fishmike wrote:this thread and these narratives suck. Randle destroyed NBA all defensive guy Mobley and Mitch practically won the Cle series himself. Those two have been terrible in the Heat series.

Celtics core have been together 6 years. Phili has never made it past the 2nd round in the Embiid era. Most people here thought the Knicks were a play in team this year. Now its "move on from Randle and Mitch cause they arent winning us a title"

We have a flawed roster with flawed players. When its not going well it's gonna look bad. Pretty wild change in attitude since the Cle series from the fan base. I get it. As far as the players and who stays/goes I trust the FO to make the right moves. Everyone gets on Randle for what he doesnt do. I get it... but it's what he does do that puts him in that position. 25/10 guys who also pass the ball and never miss games are hard to replace. Its not "enabling" its working with what we have.

Agree 100%. Miami has been using different tactics to take away Jules's bread and butter. They are playing hard and out of their minds. Their second tier guys are contributing in ways that our better second tier guys aren't close to.

All that said, out players like each other. They have great chemistry and huge heart. We win tonight and we can flip the script. they just have to keep fighting one possession at a time and grind it out. (We know Miami will play the full 48)

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martin wrote:It's ugly. Randle needs to mentally play better. This is hard to watch. I can deal with the playoff shooting % if a guy is going all out but this is beyond excuses.

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Any fool defending Randle after watching that should be packaged with Julius when we trade him for Booker/Durant

Any fool who blames solely Randle for costing us the season is a moron.
Including the quoted Twit.

The fan who is a fool may want to look at the Knicks overall shooting percentage to buy a clue as to why we are down in the series.

Who is solely blaming Randle - I’m down for shipping some other guys out as well….I’ll start with Mitch. LOL

Problem is, as always, who is the replacement for anyone we want out?
How much does that new player make? What assets will we have to give up?

Some here suggesting Kat for Randle. $50m vs $22m and what assets we giving up?
Kat had better pieces around him, yet they did what?
Mitch is a defensive Center. One of the best in the league. Do I want someone who can hit a foul shot? Sure. But who that is better offensively gets us the same on defense. Some admiring IJart on here yet no complains about his lack of offense.

My point is that if we had wings that contributed positively, to our three point shooting, this series would be over. With us winning it.
Our good year came from Randle and JB playing like All Stars. But also because IQ, Grimes, Harts and our bench had stellar years. Yes Randle and JB have not been as good in the playoffs. Both have bum ankles. Bit also because, in the playoffs, teams will focus on stopping your main players. But that's why it's important to have other pieces in place that can step up and play well. Everyone besides Randle and JB have played poorly. You look at Miami and several guys have stepped in and played well.
Side note, the other punching bag (RJ) has proven haters wrong. Kid has played well.

Agree on RJ —- in the playoffs he has proven to be for more reliable/consistent with sound decision making throughout. Issue would be if no Julius and RJ regular season performance we’d probably been 10th/11th seed.

On the contrary, when Randle sat at the end of the season we actually played more team oriented ball with better passing and fast breaks. Had some nice wins where Obi stepped up. The only stinker was the last game of the season

Oh - I agree we play a nicer style (team oriented) without Julius but despite looking good without him short term I am trying to acknowledge he was an all-star this year who played what 80 games and over the longer term we probably may have lost a few more games with no Julius all year.

I don't like his style of play in terms of how it plays with the rest of the team.

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fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:

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fishmike wrote:this thread and these narratives suck. Randle destroyed NBA all defensive guy Mobley and Mitch practically won the Cle series himself. Those two have been terrible in the Heat series.

Celtics core have been together 6 years. Phili has never made it past the 2nd round in the Embiid era. Most people here thought the Knicks were a play in team this year. Now its "move on from Randle and Mitch cause they arent winning us a title"

We have a flawed roster with flawed players. When its not going well it's gonna look bad. Pretty wild change in attitude since the Cle series from the fan base. I get it. As far as the players and who stays/goes I trust the FO to make the right moves. Everyone gets on Randle for what he doesnt do. I get it... but it's what he does do that puts him in that position. 25/10 guys who also pass the ball and never miss games are hard to replace. Its not "enabling" its working with what we have.

Nothing to do with owning a Randle jersey.

Its not so much Randle, but the role he has on the team. I dont believe its hyperbole to state that Randle historically has not been a clutch player. Does not play well in the 4th. Has not been a good playoff performer. Bad would be an accurate decription.

If Jules was 22-23, sure give him time to figure things out. But Randle has been playing for almost a decade now. Almost 30.

I believe the crux of the problem is Randle's role in the offense. You cant have a second option who is as unreliable as Randle has been. Not if the Knicks want to contend.

As its been said. When Jules was talking about the team not wanting it enough. He was really talking about just himself. Randle is strong but not mentally tough. You have as much riding as the Knicks do, on Randle not folding when it matters. I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

The Knicks cant contend on his gaudy stats alone. Its also about when he fills up a stat sheet.

If Randle stays it better be with another star ahead of him as a scoring option. Enough of a sample size to believe its necessary.

As for Mitch, if he stays, Brunson needs to spend part of the offseason working on a two man game. Might be the worst chemistry between a starting PG and Center. They need to put in the time to make it work.

And practice those fing free throws.

Are you sure that he is self aware enough to be talking about himself here? He could just as well be deflecting blame to the rest of the team. He could also hold the opinion that other than himself, there isn't enough talent on the team and he wouldn't be completely wrong. The Knicks need to keep making the playoffs and Randle gets us there. He might be a head case, but he is our head case. I don't see any drastic changes on the horizon. I just hope exit interviews aren't - 'sorry Julius, we will surround you with better talent next year.'

100% that comment was a knock on the centers. I am not committed to Randle any more than any other players.

Basically I just keep hearing Randle isnt a good first or second option and we have kinda known that for years and have been trying improve that. Brunson has helped. We still have more needs. 5th seed team.

Lets not rewrite history. I was saying it early in the season. Half the board completely lost it. Some were so triggered that they are unable to carry on a rational conversation. So no, we didnt all kind of knew.

As for Randle's self awareness. I agree that he doesnt realize that he is speaking about himself. Which makes it all the sadder.

people wanted to give up picks to get rid of him which was bat**** crazy. The people (like me) were never arguing to keep him as our #1, just to keep him. People think Thibs plays him and enables him because of some weird **** and its so silly. Randle does things nobody else does for us. I get fans dont like his energy and his playoff scoring has been trash but it doesnt change the obvious.

The FO isnt stupid either. They arent going to have an emotional reaction to a guy having a mediocre or poor post season to what they do the other 80 games (and this is a guy who plays 80 games). They will upgrade Randle when they can.

Another thing people need to grasp is 3 years is relatively early if you are actually building something. We have seen a lot of internal improvement/development. Randle himself has made adjustments. Sucks if the season ends on a note like this but that shouldnt rewrite history either. This year Randle passed more, deferred to Brunson, changed his shot profile. When his problems overshadow that stuff he will be gone. Until then he's an important cog. Knicks were the 5th seed. Where do you think we finish with Randle's 25/10 and physical play in the paint?

Yes the talk of attaching picks to dump him, or trading him for a second rounder were completely ridiculous. However if we can trade him for Sabonis, sign me up.

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GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fishmike wrote:this thread and these narratives suck. Randle destroyed NBA all defensive guy Mobley and Mitch practically won the Cle series himself. Those two have been terrible in the Heat series.

Celtics core have been together 6 years. Phili has never made it past the 2nd round in the Embiid era. Most people here thought the Knicks were a play in team this year. Now its "move on from Randle and Mitch cause they arent winning us a title"

We have a flawed roster with flawed players. When its not going well it's gonna look bad. Pretty wild change in attitude since the Cle series from the fan base. I get it. As far as the players and who stays/goes I trust the FO to make the right moves. Everyone gets on Randle for what he doesnt do. I get it... but it's what he does do that puts him in that position. 25/10 guys who also pass the ball and never miss games are hard to replace. Its not "enabling" its working with what we have.

Nothing to do with owning a Randle jersey.

Its not so much Randle, but the role he has on the team. I dont believe its hyperbole to state that Randle historically has not been a clutch player. Does not play well in the 4th. Has not been a good playoff performer. Bad would be an accurate decription.

If Jules was 22-23, sure give him time to figure things out. But Randle has been playing for almost a decade now. Almost 30.

I believe the crux of the problem is Randle's role in the offense. You cant have a second option who is as unreliable as Randle has been. Not if the Knicks want to contend.

As its been said. When Jules was talking about the team not wanting it enough. He was really talking about just himself. Randle is strong but not mentally tough. You have as much riding as the Knicks do, on Randle not folding when it matters. I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

The Knicks cant contend on his gaudy stats alone. Its also about when he fills up a stat sheet.

If Randle stays it better be with another star ahead of him as a scoring option. Enough of a sample size to believe its necessary.

As for Mitch, if he stays, Brunson needs to spend part of the offseason working on a two man game. Might be the worst chemistry between a starting PG and Center. They need to put in the time to make it work.

And practice those fing free throws.

Are you sure that he is self aware enough to be talking about himself here? He could just as well be deflecting blame to the rest of the team. He could also hold the opinion that other than himself, there isn't enough talent on the team and he wouldn't be completely wrong. The Knicks need to keep making the playoffs and Randle gets us there. He might be a head case, but he is our head case. I don't see any drastic changes on the horizon. I just hope exit interviews aren't - 'sorry Julius, we will surround you with better talent next year.'

100% that comment was a knock on the centers. I am not committed to Randle any more than any other players.

Basically I just keep hearing Randle isnt a good first or second option and we have kinda known that for years and have been trying improve that. Brunson has helped. We still have more needs. 5th seed team.

Lets not rewrite history. I was saying it early in the season. Half the board completely lost it. Some were so triggered that they are unable to carry on a rational conversation. So no, we didnt all kind of knew.

As for Randle's self awareness. I agree that he doesnt realize that he is speaking about himself. Which makes it all the sadder.

people wanted to give up picks to get rid of him which was bat**** crazy. The people (like me) were never arguing to keep him as our #1, just to keep him. People think Thibs plays him and enables him because of some weird **** and its so silly. Randle does things nobody else does for us. I get fans dont like his energy and his playoff scoring has been trash but it doesnt change the obvious.

The FO isnt stupid either. They arent going to have an emotional reaction to a guy having a mediocre or poor post season to what they do the other 80 games (and this is a guy who plays 80 games). They will upgrade Randle when they can.

Another thing people need to grasp is 3 years is relatively early if you are actually building something. We have seen a lot of internal improvement/development. Randle himself has made adjustments. Sucks if the season ends on a note like this but that shouldnt rewrite history either. This year Randle passed more, deferred to Brunson, changed his shot profile. When his problems overshadow that stuff he will be gone. Until then he's an important cog. Knicks were the 5th seed. Where do you think we finish with Randle's 25/10 and physical play in the paint?

You're right there were some crazy trade ideas. My early season trade idea was moving him when he was closer to his 2020 game. Not a fire sale.

But thats not what I was talking about. I got a lot of pushback just for suggesting that Randle wasnt a reliable first or second option.

Randle stays, Randle is traded. We still need a player who lives for the postseason. Like Brunson.

KnickDanger wrote:Did you see that rebound and bucket on the Mitch miss to ice the game?

No they missed that. But Tommy Bear is working on a video of him not rotating or making a face.
And Zach from the Post (Fat guy with glasses who never dribbled a ball) will ignore Randle's 15-25 last two games. Randle still needs to cut down on TOs but solid game today. 4-7 from three.

But JB was the man today. Incredible. Big basket after big basket.
RJs brain freeze on inbound made me throw the remote but he played well and has played well in the playoffs.
We have to give Grimes and JB some help.
Hopefully IQ and JHart get their games back.

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KnickDanger wrote:Did you see that rebound and bucket on the Mitch miss to ice the game?

No they missed that. But Tommy Bear is working on a video of him not rotating or making a face.
And Zach from the Post (Fat guy with glasses who never dribbled a ball) will ignore Randle's 15-25 last two games. Randle still needs to cut down on TOs but solid game today. 4-7 from three.

But JB was the man today. Incredible. Big basket after big basket.
RJs brain freeze on inbound made me throw the remote but he played well and has played well in the playoffs.
We have to give Grimes and JB some help.
Hopefully IQ and JHart get their games back.

Oh yeah those faces he makes - attach firsts and dump him! At least he made it through the year with no “thumbs down” - they hate that….

We also saw a stat how bad Steph Curry has been in clutch situations of late. Yet, he is the greatest PG in history?
He is nudging his way to mount rushmore? Context matters.

Hows this. Julius Fucking Randle is again 3rd team all NBA for the second time in three years. We won 47 games, about 10 more than predicted, did not struggle for playin game, but in fact finished 5th, beat the 4 seed and now down to a finals and playoff contending roster and look at us taking the media bait and blasting Randle for his brain farts the last few games.

Not sure what to make of this. He is not paid close to max money. He is maddening at times, should we accept him as he is and keep enjoying the team? I don’t know the path to improvement but FO seems to be doing well with it.