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Alpha1971 wrote:I think the Knicks should get Davis Bertrans for the bench if he becomes available as a lower risk bench version of KP. Not as good on defense but a big shooter for off the bench at the 4. I thought a Evan trade for him made sense but his contract next season is guaranteed for 5 million while Evans completely comes off the book when the team declines his option. But if Bertrans is bought out like OKC did with Kemba a few years ago we should grab him. KP too injury prone. Yet, Bertrans backing up Randall and as the 10th man or maybe 11 is just great

So hypothetically Bertans gets cut. He would want to go to a team that has minutes so he could compete for his next contract.

He would not get minutes with the Knicks. The Knicks do not need another shooter who does not defend or rebound.

Bertans would not choose to play for the Knicks nor would the Knicks want him on team in favor of something they need. ???. Profit.

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8/16/2023  9:22 AM
Feel like the tank many not be the best choice of metaphor vehicle to ride into battle with but whatever

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8/16/2023  9:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/16/2023  9:56 AM
GustavBahler wrote:
MaTT4281 wrote:
martin wrote:

You hear that, Boston?! FORMIDABLE!

Still plenty of time to recover. We'll see what happens this season.

It can take a few weeks to a few months for your plantar fascia to heal, for us normal size people. KP is 7'3 with a long list of physical injuries, which increases the risk of reoccurring. If I'm boston, I would start looking for their receipt to return damaged goods. This injury occurred while playing for the wizzards. I'm starting to think KP will continue to be injury prone during his entire career. But when healthy, he's a difference maker on both ends, and should fit it nice with Boston (in Al Horford's role).

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8/16/2023  11:36 AM
blkexec wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
MaTT4281 wrote:
martin wrote:

You hear that, Boston?! FORMIDABLE!

Still plenty of time to recover. We'll see what happens this season.

It can take a few weeks to a few months for your plantar fascia to heal, for us normal size people. KP is 7'3 with a long list of physical injuries, which increases the risk of reoccurring. If I'm boston, I would start looking for their receipt to return damaged goods. This injury occurred while playing for the wizzards. I'm starting to think KP will continue to be injury prone during his entire career. But when healthy, he's a difference maker on both ends, and should fit it nice with Boston (in Al Horford's role).

They should have kept SMART AND the other guy
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8/16/2023  2:39 PM
Alpha1971 wrote:
blkexec wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
MaTT4281 wrote:
martin wrote:

You hear that, Boston?! FORMIDABLE!

Still plenty of time to recover. We'll see what happens this season.

It can take a few weeks to a few months for your plantar fascia to heal, for us normal size people. KP is 7'3 with a long list of physical injuries, which increases the risk of reoccurring. If I'm boston, I would start looking for their receipt to return damaged goods. This injury occurred while playing for the wizzards. I'm starting to think KP will continue to be injury prone during his entire career. But when healthy, he's a difference maker on both ends, and should fit it nice with Boston (in Al Horford's role).

They should have kept SMART AND the other guy

Yep, I thought they needed more ballhandling. I think the Celts took a step back, regardless of KP's health.

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8/16/2023  3:26 PM
They did try to do the deal with Brogden but he could not pass a physical.
They came up short with Smart and the team did not go further. KP is a risk but it gives them a new dimension. They had to do something than just go sideways.
I think its a good move. Will it work? Not my job to predict but I think Vegas odds will give more objectivity than KP hate from a Knick fan.
That team is about Tatum and Brown and adding a KP as a Third option. Derrick white in the starting lineup vs. smart makes sense also.
Bringing him off the bench might have been awkward.
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8/16/2023  8:59 PM
Bad news for Canada, good news for RJ. RJ is Murray's replacement in the SL.
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8/17/2023  11:12 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/17/2023  11:45 AM
Nalod wrote:They did try to do the deal with Brogden but he could not pass a physical.
They came up short with Smart and the team did not go further. KP is a risk but it gives them a new dimension. They had to do something than just go sideways.
I think its a good move. Will it work? Not my job to predict but I think Vegas odds will give more objectivity than KP hate from a Knick fan.
That team is about Tatum and Brown and adding a KP as a Third option. Derrick white in the starting lineup vs. smart makes sense also.
Bringing him off the bench might have been awkward.

They lost Smart. He is a leader, a great defender, and was probably their best passer but his playmaking was suppressed playing with two on-ball players that are both stars and not great passers. It is a tough nut to crack. I think the ideal solution is a passing big like Bam/Sabonis/Joker. That would max Tatum and Brown's usage with your big feeding them from the middle of the floor. Those guys are hard to come by so they upgraded talent instead. I think it is a good move. Smarts mins will go to Malcolm and White and KP gives them yet another shot-maker and a guy that protects the rim. If Malcolm and KP can actually stay healthy I think they are very very good. Malcom and White are very good players in their own right.
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EwingPSD wrote:
Nalod wrote:They did try to do the deal with Brogden but he could not pass a physical.
They came up short with Smart and the team did not go further. KP is a risk but it gives them a new dimension. They had to do something than just go sideways.
I think its a good move. Will it work? Not my job to predict but I think Vegas odds will give more objectivity than KP hate from a Knick fan.
That team is about Tatum and Brown and adding a KP as a Third option. Derrick white in the starting lineup vs. smart makes sense also.
Bringing him off the bench might have been awkward.

They lost Smart. He is a leader, a great defender, and was probably their best passer but his playmaking was suppressed playing with two on-ball players that are both stars and not great passers. It is a tough nut to crack. I think the ideal solution is a passing big like Bam/Sabonis/Joker. That would max Tatum and Brown's usage with your big feeding them from the middle of the floor. Those guys are hard to come by so they upgraded talent instead. I think it is a good move. Smarts mins will go to Malcolm and White and KP gives them yet another shot-maker and a guy that protects the rim. If Malcolm and KP can actually stay healthy I think they are very very good. Malcom and White are very good players in their own right.

KP is a ball player. If he can refine his passing just a bit more he is dangerous with his range.
Brown and Tatum can find easy buckets if they make cuts and work a bit more off the ball.
KP health is paramount. I doubt he ever fulfils his early promise we had hoped he would, but still something less is a valuable piece.
Boston went full "Bargnani" on him. He could take them over the top. Or not.
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8/17/2023  4:30 PM
martin wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:I think the Knicks should get Davis Bertrans for the bench if he becomes available as a lower risk bench version of KP. Not as good on defense but a big shooter for off the bench at the 4. I thought a Evan trade for him made sense but his contract next season is guaranteed for 5 million while Evans completely comes off the book when the team declines his option. But if Bertrans is bought out like OKC did with Kemba a few years ago we should grab him. KP too injury prone. Yet, Bertrans backing up Randall and as the 10th man or maybe 11 is just great

So hypothetically Bertans gets cut. He would want to go to a team that has minutes so he could compete for his next contract.

He would not get minutes with the Knicks. The Knicks do not need another shooter who does not defend or rebound.

Bertans would not choose to play for the Knicks nor would the Knicks want him on team in favor of something they need. ???. Profit.

Hypothetically what team can offer him more playing time then the Knicks at this point ? Knicks have the Bi Annual left, and a back up spot for 12 minutes if he earns the spot at that rate. Does he sign for the min and gets just the same amount of minutes ? At this point he is not anymore then a back up for 15 mins a game. I think if we want him he would sign
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8/17/2023  5:42 PM
Alpha1971 wrote:
martin wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:I think the Knicks should get Davis Bertrans for the bench if he becomes available as a lower risk bench version of KP. Not as good on defense but a big shooter for off the bench at the 4. I thought a Evan trade for him made sense but his contract next season is guaranteed for 5 million while Evans completely comes off the book when the team declines his option. But if Bertrans is bought out like OKC did with Kemba a few years ago we should grab him. KP too injury prone. Yet, Bertrans backing up Randall and as the 10th man or maybe 11 is just great

So hypothetically Bertans gets cut. He would want to go to a team that has minutes so he could compete for his next contract.

He would not get minutes with the Knicks. The Knicks do not need another shooter who does not defend or rebound.

Bertans would not choose to play for the Knicks nor would the Knicks want him on team in favor of something they need. ???. Profit.

Hypothetically what team can offer him more playing time then the Knicks at this point ? Knicks have the Bi Annual left, and a back up spot for 12 minutes if he earns the spot at that rate. Does he sign for the min and gets just the same amount of minutes ? At this point he is not anymore then a back up for 15 mins a game. I think if we want him he would sign

Boston, Lakers, Denver, Miami, Philly.

Knicks would not want him and he would not get 15 minutes.

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8/17/2023  7:50 PM
martin wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:
martin wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:I think the Knicks should get Davis Bertrans for the bench if he becomes available as a lower risk bench version of KP. Not as good on defense but a big shooter for off the bench at the 4. I thought a Evan trade for him made sense but his contract next season is guaranteed for 5 million while Evans completely comes off the book when the team declines his option. But if Bertrans is bought out like OKC did with Kemba a few years ago we should grab him. KP too injury prone. Yet, Bertrans backing up Randall and as the 10th man or maybe 11 is just great

So hypothetically Bertans gets cut. He would want to go to a team that has minutes so he could compete for his next contract.

He would not get minutes with the Knicks. The Knicks do not need another shooter who does not defend or rebound.

Bertans would not choose to play for the Knicks nor would the Knicks want him on team in favor of something they need. ???. Profit.

Hypothetically what team can offer him more playing time then the Knicks at this point ? Knicks have the Bi Annual left, and a back up spot for 12 minutes if he earns the spot at that rate. Does he sign for the min and gets just the same amount of minutes ? At this point he is not anymore then a back up for 15 mins a game. I think if we want him he would sign

Boston, Lakers, Denver, Miami, Philly.

Knicks would not want him and he would not get 15 minutes.

With the exception of Miami he is not playing for the other teams.
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8/17/2023  7:57 PM
Alpha1971 wrote:
martin wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:
martin wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:I think the Knicks should get Davis Bertrans for the bench if he becomes available as a lower risk bench version of KP. Not as good on defense but a big shooter for off the bench at the 4. I thought a Evan trade for him made sense but his contract next season is guaranteed for 5 million while Evans completely comes off the book when the team declines his option. But if Bertrans is bought out like OKC did with Kemba a few years ago we should grab him. KP too injury prone. Yet, Bertrans backing up Randall and as the 10th man or maybe 11 is just great

So hypothetically Bertans gets cut. He would want to go to a team that has minutes so he could compete for his next contract.

He would not get minutes with the Knicks. The Knicks do not need another shooter who does not defend or rebound.

Bertans would not choose to play for the Knicks nor would the Knicks want him on team in favor of something they need. ???. Profit.

Hypothetically what team can offer him more playing time then the Knicks at this point ? Knicks have the Bi Annual left, and a back up spot for 12 minutes if he earns the spot at that rate. Does he sign for the min and gets just the same amount of minutes ? At this point he is not anymore then a back up for 15 mins a game. I think if we want him he would sign

Boston, Lakers, Denver, Miami, Philly.

Knicks would not want him and he would not get 15 minutes.

With the exception of Miami he is not playing for the other teams.

Why?

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martin wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:
martin wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:
martin wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:I think the Knicks should get Davis Bertrans for the bench if he becomes available as a lower risk bench version of KP. Not as good on defense but a big shooter for off the bench at the 4. I thought a Evan trade for him made sense but his contract next season is guaranteed for 5 million while Evans completely comes off the book when the team declines his option. But if Bertrans is bought out like OKC did with Kemba a few years ago we should grab him. KP too injury prone. Yet, Bertrans backing up Randall and as the 10th man or maybe 11 is just great

So hypothetically Bertans gets cut. He would want to go to a team that has minutes so he could compete for his next contract.

He would not get minutes with the Knicks. The Knicks do not need another shooter who does not defend or rebound.

Bertans would not choose to play for the Knicks nor would the Knicks want him on team in favor of something they need. ???. Profit.

Hypothetically what team can offer him more playing time then the Knicks at this point ? Knicks have the Bi Annual left, and a back up spot for 12 minutes if he earns the spot at that rate. Does he sign for the min and gets just the same amount of minutes ? At this point he is not anymore then a back up for 15 mins a game. I think if we want him he would sign

Boston, Lakers, Denver, Miami, Philly.

Knicks would not want him and he would not get 15 minutes.

With the exception of Miami he is not playing for the other teams.

Why?

The other teams have depth that will preclude Betrans from getting more time then he would get here in NY, with the exception of Miami but again Miami has a young big they drafted last year who they likely will groom. So of the teams you mentioned the Knicks could give him a path for back up rotation minutes. But we shall see. I'm not going to pull up the rosters of the teams you mentioned Not that important you may be right and I can be wrong.
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8/17/2023  10:33 PM
Another Knick goes on to violate Spain. Did Ricky Rubio talk too much during his career high scoring game against us?
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BigDaddyG wrote:Another Knick goes on to violate Spain. Did Ricky Rubio talk too much during his career high scoring game against us?

RJ is putting in work, but I have to honestly say, alot of those drives ended in shots that look very Brunsonesque when it comes to that little flip release to get the shot off and the speed at which it is executed.
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8/18/2023  8:09 AM
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Seems he is in the paint “Feeling the play” rather than head down and to the rim and not rushing it. FIBA highlights shows more flips and using the backboard. “Brunson like Crafty”?
The outside shot looks good. Video highlight he never misses!!!
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8/18/2023  9:07 AM
Alpha1971 wrote:
martin wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:
martin wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:
martin wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:I think the Knicks should get Davis Bertrans for the bench if he becomes available as a lower risk bench version of KP. Not as good on defense but a big shooter for off the bench at the 4. I thought a Evan trade for him made sense but his contract next season is guaranteed for 5 million while Evans completely comes off the book when the team declines his option. But if Bertrans is bought out like OKC did with Kemba a few years ago we should grab him. KP too injury prone. Yet, Bertrans backing up Randall and as the 10th man or maybe 11 is just great

So hypothetically Bertans gets cut. He would want to go to a team that has minutes so he could compete for his next contract.

He would not get minutes with the Knicks. The Knicks do not need another shooter who does not defend or rebound.

Bertans would not choose to play for the Knicks nor would the Knicks want him on team in favor of something they need. ???. Profit.

Hypothetically what team can offer him more playing time then the Knicks at this point ? Knicks have the Bi Annual left, and a back up spot for 12 minutes if he earns the spot at that rate. Does he sign for the min and gets just the same amount of minutes ? At this point he is not anymore then a back up for 15 mins a game. I think if we want him he would sign

Boston, Lakers, Denver, Miami, Philly.

Knicks would not want him and he would not get 15 minutes.

With the exception of Miami he is not playing for the other teams.

Why?

The other teams have depth that will preclude Betrans from getting more time then he would get here in NY, with the exception of Miami but again Miami has a young big they drafted last year who they likely will groom. So of the teams you mentioned the Knicks could give him a path for back up rotation minutes. But we shall see. I'm not going to pull up the rosters of the teams you mentioned Not that important you may be right and I can be wrong.

Respectfully, you are wrong and should maybe actually familiarize yourself with their rosters.

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8/18/2023  10:24 AM
Alpha1971 wrote:
martin wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:I think the Knicks should get Davis Bertrans for the bench if he becomes available as a lower risk bench version of KP. Not as good on defense but a big shooter for off the bench at the 4. I thought a Evan trade for him made sense but his contract next season is guaranteed for 5 million while Evans completely comes off the book when the team declines his option. But if Bertrans is bought out like OKC did with Kemba a few years ago we should grab him. KP too injury prone. Yet, Bertrans backing up Randall and as the 10th man or maybe 11 is just great

So hypothetically Bertans gets cut. He would want to go to a team that has minutes so he could compete for his next contract.

He would not get minutes with the Knicks. The Knicks do not need another shooter who does not defend or rebound.

Bertans would not choose to play for the Knicks nor would the Knicks want him on team in favor of something they need. ???. Profit.

Hypothetically what team can offer him more playing time then the Knicks at this point ? Knicks have the Bi Annual left, and a back up spot for 12 minutes if he earns the spot at that rate. Does he sign for the min and gets just the same amount of minutes ? At this point he is not anymore then a back up for 15 mins a game. I think if we want him he would sign


I don't think Bertans in an NBA player. The problem with Bertans is Bertans sucks
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