inconsistent there, his WORST shooting month was 48%

HofstraBBall wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:Deuce, bogs + 3 firsts would work if you can bring over Rokas.

maybe you can also flip Mitch to a 3rd team for another asset and re-sign Precious.

Ihart/Precious/Sims
Randle
OG/Hart
Mikal/DDV
Brunson/Rokas

Just don’t see the short memory on Mitch? We forget about his rim protection? His offensive rebounding? Hart had a good year but it can be argued he did not make much of a difference in the last series.

For me, Mikal is a “Rolephuck”.
Got an increased role and posted his lowest EFG% in his career. Rarely goes to the basket strong. (2.5 per game for career . Yet we want to give up a whole bunch of firsts for basically an older Quentin Grimes?

Priority is to resign OG and extend JB. Let’s get a role player(Bridges) from the draft or FA.

I agree Hart wasn't that good and he's become a bit overrated. He was thoroughly outplayed by a hobbled Embid and Turner. But Mitch wasn't going to make a difference either, we were just too shorthanded.

I'm keeping Mitch but if you need to trade him we have plenty of options at the C position and that's really one of the easiest positions to fill, especially at the backup.

HofstraBBall wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:Deuce, bogs + 3 firsts would work if you can bring over Rokas.

maybe you can also flip Mitch to a 3rd team for another asset and re-sign Precious.

Ihart/Precious/Sims
Randle
OG/Hart
Mikal/DDV
Brunson/Rokas

Just don’t see the short memory on Mitch? We forget about his rim protection? His offensive rebounding? Hart had a good year but it can be argued he did not make much of a difference in the last series.

For me, Mikal is a “Rolephuck”.
Got an increased role and posted his lowest EFG% in his career. Rarely goes to the basket strong. (2.5 per game for career . Yet we want to give up a whole bunch of firsts for basically an older Quentin Grimes?

Priority is to resign OG and extend JB. Let’s get a role player(Bridges) from the draft or FA.

I think you are slightly underestimating the difficulty in drafting the “super role player”. 10+ picks in every draft are used on teams trying to find the “3&D” with a 7 foot wingspan and a 37+ 3 point shooting that can read the offense. And most fail for one reason or another. Cam Reddish is too dumb, for instance. Kevin Knox has no motor. Many guys want to be the “guy” and not the guy behind the guy. In fairness, Mikal is failing at trying to take the next step in my opinion. I think if people don’t see the difference between Grimes and Bridges, that’s just a failure to really look.

It was clear to me what the impact of an OG Anunoby would be on this team. Some people correctly pointed out his injury history as a possible red flag. Some people pointed out his contract status. Those were valid concerns. But most people didn’t see the tangible effect adding an elite 3&D would have on this team. But in this NBA, you really need 2 elite 3&Ds and a mobile 7’6 wingspan in the paint.

The term “role player” doesn’t do Anunoby or Bridges justice. These are guys whose defense is more elite than their offense. Guys that can affect the outcome the game with low usage rates. Find me another Elite 3&D in the draft and I will show you a top 10 draft pick. And of those, most will be missing something that lets them take the next step.

EwingsGlass wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:Deuce, bogs + 3 firsts would work if you can bring over Rokas.

maybe you can also flip Mitch to a 3rd team for another asset and re-sign Precious.

Ihart/Precious/Sims
Randle
OG/Hart
Mikal/DDV
Brunson/Rokas

Just don’t see the short memory on Mitch? We forget about his rim protection? His offensive rebounding? Hart had a good year but it can be argued he did not make much of a difference in the last series.

For me, Mikal is a “Rolephuck”.
Got an increased role and posted his lowest EFG% in his career. Rarely goes to the basket strong. (2.5 per game for career . Yet we want to give up a whole bunch of firsts for basically an older Quentin Grimes?

Priority is to resign OG and extend JB. Let’s get a role player(Bridges) from the draft or FA.

I think you are slightly underestimating the difficulty in drafting the “super role player”. 10+ picks in every draft are used on teams trying to find the “3&D” with a 7 foot wingspan and a 37+ 3 point shooting that can read the offense. And most fail for one reason or another. Cam Reddish is too dumb, for instance. Kevin Knox has no motor. Many guys want to be the “guy” and not the guy behind the guy. In fairness, Mikal is failing at trying to take the next step in my opinion. I think if people don’t see the difference between Grimes and Bridges, that’s just a failure to really look.

It was clear to me what the impact of an OG Anunoby would be on this team. Some people correctly pointed out his injury history as a possible red flag. Some people pointed out his contract status. Those were valid concerns. But most people didn’t see the tangible effect adding an elite 3&D would have on this team. But in this NBA, you really need 2 elite 3&Ds and a mobile 7’6 wingspan in the paint.

The term “role player” doesn’t do Anunoby or Bridges justice. These are guys whose defense is more elite than their offense. Guys that can affect the outcome the game with low usage rates. Find me another Elite 3&D in the draft and I will show you a top 10 draft pick. And of those, most will be missing something that lets them take the next step.

Good points, really.
Does a team with OG, Josh and Deuce be impacted by Bridges inclusion as a team that had IQ and RJ when we got OG?
Im not bashing IQ or RJ at all, but on this team its pretty darn clear now the chemistry with OG opened up things for the team in wonderful ways. Does Mikal enhance in respect to the law of diminishing return ceiling is not hit or is it extended? Who goes if such a trade were to occur and his salary/draft picks effect "opportunity cost". By that, the ability bring on assets at reasonable costs and move out existing players who contribute?

More is always better but at some point too much of a good thing is not always efficient?

nycericanguy wrote:

Clean wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Mikal is a very good player. Inconsistent af, but very good.

But really, do we need him other than this Villanova narrative? The Knicks are actually in a very nice position where, if they keep their core players, looking at you OG and iHart, what they need is health. Randle coming back to his game similar to January is what this team needs right now.

He's one of the most consistent players in the league, he only struggled at times last year b/c the Nets wanted him to be a #1 which he certainly isn't. But as a #3 guy here he'd be great.

He was perfect in PHO as the #3, 17ppg guy, that's the version we'd need. And check out his game logs that season, nothing inconsistent there, his WORST shooting month was 48%

another problem is that has trouble creating his own shot and the Nets are lacking a PG to set him up. It is the reason why he plays much better when Ben Simmons actually plays. I been hovering around Nets forums to get the scouting report on him without having to watch every Nets game. This is why we can't trade Randle for him. It will make the only shot creater/playmaker be Brunson again.

I wouldn't say he has trouble creating, he can do it, just not consistently all game as the #1 guy. But he's had stretches and months where he averaged 22-25ppg... you don't get those numbers if you can't create. He's much better at shot creation than OG for example

but on this team he can create his own show sporadically and that's enough.

Nets are a mess of a team with no PG, and no real system in place. Mikal on this team would be a completely different player and would still probably get 18-20 a game, just much easier and efficiently.

Mikal on the Suns was parked in the corner. He was basically Obi with D there.

nycericanguy wrote:

Clean wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Mikal is a very good player. Inconsistent af, but very good.

But really, do we need him other than this Villanova narrative? The Knicks are actually in a very nice position where, if they keep their core players, looking at you OG and iHart, what they need is health. Randle coming back to his game similar to January is what this team needs right now.

He's one of the most consistent players in the league, he only struggled at times last year b/c the Nets wanted him to be a #1 which he certainly isn't. But as a #3 guy here he'd be great.

He was perfect in PHO as the #3, 17ppg guy, that's the version we'd need. And check out his game logs that season, nothing inconsistent there, his WORST shooting month was 48%

another problem is that has trouble creating his own shot and the Nets are lacking a PG to set him up. It is the reason why he plays much better when Ben Simmons actually plays. I been hovering around Nets forums to get the scouting report on him without having to watch every Nets game. This is why we can't trade Randle for him. It will make the only shot creater/playmaker be Brunson again.

I wouldn't say he has trouble creating, he can do it, just not consistently all game as the #1 guy. But he's had stretches and months where he averaged 22-25ppg... you don't get those numbers if you can't create. He's much better at shot creation than OG for example

but on this team he can create his own show sporadically and that's enough.

Nets are a mess of a team with no PG, and no real system in place. Mikal on this team would be a completely different player and would still probably get 18-20 a game, just much easier and efficiently.

Bojan was a 20pt scorer on a shoyt Detroit team. He dove for a ball and someone dove on his let.
Bojan already here!!! LOL......

I hear you, Mikal would be a fine addition of there there was no subtraction.
Given I have no say, I'd have no issue with his inclusion..

HofstraBBall wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:Deuce, bogs + 3 firsts would work if you can bring over Rokas.

maybe you can also flip Mitch to a 3rd team for another asset and re-sign Precious.

Ihart/Precious/Sims
Randle
OG/Hart
Mikal/DDV
Brunson/Rokas

Just don’t see the short memory on Mitch? We forget about his rim protection? His offensive rebounding? Hart had a good year but it can be argued he did not make much of a difference in the last series.

For me, Mikal is a “Rolephuck”.
Got an increased role and posted his lowest EFG% in his career. Rarely goes to the basket strong. (2.5 per game for career . Yet we want to give up a whole bunch of firsts for basically an older Quentin Grimes?

Priority is to resign OG and extend JB. Let’s get a role player(Bridges) from the draft or FA.

I think you are slightly underestimating the difficulty in drafting the “super role player”. 10+ picks in every draft are used on teams trying to find the “3&D” with a 7 foot wingspan and a 37+ 3 point shooting that can read the offense. And most fail for one reason or another. Cam Reddish is too dumb, for instance. Kevin Knox has no motor. Many guys want to be the “guy” and not the guy behind the guy. In fairness, Mikal is failing at trying to take the next step in my opinion. I think if people don’t see the difference between Grimes and Bridges, that’s just a failure to really look.

It was clear to me what the impact of an OG Anunoby would be on this team. Some people correctly pointed out his injury history as a possible red flag. Some people pointed out his contract status. Those were valid concerns. But most people didn’t see the tangible effect adding an elite 3&D would have on this team. But in this NBA, you really need 2 elite 3&Ds and a mobile 7’6 wingspan in the paint.

The term “role player” doesn’t do Anunoby or Bridges justice. These are guys whose defense is more elite than their offense. Guys that can affect the outcome the game with low usage rates. Find me another Elite 3&D in the draft and I will show you a top 10 draft pick. And of those, most will be missing something that lets them take the next step.

Bridges is no OG.
Never said getting a super role player in the draft was easy.
Just That to give up 3 or 4 chances to do so for Bridges is not what I would hope for.
Rose proved many wrong with several of his signings.
All well valued deals for guys that no one thought they could play at level they did.
He has also done well with his picks in recent history.
Once again, watched many Nets games, Bridges is not worthy MR, Deuce and 3 picks.

Rather just ay OG. Who also changes things on defense.

It’s not one or the other for me. I want both. OG is more athletic. Bridges is more skilled. Two different kind of looks at a DPOY. I see OG as somewhat of a free safety plug and play defender at 1-5. I see Bridges as a point of attack defender at 1-3 that excels at weak side and trailing defense off a switch.

I’d give up the picks here cause I think Bridges near completes this team depending on our Center development. I love giving Johnnie Bryant a project. I don’t think we need 3 picks this year, 2 picks next year and the Detroit/Wash picks potentially dropping in before 26’. Should use some of these picks to get more of a win now player.

This is approaching my perfect team

Brunson
Bridges
OG
Randle (Triple Double Randle)
____ (iHart is close here, still want to see a little more development)

DDV
Hart
_____

Don’t get me wrong, not gonna cry if Devo is my man at SG, just looking for a second lock down perimeter shooter. Someone to keep on the court when OG is off.

EwingsGlass wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:Deuce, bogs + 3 firsts would work if you can bring over Rokas.

maybe you can also flip Mitch to a 3rd team for another asset and re-sign Precious.

Ihart/Precious/Sims
Randle
OG/Hart
Mikal/DDV
Brunson/Rokas

Just don’t see the short memory on Mitch? We forget about his rim protection? His offensive rebounding? Hart had a good year but it can be argued he did not make much of a difference in the last series.

For me, Mikal is a “Rolephuck”.
Got an increased role and posted his lowest EFG% in his career. Rarely goes to the basket strong. (2.5 per game for career . Yet we want to give up a whole bunch of firsts for basically an older Quentin Grimes?

Priority is to resign OG and extend JB. Let’s get a role player(Bridges) from the draft or FA.

I think you are slightly underestimating the difficulty in drafting the “super role player”. 10+ picks in every draft are used on teams trying to find the “3&D” with a 7 foot wingspan and a 37+ 3 point shooting that can read the offense. And most fail for one reason or another. Cam Reddish is too dumb, for instance. Kevin Knox has no motor. Many guys want to be the “guy” and not the guy behind the guy. In fairness, Mikal is failing at trying to take the next step in my opinion. I think if people don’t see the difference between Grimes and Bridges, that’s just a failure to really look.

It was clear to me what the impact of an OG Anunoby would be on this team. Some people correctly pointed out his injury history as a possible red flag. Some people pointed out his contract status. Those were valid concerns. But most people didn’t see the tangible effect adding an elite 3&D would have on this team. But in this NBA, you really need 2 elite 3&Ds and a mobile 7’6 wingspan in the paint.

The term “role player” doesn’t do Anunoby or Bridges justice. These are guys whose defense is more elite than their offense. Guys that can affect the outcome the game with low usage rates. Find me another Elite 3&D in the draft and I will show you a top 10 draft pick. And of those, most will be missing something that lets them take the next step.

Bridges is no OG.
Never said getting a super role player in the draft was easy.
Just That to give up 3 or 4 chances to do so for Bridges is not what I would hope for.
Rose proved many wrong with several of his signings.
All well valued deals for guys that no one thought they could play at level they did.
He has also done well with his picks in recent history.
Once again, watched many Nets games, Bridges is not worthy MR, Deuce and 3 picks.

Rather just ay OG. Who also changes things on defense.

It’s not one or the other for me. I want both. OG is more athletic. Bridges is more skilled. Two different kind of looks at a DPOY. I see OG as somewhat of a free safety plug and play defender at 1-5. I see Bridges as a point of attack defender at 1-3 that excels at weak side and trailing defense off a switch.

I’d give up the picks here cause I think Bridges near completes this team depending on our Center development. I love giving Johnnie Bryant a project. I don’t think we need 3 picks this year, 2 picks next year and the Detroit/Wash picks potentially dropping in before 26’. Should use some of these picks to get more of a win now player.

This is approaching my perfect team

Brunson
Bridges
OG
Randle (Triple Double Randle)
____ (iHart is close here, still want to see a little more development)

DDV
Hart
_____

Don’t get me wrong, not gonna cry if Devo is my man at SG, just looking for a second lock down perimeter shooter. Someone to keep on the court when OG is off.

To sign OG we need cap space. Bridges would take up a lot of it.
Feel picks and cap space should be for difference maker.
For me, imho, that is the level of a Mitchel. Perennial All Star. Not Bridges.
Even as a second option, over giving up assets for bridges, I would rather keep picks and get someone off FA. Derozan.

HofstraBBall wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:Deuce, bogs + 3 firsts would work if you can bring over Rokas.

maybe you can also flip Mitch to a 3rd team for another asset and re-sign Precious.

Ihart/Precious/Sims
Randle
OG/Hart
Mikal/DDV
Brunson/Rokas

Just don’t see the short memory on Mitch? We forget about his rim protection? His offensive rebounding? Hart had a good year but it can be argued he did not make much of a difference in the last series.

For me, Mikal is a “Rolephuck”.
Got an increased role and posted his lowest EFG% in his career. Rarely goes to the basket strong. (2.5 per game for career . Yet we want to give up a whole bunch of firsts for basically an older Quentin Grimes?

Priority is to resign OG and extend JB. Let’s get a role player(Bridges) from the draft or FA.

I think you are slightly underestimating the difficulty in drafting the “super role player”. 10+ picks in every draft are used on teams trying to find the “3&D” with a 7 foot wingspan and a 37+ 3 point shooting that can read the offense. And most fail for one reason or another. Cam Reddish is too dumb, for instance. Kevin Knox has no motor. Many guys want to be the “guy” and not the guy behind the guy. In fairness, Mikal is failing at trying to take the next step in my opinion. I think if people don’t see the difference between Grimes and Bridges, that’s just a failure to really look.

It was clear to me what the impact of an OG Anunoby would be on this team. Some people correctly pointed out his injury history as a possible red flag. Some people pointed out his contract status. Those were valid concerns. But most people didn’t see the tangible effect adding an elite 3&D would have on this team. But in this NBA, you really need 2 elite 3&Ds and a mobile 7’6 wingspan in the paint.

The term “role player” doesn’t do Anunoby or Bridges justice. These are guys whose defense is more elite than their offense. Guys that can affect the outcome the game with low usage rates. Find me another Elite 3&D in the draft and I will show you a top 10 draft pick. And of those, most will be missing something that lets them take the next step.

Bridges is no OG.
Never said getting a super role player in the draft was easy.
Just That to give up 3 or 4 chances to do so for Bridges is not what I would hope for.
Rose proved many wrong with several of his signings.
All well valued deals for guys that no one thought they could play at level they did.
He has also done well with his picks in recent history.
Once again, watched many Nets games, Bridges is not worthy MR, Deuce and 3 picks.

Rather just ay OG. Who also changes things on defense.

It’s not one or the other for me. I want both. OG is more athletic. Bridges is more skilled. Two different kind of looks at a DPOY. I see OG as somewhat of a free safety plug and play defender at 1-5. I see Bridges as a point of attack defender at 1-3 that excels at weak side and trailing defense off a switch.

I’d give up the picks here cause I think Bridges near completes this team depending on our Center development. I love giving Johnnie Bryant a project. I don’t think we need 3 picks this year, 2 picks next year and the Detroit/Wash picks potentially dropping in before 26’. Should use some of these picks to get more of a win now player.

This is approaching my perfect team

Brunson
Bridges
OG
Randle (Triple Double Randle)
____ (iHart is close here, still want to see a little more development)

DDV
Hart
_____

Don’t get me wrong, not gonna cry if Devo is my man at SG, just looking for a second lock down perimeter shooter. Someone to keep on the court when OG is off.

To sign OG we need cap space. Bridges would take up a lot of it.
Feel picks and cap space should be for difference maker.
For me, imho, that is the level of a Mitchel. Perennial All Star. Not Bridges.
Even as a second option, over giving up assets for bridges, I would rather keep picks and get someone off FA. Derozan.

We have OG's bird rights due to the trade. We need apron space. Not cap space. Both work economically depending on OGs final contract structure. 5 years 160mm (having him opt in to the 20mm this year) would be a slam dunk.

I think we just fundamentally disagree on Mikal's value.