Nalod wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Thought that RJ was making more of an effort to get his teammates involved vs. NO. Dont see the trainwreck that some of you see. Dont believe that Brunson/Randle/Barrett is a good fit chemistrywise.

RJ still needs work on his decision making, shot selection, but Im seeing progress. Slower than expected yes. But he's getting there.

No one is untradeable, but I dont want a deal involving RJ if its a lateral move. Has to be a clear upgrade from a deal.

We shouldn’t be wasting time with 4th year players that still need to make more of an effort to involve their teammates- we already have 1 in Randle and he is far more talented vs RJ.

We already see the player profile we want Brunson, both Harts, IQ, Grimes, Duece — all these cats play the right way are leaders by example and don’t need to work on their unselfishness.

Stop wasting time with limited skill RJ who thinks he’s the Mamba and deserves shots - F off with that mentality.

How old was Randle when he broke out?
Brunson?

I understand this Nalod — my overall point on RJ is he doesn’t have the skill required to make those jumps.

He’s a slow robot with a sketch handle & no touch.

What was he the other night 9-11 inside 5 and 0-14 outside 5 feet?

jskinny35 wrote:I suspect it's a combination of the following: Brunson arriving/adjustment/spacing, not fitting great with Randle, and either a weight or nagging back issue. If Randle doesn't flame out again in the playoffs - I suspect and would support a trade of RJ as don't see a path for him to play to his ceiling as 3rd fiddle after Randle and Brunson. He could be an excellent 6th man but contract and age would say he will need to find a new home before hitting the bench. Hart is a much better fit in the short-term... kind of what we hoped Bullock would continue to develop into.

What do Randle and Brunson have to do with his crap shooting? Neither played the last two games and he shot like 1-for-12 from 3. Not buying it, he had room to be top fiddle, but instead, IQ, Grimes, and Obi all outperformed him.
He’s not 6th man because he’s not even 8th most impactful player on this team. Ok maybe you can argue 8th over Obi, but I’ll stick with Obi.

Brunson
Randle
IQ
Mitch
JHart
IHart
Grimes
Obi

fishmike wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

Nalod wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Thought that RJ was making more of an effort to get his teammates involved vs. NO. Dont see the trainwreck that some of you see. Dont believe that Brunson/Randle/Barrett is a good fit chemistrywise.

RJ still needs work on his decision making, shot selection, but Im seeing progress. Slower than expected yes. But he's getting there.

No one is untradeable, but I dont want a deal involving RJ if its a lateral move. Has to be a clear upgrade from a deal.

We shouldn’t be wasting time with 4th year players that still need to make more of an effort to involve their teammates- we already have 1 in Randle and he is far more talented vs RJ.

We already see the player profile we want Brunson, both Harts, IQ, Grimes, Duece — all these cats play the right way are leaders by example and don’t need to work on their unselfishness.

Stop wasting time with limited skill RJ who thinks he’s the Mamba and deserves shots - F off with that mentality.

How old was Randle when he broke out?
Brunson?

I understand this Nalod — my overall point on RJ is he doesn’t have the skill required to make those jumps.

He’s a slow robot with a sketch handle & no touch.

What was he the other night 9-11 inside 5 and 0-14 outside 5 feet?

there's nothing to understand. Randle/Brunson had clear progression in stats, skills, literally everything. Go look at their career stats and its incredibly easy to see Randle/Brunson getting better every year. RJ has not gotten better. It's that simple man. Next man up.

Could all this stardom is going through RJ's head. Something is wrong and RJ better stay in the gym instead of the streets.We will find out sooner than later. The New York streets will eat you up and spit you out.something is wrong with RJ and what about this unknown sickness that they wont talk about. I don't think that RJ is that bad of a player when his head is on right but right now RJ has some issues that we don't know about.

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:

fishmike wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

Nalod wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Thought that RJ was making more of an effort to get his teammates involved vs. NO. Dont see the trainwreck that some of you see. Dont believe that Brunson/Randle/Barrett is a good fit chemistrywise.

RJ still needs work on his decision making, shot selection, but Im seeing progress. Slower than expected yes. But he's getting there.

No one is untradeable, but I dont want a deal involving RJ if its a lateral move. Has to be a clear upgrade from a deal.

We shouldn’t be wasting time with 4th year players that still need to make more of an effort to involve their teammates- we already have 1 in Randle and he is far more talented vs RJ.

We already see the player profile we want Brunson, both Harts, IQ, Grimes, Duece — all these cats play the right way are leaders by example and don’t need to work on their unselfishness.

Stop wasting time with limited skill RJ who thinks he’s the Mamba and deserves shots - F off with that mentality.

How old was Randle when he broke out?
Brunson?

I understand this Nalod — my overall point on RJ is he doesn’t have the skill required to make those jumps.

He’s a slow robot with a sketch handle & no touch.

What was he the other night 9-11 inside 5 and 0-14 outside 5 feet?

there's nothing to understand. Randle/Brunson had clear progression in stats, skills, literally everything. Go look at their career stats and its incredibly easy to see Randle/Brunson getting better every year. RJ has not gotten better. It's that simple man. Next man up.

Papabear Says

Could all this stardom is going through RJ's head. Something is wrong and RJ better stay in the gym instead of the streets.We will find out sooner than later. The New York streets will eat you up and spit you out.something is wrong with RJ and what about this unknown sickness that they wont talk about. I don't think that RJ is that bad of a player when his head is on right but right now RJ has some issues that we don't know about.

What are you reading about that indicates an ego issue?
I have read about Jah Morant, but nothing about RJ.
From what I recall when Kobe died he asked to stop being called "maple Mamba".
If anything, IM seeing a kid pressing as he is not performing to his new contract from the outside.
Since "Beat" reporters are a thing of the past we don't get much about players and what they are like outside.
He has s strong work ethic as a reputation and seems to finish games stronger than starting.
I have no idea what FO thinks and if he would be traded or not based on their parameters.
Fans seem to magnify is foibles then emphisize what he is doing better. He is under a fan microscope in part due to the rise of Grimes and IQ.
Is that fair? Depends on the fan I suppose. Lets hope he can tighten up his efficiency and be all we hoped he can.

Dude, what is fair about a guy getting minutes when other people are more effective at his job? That's fair?
Why? Because he was the 3rd pick? Or because he's only 22, as you have to keep reminding us?

BTW, no one is saying throw him in the trash heap. I hear people asking to make a lateral trade for a better fit.
I personally would (for now) be satisfied if he got a few fewer minutes, got reined in to do what he does well, stop pounding the ball, and not shoot more than 3 3-ptrs per game until he feels more comfortable with it. Don't make the rest of the team have to pick up the slack.

Hope your right. I don't see us going anywhere the way he's been playing!

ccch wrote:So in a way he is being "accountable".
I suspect this occurs during the upcoming series with Cavs.

Hope your right. I don't see us going anywhere the way he's been playing!

RJ is the X factor. If he hits the 3 at a respectable rate he will be awesome if he doesn't hold the ball too much

Jmpasq wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

ccch wrote:So in a way he is being "accountable".
I suspect this occurs during the upcoming series with Cavs.

Hope your right. I don't see us going anywhere the way he's been playing!

So the third option on your team dictates where they are going?

He shouldn't be the 3rd option. 3rd option should be Quickley

So you're saying the 4th option dictates where they are going?

Panos wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

ccch wrote:So in a way he is being "accountable".
I suspect this occurs during the upcoming series with Cavs.

Hope your right. I don't see us going anywhere the way he's been playing!

So the third option on your team dictates where they are going?

He shouldn't be the 3rd option. 3rd option should be Quickley

So you're saying the 4th option dictates where they are going?

Eighth. Eighth option.

Hmm...now I'm not sure whether to be impressed or disappointed in us.

Take that however you see fit.

TPercy wrote:RJ barret is 3rd in the league in total spot up attempts (430)......and has only scored 390 points from these. Some of the worst effiecincy I've seen in a while.

"A spot-up shooter is a player who runs to a spot on the floor, catches the ball and shoots quickly"..........

Yeah, its his worst attribute. I looked it up, he just a tad bit more then Fultz, who I thought fixed his shot some.
Its a bad look for him. In the 24 percentile. he has to fix that **** for sure!

EwingsGlass wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Panos wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:

fishmike wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

Nalod wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Thought that RJ was making more of an effort to get his teammates involved vs. NO. Dont see the trainwreck that some of you see. Dont believe that Brunson/Randle/Barrett is a good fit chemistrywise.

RJ still needs work on his decision making, shot selection, but Im seeing progress. Slower than expected yes. But he's getting there.

No one is untradeable, but I dont want a deal involving RJ if its a lateral move. Has to be a clear upgrade from a deal.

We shouldn’t be wasting time with 4th year players that still need to make more of an effort to involve their teammates- we already have 1 in Randle and he is far more talented vs RJ.

We already see the player profile we want Brunson, both Harts, IQ, Grimes, Duece — all these cats play the right way are leaders by example and don’t need to work on their unselfishness.

Stop wasting time with limited skill RJ who thinks he’s the Mamba and deserves shots - F off with that mentality.

How old was Randle when he broke out?
Brunson?

I understand this Nalod — my overall point on RJ is he doesn’t have the skill required to make those jumps.

He’s a slow robot with a sketch handle & no touch.

What was he the other night 9-11 inside 5 and 0-14 outside 5 feet?

there's nothing to understand. Randle/Brunson had clear progression in stats, skills, literally everything. Go look at their career stats and its incredibly easy to see Randle/Brunson getting better every year. RJ has not gotten better. It's that simple man. Next man up.

Papabear Says

Could all this stardom is going through RJ's head. Something is wrong and RJ better stay in the gym instead of the streets.We will find out sooner than later. The New York streets will eat you up and spit you out.something is wrong with RJ and what about this unknown sickness that they wont talk about. I don't think that RJ is that bad of a player when his head is on right but right now RJ has some issues that we don't know about.

What are you reading about that indicates an ego issue?
I have read about Jah Morant, but nothing about RJ.
From what I recall when Kobe died he asked to stop being called "maple Mamba".
If anything, IM seeing a kid pressing as he is not performing to his new contract from the outside.
Since "Beat" reporters are a thing of the past we don't get much about players and what they are like outside.
He has s strong work ethic as a reputation and seems to finish games stronger than starting.
I have no idea what FO thinks and if he would be traded or not based on their parameters.
Fans seem to magnify is foibles then emphisize what he is doing better. He is under a fan microscope in part due to the rise of Grimes and IQ.
Is that fair? Depends on the fan I suppose. Lets hope he can tighten up his efficiency and be all we hoped he can.

Dude, what is fair about a guy getting minutes when other people are more effective at his job? That's fair?
Why? Because he was the 3rd pick? Or because he's only 22, as you have to keep reminding us?

BTW, no one is saying throw him in the trash heap. I hear people asking to make a lateral trade for a better fit.
I personally would (for now) be satisfied if he got a few fewer minutes, got reined in to do what he does well, stop pounding the ball, and not shoot more than 3 3-ptrs per game until he feels more comfortable with it. Don't make the rest of the team have to pick up the slack.

He avg's 20 pts a game. Deserve minutes? This is not rec league, its pro.
I agree about the 3's. The nine he donuted was him going wild? or his coaches telling him to go out and see if you can find the rhythm.
We have seen him cut down on them over the last few weeks.
Pick up the slack? I don't see him as a detriment. Usually if he does not hit he stops and goes to the rim.
HIs minutes are down and if he not doing **** Thibs finishes with Hart and IQ or Grimes.
So in a way he is being "accountable".
I suspect this occurs during the upcoming series with Cavs.

That's an incredibly inefficient 20 points per game. Randall fixed a bit of his efficiency. Barrett has not. He's under the fan microscope because he is getting 34 minutes a game not because of IQ or Grimes. He's shooting inefficiently with volume. That's not a microscope, its broadcast television. Nobody's beating up McBride's bad shooting right now. Fournier's poor shooting isn't the topic of much conversation. Barrett has a subpar shooting stroke for starting SFs in the league.

But yeah, if IQ has a .537 eFG on 11 shots a game, maybe he should take more shots. If we have Grimes taking 8 shots a game with a .599 eFG and Barrett taking 16 shots a game with a .485 eFG, I do think its fair to ask whether Grimes maybe moves up in the pecking order.

I think the hope is that 22 year old Barrett emulates his Canadian peer, Andrew Wiggins. Their stats look similar. But it took Wiggins a switch to GS to get that efficiency boost. Game's not over for Barrett, but he needs to get that efficiency up. I don't advocate selling low, but something has to change.

No disagreement on those points!

jskinny35 wrote:

Panos wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:I suspect it's a combination of the following: Brunson arriving/adjustment/spacing, not fitting great with Randle, and either a weight or nagging back issue. If Randle doesn't flame out again in the playoffs - I suspect and would support a trade of RJ as don't see a path for him to play to his ceiling as 3rd fiddle after Randle and Brunson. He could be an excellent 6th man but contract and age would say he will need to find a new home before hitting the bench. Hart is a much better fit in the short-term... kind of what we hoped Bullock would continue to develop into.

What do Randle and Brunson have to do with his crap shooting? Neither played the last two games and he shot like 1-for-12 from 3. Not buying it, he had room to be top fiddle, but instead, IQ, Grimes, and Obi all outperformed him.
He’s not 6th man because he’s not even 8th most impactful player on this team. Ok maybe you can argue 8th over Obi, but I’ll stick with Obi.

Brunson
Randle
IQ
Mitch
JHart
IHart
Grimes
Obi

RJ receives more kickouts this year due to Brunson and Randle presence. In fairness - all 3 players are adjusting to dominating the ball and trying to alleviate spacing by shooting kickout threes as well. Brunson and Randle are just doing it much better IMO.

Generally speaking - it would seem to be less impactful for bench players (eg IQ) to shift their support from one starter to another (RJ to Brunson) vs RJ going from #2 to #3 in pecking order. Second half of last season he briefly moved into that position (when Randle was moody) and he performed much better. It's different when you are the one driving and kicking out to everyone who is a better outside threat vs being the shooter who receives the kickouts (when outside shooting is not your strength). He needs to do it and improve as a shooter no question.

For what it's worth - I agree that RJ is not fitting well around Brunson and Randle and probably should be moved in the offseason. Just think we should consider some obvious changes this year as most would agree that Brunson has positively impacted Randle's play.

Any coincidence Grimes had some good games with Randle out to finish the season?

(Excuses-excuses)........Rj, and perhaps by his own making had forced some ugly ones when the shot clock ran down.
Im sure the staff dissects it far better than we can.

At this point I would not expect much change as that can really mess with a players head.
Knicks won 47 games with obi and RJ in there respective roles. It got them the 5 seed warts and all.