martin wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Rookie wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Last year I thought Brunson might be valued as a max contract or close. He didn’t get it but in retrospect he was worthy.
I think the same thing is happening with Iq. He’s a burgeoning star two way guard. Won’t a team try to pay up to get him— can the Knicks even match? What a turn around by the way. At points he was a Mendoza line player. Always tough but Mendoza like.

IQ on rookie contract. They can extend him 4 years this summer OR he plays the year out and can sign a 5 year deal. He would be a RFA after this summer (if he doesn't sign) and Knicks could match any offer by another team.

I think he will sign 4 year extension this summer for under the $100M mark.

4 years/$76-$80M? Sounds about right. But it only takes one team to throw things out of wack.

There is no way he gets less than Barrett money. He is a more valuable player. Just look who is in the game at the end.

Objectively what is now is not what might be. This lineup works now, FOR NOW. Trying to piece the puzzle of the future is never easy for a fan. IQ is doing great but he does not have the body of work to warrant 20mil. Barrett need not be in the convo for IQ’s money. Its different player, position and Barretts 3 prior years of improvement.
I see IQ as a 15-18mm player. And yes, if another team sees it different then thats another story perhaps.

EF’s contract is a trade asset for next year. So is Grimes or IQ and with a pick your now in the conversation for a “star”. Who that is I cannot see.

Knicks are. Young, have picks, doing well, have a good base and are prime for a consolidation deal. Where is RJ in the conversation? I don’t know. I do know that this FO is professional and patient. Remember when Knicks were 3 under and Cavs came to town and Thibs was rumored on the hot seat? One month in and fans were freaking out.
I don’t know if RJ is a good fit going forward and his play is effected by Randle and Brunsons ascension.

My preference is to rehab him and if he is a knick going forward so be it. If he is part of a big trade, then let the cards fall as they may. Fact is he is playing under 30 min now and team is winning. JHart was a great add.

Be honest, few if any saw that coming. Its why fans suck at pretend GM. Except for NYKmentality who is flying high!

Barrett is not a good fit with Brunson and Randle. We don't need another high usage player looking for 20 shots in the starting line-up. Try to move him for OG.

I could be wrong, but isn't there reports he wants to be a higher usage guy looking for 20 shots a game?

I think they meant type of usage versus volume of shots

Fair enough...

HofstraBBall wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Totally disagree.
Since day one as a 21 year he earned 20 minutes a game with a coach with affinity for vets.
He also shot 38% from three. Made an impact as soon as he came in the game.
Second year he earned more minutes but was asked to be the lead PG in second year. Too much imho. Despite that he had a decent year. The truth of the matter is he was put in a bad position.
Some expected too much. Not on him
This year, in only his third year he is a candidate for 6tj man, is a big reason why we are playing well. Disagree that there were any concerns about his shot, dribbling or being dependent on contact. He had all the tools and the only question was how much trust and time he would be given.
Rewarding Thibs for doing so this year.

He got a lot of time last night.

Rookie wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Totally disagree.
Since day one as a 21 year he earned 20 minutes a game with a coach with affinity for vets.
He also shot 38% from three. Made an impact as soon as he came in the game.
Second year he earned more minutes but was asked to be the lead PG in second year. Too much imho. Despite that he had a decent year. The truth of the matter is he was put in a bad position.
Some expected too much. Not on him
This year, in only his third year he is a candidate for 6tj man, is a big reason why we are playing well. Disagree that there were any concerns about his shot, dribbling or being dependent on contact. He had all the tools and the only question was how much trust and time he would be given.
Rewarding Thibs for doing so this year.

Seems like yesterday the kid ONLY had a floater and an erratic 3pt shot. IQ sets the example of hard work and discipline for the rest of the young bloods. 25M which is also what I said pages back. You do not let this kid become an RFA unless it’s his choice. I doubt our FO screws around with this

If this is all true where teams are lining up to get him as a starter (a market for him) and this is his destiny, the knicks then have to determine to keep him or Brunson?
If Brunson is the man, Quickly will be traded if thats what he wants. A 4-5 year deal at 20-25mil and the security that comes with it as a starter in the NBA.
Knicks should get a good price in return. Can't fault them for doing this nor "Good riddance" for IQ for wanting this. Im sure he loves the knick and every single one of his fans, especially on the UK, but he takes a discount or early extension because its logical, not because he loves you.
His true market value is not the emotional fan base lift after a career night vs a very good team. I can't tell you what it is either.

Knickoftime wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Rookie wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Totally disagree.
Since day one as a 21 year he earned 20 minutes a game with a coach with affinity for vets.
He also shot 38% from three. Made an impact as soon as he came in the game.
Second year he earned more minutes but was asked to be the lead PG in second year. Too much imho. Despite that he had a decent year. The truth of the matter is he was put in a bad position.
Some expected too much. Not on him
This year, in only his third year he is a candidate for 6tj man, is a big reason why we are playing well. Disagree that there were any concerns about his shot, dribbling or being dependent on contact. He had all the tools and the only question was how much trust and time he would be given.
Rewarding Thibs for doing so this year.

Seems like yesterday the kid ONLY had a floater and an erratic 3pt shot. IQ sets the example of hard work and discipline for the rest of the young bloods. 25M which is also what I said pages back. You do not let this kid become an RFA unless it’s his choice. I doubt our FO screws around with this

If this is all true where teams are lining up to get him as a starter (a market for him) and this is his destiny, the knicks then have to determine to keep him or Brunson?
If Brunson is the man, Quickly will be traded if thats what he wants. A 4-5 year deal at 20-25mil and the security that comes with it as a starter in the NBA.
Knicks should get a good price in return. Can't fault them for doing this nor "Good riddance" for IQ for wanting this. Im sure he loves the knick and every single one of his fans, especially on the UK, but he takes a discount or early extension because its logical, not because he loves you.
His true market value is not the emotional fan base lift after a career night vs a very good team. I can't tell you what it is either.

I'm confused.

Why are we preparing for his departure?

I don't get the logic.

Knicks are trading him to make him happy?

It doesn’t have to be either he or Brunson. They can coexist fine and start when the Knicks choose.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Rookie wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Totally disagree.
Since day one as a 21 year he earned 20 minutes a game with a coach with affinity for vets.
He also shot 38% from three. Made an impact as soon as he came in the game.
Second year he earned more minutes but was asked to be the lead PG in second year. Too much imho. Despite that he had a decent year. The truth of the matter is he was put in a bad position.
Some expected too much. Not on him
This year, in only his third year he is a candidate for 6tj man, is a big reason why we are playing well. Disagree that there were any concerns about his shot, dribbling or being dependent on contact. He had all the tools and the only question was how much trust and time he would be given.
Rewarding Thibs for doing so this year.

Seems like yesterday the kid ONLY had a floater and an erratic 3pt shot. IQ sets the example of hard work and discipline for the rest of the young bloods. 25M which is also what I said pages back. You do not let this kid become an RFA unless it’s his choice. I doubt our FO screws around with this

If this is all true where teams are lining up to get him as a starter (a market for him) and this is his destiny, the knicks then have to determine to keep him or Brunson?
If Brunson is the man, Quickly will be traded if thats what he wants. A 4-5 year deal at 20-25mil and the security that comes with it as a starter in the NBA.
Knicks should get a good price in return. Can't fault them for doing this nor "Good riddance" for IQ for wanting this. Im sure he loves the knick and every single one of his fans, especially on the UK, but he takes a discount or early extension because its logical, not because he loves you.
His true market value is not the emotional fan base lift after a career night vs a very good team. I can't tell you what it is either.

I'm confused.

Why are we preparing for his departure?

I don't get the logic.

Knicks are trading him to make him happy?

It doesn’t have to be either he or Brunson. They can coexist fine and start when the Knicks choose.

To reiterate this point you just have to look at our closing lineups. Most which have IQ in and Grimes or RJ off. Feel IQ works well in different roles, and Thibs likes him and KB together.
So do not see a JB OR IQ type decision.

Think this is a classic case of overthinking.

Knicks essentially own him through his second contract.

That simple.

Knickoftime wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Rookie wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Totally disagree.
Since day one as a 21 year he earned 20 minutes a game with a coach with affinity for vets.
He also shot 38% from three. Made an impact as soon as he came in the game.
Second year he earned more minutes but was asked to be the lead PG in second year. Too much imho. Despite that he had a decent year. The truth of the matter is he was put in a bad position.
Some expected too much. Not on him
This year, in only his third year he is a candidate for 6tj man, is a big reason why we are playing well. Disagree that there were any concerns about his shot, dribbling or being dependent on contact. He had all the tools and the only question was how much trust and time he would be given.
Rewarding Thibs for doing so this year.

Seems like yesterday the kid ONLY had a floater and an erratic 3pt shot. IQ sets the example of hard work and discipline for the rest of the young bloods. 25M which is also what I said pages back. You do not let this kid become an RFA unless it’s his choice. I doubt our FO screws around with this

If this is all true where teams are lining up to get him as a starter (a market for him) and this is his destiny, the knicks then have to determine to keep him or Brunson?
If Brunson is the man, Quickly will be traded if thats what he wants. A 4-5 year deal at 20-25mil and the security that comes with it as a starter in the NBA.
Knicks should get a good price in return. Can't fault them for doing this nor "Good riddance" for IQ for wanting this. Im sure he loves the knick and every single one of his fans, especially on the UK, but he takes a discount or early extension because its logical, not because he loves you.
His true market value is not the emotional fan base lift after a career night vs a very good team. I can't tell you what it is either.

I'm confused.

Why are we preparing for his departure?

I don't get the logic.

Knicks are trading him to make him happy?

It doesn’t have to be either he or Brunson. They can coexist fine and start when the Knicks choose.

To reiterate this point you just have to look at our closing lineups. Most which have IQ in and Grimes or RJ off. Feel IQ works well in different roles, and Thibs likes him and KB together.
So do not see a JB OR IQ type decision.

Think this is a classic case of overthinking.

Knicks essentially own him through his second contract.

That simple.

It’s not that simple. They control their own destiny, but the market controls price and terms. You subject yourself to poison pill provisions. You run the risk that they accept the Qualifying Offer and play the final year out.

If the feeling is mutual, make a deal. In fact, if both sides are willing and can agree on a total contract price, you can do a reducing scale contract to save future cap. There are real benefits to negotiating early.

You let a RFA test the market when you fundamentally disagree on worth. Then you let the market tell you.

I certainly extend IQ if he is willing, I just hope they get good value on the contract.

martin wrote:Bobby Marks take on how much IQ gonna get paid:

https://nypost.com/2023/03/06/knicks-face-difficult-decision-to-lock-up-immanuel-quickley/

“He’s a hard one. You want more of a body of work playing big minutes. [Sunday] night was beyond big minutes,” ESPN salary cap guru Bobby Marks, the former Nets executive, said in a phone interview. “But at the end of the day, where does he fall into the pecking order of Brunson, you still have [Julius] Randle, [RJ] Barrett’s contract hasn’t started yet, eventually [Quentin] Grimes. You want to prioritize cap space certainly in 2024. I think he’s a priority for New York, but I don’t think he’s a July 1 priority.”

Currently, the 23-year-old Quickley’s cap hold (the placeholder amount a player counts against the team’s salary cap until he either signs a new deal or has his rights renounced) for the 2024-25 season is $12.5 million, a figure that is tied to where he was selected in the draft, 25th overall in 2020.

An extension would obviously pay him more than that. Marks estimated that a reasonable deal for both parties would be similar to the four-year, $95 million extension the Hawks gave De’Andre Hunter last October.

Wings such as Hunter, it should be noted, are valued more than true guards like the 6-foot-3 Quickley, according to Marks.

He is unlikely to get a deal similar to what Tyler Herro (4 years, $130 million) or the Warriors’ Jordan Poole (4 years, $140 million) received.

“He’s not getting that,” Marks said. “There’s less of a body of work for Quickley than those guys.”

Trying to make heads or tails of this... if we're talking Quickley getting paid in 2024 or 2025, the body of work issue is way premature. Who the hells what he does the rest of this year, the postseason, and the 2023-2024 season and postseason.

As to 2024 and the premise "You want to prioritize cap space certainly in 2024" I'm not sure Marks looked at the Knicks numbers closely enough. Assuming Hart re-ups, and assuming the Knicks DON'T cash in Fournier for another piece in a trade, Knicks aren't looking at max space in the summer of 2024 with Randle, Brunson, Barrett, Hart, and Robinson all locked up.

So the calculus is is there a second tier FA (non-Max) available to the knicks more valuable than Quickley.

Re-upping Quickley to a team friendly deal this summer or letting him test the RFA market next summer seems pretty straightforward to me.