EAST             W    L     PCT     GB   STRK    L10     HOME    AWAY     PPG    OPPG   DIFF
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1     Boston          30    9   0.769      -     W1    7-3     19-0    11-9   121.4   111.6    9.8   
2     Milwaukee       27   12   0.692      3     W2    5-5     18-4     9-8   124.5   119.4    5.1   
3     Philadelphia    24   13   0.649      5     W1    5-5     14-6    10-7   119.6   111.5    8.1   
4     Indiana         23   15   0.605    6.5     W3    9-1     13-8    10-7   126.6   123.4    3.2   
5     Cleveland       22   15   0.595      7     W4    7-3     13-8     9-7   113.2   111.3    1.9   
6     New York        23   16    0.59      7     W1    6-4     11-4   12-12   115.6   111.6    4.0   
7     Miami           22   16   0.579    7.5     W1    6-4     11-7    11-9   112.5   111.6    0.9   
8     Orlando         21   18   0.538      9     L3    3-7     13-5    8-13   112.5   111.6    0.9   
9     Chicago         19   22   0.463     12     W1    6-4    13-10    6-12   110.6   112.5   -1.9   
10    Brooklyn        16   22   0.421   13.5     L2    3-7     10-9    6-13   114.6   116.4   -1.8   
11    Atlanta         15   23   0.395   14.5     L2    3-7     6-11    9-12   121.7   124.1   -2.4   
12    Toronto         15   24   0.385     15     L3    4-6      9-9    6-15   115.5   117.1   -1.6   
13    Charlotte        8   28   0.222   20.5     L4    1-9     4-13    4-15   108.9   120.5  -11.6   
14    Washington       7   31   0.184   22.5     W1    2-8     3-13    4-18   115.5   125.2   -9.7   
15    Detroit          3   36   0.077     27     L7    1-9     2-17    1-19   111.3   122.7  -11.4   
      WEST             W    L     PCT     GB   STRK    L10     HOME    AWAY     PPG    OPPG   DIFF
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1     Minnesota       27   11   0.711      -     W1    5-5     15-2    12-9   113.2   107.4    5.8   
2     Oklahoma City   27   11   0.711      -     W4    8-2     16-5    11-6   122.5   113.4    9.1   
3     Denver          27   13   0.675      1     W1    7-3     16-4    11-9   116.2   111.1    5.1   
4     Los Angeles     25   13   0.658      2     W3    8-2     16-4     9-9   117.7   111.9    5.8   
5     Sacramento      23   15   0.605      4     L1    6-4     13-7    10-8   117.6   117.1    0.5   
6     New Orleans     24   16     0.6      4     W1    7-3     12-8    12-8   116.4   111.7    4.7   
7     Dallas          23   17   0.575      5     L1    5-5     12-9    11-8   118.5   117.1    1.4   
8     Phoenix         20   18   0.526      7     W1    6-4    11-11     9-7   115.6   114.3    1.3   
9     Utah            21   20   0.512    7.5     W5    8-2     14-5    7-15   116.4   118.5   -2.1   
10    Houston         19   19     0.5      8     L1    4-6     15-6    4-13   112.7   111.4    1.3   
11    Los Angeles     19   21   0.475      9     L2    3-7     13-7    6-14   114.1   115.8   -1.7   
12    Golden State    18   21   0.462    9.5     L1    3-7    11-11    7-10   117.4   118.2   -0.8   
13    Memphis         14   25   0.359   13.5     L2    4-6     3-15   11-10   108.1   113.4   -5.3   
14    Portland        10   28   0.263     17     L3    3-7     5-11    5-17   107.1   116.8   -9.7   
15    San Antonio      7   31   0.184     20     L1    3-7     3-16    4-15   112.6   121.7   -9.1   

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Fire Thibs?

nycericanguy wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:Team scored 106 pts and had how many turn overs against a team missing 9 rotation players. Geezus we need a third bonafide scorer to beat playoffs teams. Deuce showed he can shoot. Pair Deuce with Clarkson or Brogdon off the bench and that's fine, but we need a guy like those vets at the very least. Prefer a bigger acquisition talent wise. Yet, at the very least need a Brogdon or Clarkson for the playoffs.

DAL just got smoked at home to a NOLA team without Ingram, Zion and CJ and on a 2nd night of a B2B. I'm happy with the W

We need a third scorer. Convince yourself with whatever argument comes across your head at the time. We need a third scorer with gravitas for the team to be successful in the playoffs. Your a fan of Deuce and Grimes fine. If we go forward with them in the playoffs we will get smoked. Not debating it with you. You just like to have a contrary opinion and like to defend your favorite players and that's great. I get your MO. So I won't bother debating you, I know what your going to post before you even type it. Just don't be surprised if the FO doesn't do what you think and brings in someone else. One of Deuce or Grimes is fine but neither players development is worth not bringing in someone else superior

nycericanguy wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:Team scored 106 pts and had how many turn overs against a team missing 9 rotation players. Geezus we need a third bonafide scorer to beat playoffs teams. Deuce showed he can shoot. Pair Deuce with Clarkson or Brogdon off the bench and that's fine, but we need a guy like those vets at the very least. Prefer a bigger acquisition talent wise. Yet, at the very least need a Brogdon or Clarkson for the playoffs.

DAL just got smoked at home to a NOLA team without Ingram, Zion and CJ and on a 2nd night of a B2B. I'm happy with the W

We need a third scorer. Convince yourself with whatever argument comes across your head at the time. We need a third scorer with gravitas for the team to be successful in the playoffs. Your a fan of Deuce and Grimes fine. If we go forward with them in the playoffs we will get smoked. Not debating it with you. You just like to have a contrary opinion and like to defend your favorite players and that's great. I get your MO. So I won't bother debating you, I know what your going to post before you even type it. Just don't be surprised if the FO doesn't do what you think and brings in someone else.

yikes breathe.

we absolutely should go for DJM right now and I've been saying that since day 2 of the OG trade so not sure what this post is even about...lol. i literally started the 23/7/7 trade for DJM thread.

The search is not simply limited to Murray. I'm all in for Murray but Leon Rose tends to shop with budget in mind. Don't cry into your beer when it's Rozier, Clarkson, Brogdon or someone else. Team is likely going to try to save on the margins for a guard and try to bring in a big for the assets it would have cost for Murray alone. Deuce is ok and would look better playing off the ball on offense with any of the guards mentioned above while being able to defend the point of attack. For me the team is likely amenable to trading Grimes, as Deuce can do what Grimes can if his 3 pt shot is falling. We can grab a back up SG in the off-season if Grimes is traded.

nycericanguy wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:Team scored 106 pts and had how many turn overs against a team missing 9 rotation players. Geezus we need a third bonafide scorer to beat playoffs teams. Deuce showed he can shoot. Pair Deuce with Clarkson or Brogdon off the bench and that's fine, but we need a guy like those vets at the very least. Prefer a bigger acquisition talent wise. Yet, at the very least need a Brogdon or Clarkson for the playoffs.

DAL just got smoked at home to a NOLA team without Ingram, Zion and CJ and on a 2nd night of a B2B. I'm happy with the W

We need a third scorer. Convince yourself with whatever argument comes across your head at the time. We need a third scorer with gravitas for the team to be successful in the playoffs. Your a fan of Deuce and Grimes fine. If we go forward with them in the playoffs we will get smoked. Not debating it with you. You just like to have a contrary opinion and like to defend your favorite players and that's great. I get your MO. So I won't bother debating you, I know what your going to post before you even type it. Just don't be surprised if the FO doesn't do what you think and brings in someone else.

yikes breathe.

we absolutely should go for DJM right now and I've been saying that since day 2 of the OG trade so not sure what this post is even about...lol. i literally started the 23/7/7 trade for DJM thread.

The search is not simply limited to Murray. I'm all in for Murray but Leon Rose tends to shop with budget in mind. Don't cry into your beer when it's Rozier, Clarkson, Brogdon or someone else. Team is likely going to try to save on the margins for a guard and try to bring in a big for the assets it would have cost for Murray alone. Deuce is ok and would look better playing off the ball on offense with any of the guards mentioned above while being able to defend the point of attack. For me the team is likely amenable to trading Grimes, as Deuce can do what Grimes can if his 3 pt shot is falling. We can grab a back up SG in the off-season if Grimes is traded.

I doubt it, this regime has never benched young players for 30+ year olds. Leon shops on a budget but he also does so with the future in mind.

I don't see us benching the youth and bringing in a PG unless it's a very substantial upgrade AND someone who can be here long term.

Rozier maybe, he fits the bill though I think DJM is just a better player and fit. But Clarkson and Brogdon i'd be very surprised.

Never benches youth for vets ? What about ELF and Burke's over IQ ? What about Taj over Simms ?Plus team has moved beyond development stage, they are trying to win now, Development stage is over.

nycericanguy wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:Team scored 106 pts and had how many turn overs against a team missing 9 rotation players. Geezus we need a third bonafide scorer to beat playoffs teams. Deuce showed he can shoot. Pair Deuce with Clarkson or Brogdon off the bench and that's fine, but we need a guy like those vets at the very least. Prefer a bigger acquisition talent wise. Yet, at the very least need a Brogdon or Clarkson for the playoffs.

DAL just got smoked at home to a NOLA team without Ingram, Zion and CJ and on a 2nd night of a B2B. I'm happy with the W

We need a third scorer. Convince yourself with whatever argument comes across your head at the time. We need a third scorer with gravitas for the team to be successful in the playoffs. Your a fan of Deuce and Grimes fine. If we go forward with them in the playoffs we will get smoked. Not debating it with you. You just like to have a contrary opinion and like to defend your favorite players and that's great. I get your MO. So I won't bother debating you, I know what your going to post before you even type it. Just don't be surprised if the FO doesn't do what you think and brings in someone else.

yikes breathe.

we absolutely should go for DJM right now and I've been saying that since day 2 of the OG trade so not sure what this post is even about...lol. i literally started the 23/7/7 trade for DJM thread.

The search is not simply limited to Murray. I'm all in for Murray but Leon Rose tends to shop with budget in mind. Don't cry into your beer when it's Rozier, Clarkson, Brogdon or someone else. Team is likely going to try to save on the margins for a guard and try to bring in a big for the assets it would have cost for Murray alone. Deuce is ok and would look better playing off the ball on offense with any of the guards mentioned above while being able to defend the point of attack. For me the team is likely amenable to trading Grimes, as Deuce can do what Grimes can if his 3 pt shot is falling. We can grab a back up SG in the off-season if Grimes is traded.

I doubt it, this regime has never benched young players for 30+ year olds. Leon shops on a budget but he also does so with the future in mind.

I don't see us benching the youth and bringing in a PG unless it's a very substantial upgrade AND someone who can be here long term.

Rozier maybe, he fits the bill though I think DJM is just a better player and fit. But Clarkson and Brogdon i'd be very surprised.

Never benches youth for vets ? What about ELF and Burke's over IQ ? Plus team has moved beyond development stage, they are trying to win now, Development stage is over.

IQ was playing 20+mpg every game from day 1, he was never benched. the truth is he wasn't very good his 1st two seasons.

all that being said, we moved on from Elf & Burks pretty quickly pun intended.

We are in the win now stage yes, but Rose isn't shortsighted.

Ok bro,... Have a great Sunday. I just hope they make a trade asap DJM will be acquired by another team who will pay more.

Alpha1971 wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:Team scored 106 pts and had how many turn overs against a team missing 9 rotation players. Geezus we need a third bonafide scorer to beat playoffs teams. Deuce showed he can shoot. Pair Deuce with Clarkson or Brogdon off the bench and that's fine, but we need a guy like those vets at the very least. Prefer a bigger acquisition talent wise. Yet, at the very least need a Brogdon or Clarkson for the playoffs.

DAL just got smoked at home to a NOLA team without Ingram, Zion and CJ and on a 2nd night of a B2B. I'm happy with the W

We need a third scorer. Convince yourself with whatever argument comes across your head at the time. We need a third scorer with gravitas for the team to be successful in the playoffs. Your a fan of Deuce and Grimes fine. If we go forward with them in the playoffs we will get smoked. Not debating it with you. You just like to have a contrary opinion and like to defend your favorite players and that's great. I get your MO. So I won't bother debating you, I know what your going to post before you even type it. Just don't be surprised if the FO doesn't do what you think and brings in someone else.

yikes breathe.

we absolutely should go for DJM right now and I've been saying that since day 2 of the OG trade so not sure what this post is even about...lol. i literally started the 23/7/7 trade for DJM thread.

The search is not simply limited to Murray. I'm all in for Murray but Leon Rose tends to shop with budget in mind. Don't cry into your beer when it's Rozier, Clarkson, Brogdon or someone else. Team is likely going to try to save on the margins for a guard and try to bring in a big for the assets it would have cost for Murray alone. Deuce is ok and would look better playing off the ball on offense with any of the guards mentioned above while being able to defend the point of attack. For me the team is likely amenable to trading Grimes, as Deuce can do what Grimes can if his 3 pt shot is falling. We can grab a back up SG in the off-season if Grimes is traded.

I doubt it, this regime has never benched young players for 30+ year olds. Leon shops on a budget but he also does so with the future in mind.

I don't see us benching the youth and bringing in a PG unless it's a very substantial upgrade AND someone who can be here long term.

Rozier maybe, he fits the bill though I think DJM is just a better player and fit. But Clarkson and Brogdon i'd be very surprised.

Never benches youth for vets ? What about ELF and Burke's over IQ ? Plus team has moved beyond development stage, they are trying to win now, Development stage is over.

IQ was playing 20+mpg every game from day 1, he was never benched. the truth is he wasn't very good his 1st two seasons.

all that being said, we moved on from Elf & Burks pretty quickly pun intended.

We are in the win now stage yes, but Rose isn't shortsighted.

Ok bro,... Have a great Sunday. I just hope they make a trade asap DJM will be acquired by another team who will pay more.

if we really want him I think we can beat just about any offer, question is how much do we want him?

We could offer Grimes, the MIL 1st, the DET 1st and even the WSH 1st (or the two seconds it turns into).

I mean that's the equivalent of about 4 1st rounders in value depending on how they value Grimes. I don't see any other team beating that.

We are a good match b/c ATL could really use a SG like Grimes next to Trae, AND they could really use some draft replenishment since they are without picks in '25 and '27. And they are also looking to rebuild so some other teams offering win now pieces instead of picks might not be as attractive.

And congrats to Thibs on 500 wins. That's a huge accomplishment in an era where most coaches don't last. Thibs is not perfect and he does things I don't like or agree with - like playing Deuce and Hartenstein the entire second half last night - but overall he's done a very good job of establishing the culture and winning. To make the playoffs 3 out of 4 years seemed like an impossible task before he got here.

Clean wrote:

SergioNYK wrote:Good job taking care of business without Brunson. I was a little worried being down 4 at halftime but kudos to the team for stepping up. Deuce played really well in his first start. He's honestly soften the blow losing IQ. I'm getting to a point where I kind of don't want to trade for a vet. Let Deuce continue to play and grow. And Hartenstein with another 20 rebound and 4 blocks game. Insane how well he's played filling in for Rob!

And congrats to Thibs on 500 wins. That's a huge accomplishment in an era where most coaches don't last. Thibs is not perfect and he does things I don't like or agree with - like playing Deuce and Hartenstein the entire second half last night - but overall he's done a very good job of establishing the culture and winning. To make the playoffs 3 out of 4 years seemed like an impossible task before he got here.

I have been a McBride backer from draft but even I have to admit we need a vet that can create for himself/others. The turnovers this game alone is proof of that While McBrides shot is going we good but I am not yet ready to trust he can constantly breakdown a defense and we will need that in the playoffs.

Trust today and tomorrow versus allowing a player to develop into that trust.

Hard balance

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