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Nalod
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2/9/2023  10:27 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/9/2023  10:28 AM
Nalod wrote:If I have to guess, minutes come from Deuce, RJ, and IQ if he goes 10 deep.
If he stays 9 deep Deuce is out. Grimes could have some reduced as Hart/RJ wings.
Looking just at this season. Who knows after this.
If Obi gets dumped for a pick, RJ can play back up there.

I would like some size behind Randle but Obi is here and restricted so nothing has to be done yet.
Day is young still.
Im a fan of Grimes but Hart could start. Grimes has hit a bit of a wall.
Not saying it lasts forever.
I know what fans think of RJ, we don’t know what knicks coaches and FO does. My fanboy in me does not allow objectivity but I think we have over relied on him and while he is in his 4th year, he still is 22 and might have hit an exhaustion wall to some extent.
He does shine at end of games.
I doubt he goes to the bench and Hart plays the 3. He is a guard.

If Grimes is expendable does that open him up to be part of a big trade? Just talking out loud. If OG was on the table and Raptors wanted him we it palatable for us to move him.
Suprised Toronto has been quiet thus far.
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2/9/2023  10:35 AM
fishmike wrote:Ultimate TANK!!!!!

Knicks are 7th... Wizards are 1/2 game out of the last play in. Imagine a scenario where the Wizards knocked us out of the playoffs/play in resulting in their pick conveying and Knicks keeping theirs as its a lottery pick (which we of course win and draft Wemby)

put the pipe down!

I know this team is frustrating to watch, but with this deal, assuming we don't have any major player injuries to Randle or JB, I think we're a lock to make the play offs.
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2/9/2023  10:43 AM
Nalod wrote:
Nalod wrote:If I have to guess, minutes come from Deuce, RJ, and IQ if he goes 10 deep.
If he stays 9 deep Deuce is out. Grimes could have some reduced as Hart/RJ wings.
Looking just at this season. Who knows after this.
If Obi gets dumped for a pick, RJ can play back up there.

I would like some size behind Randle but Obi is here and restricted so nothing has to be done yet.
Day is young still.
Im a fan of Grimes but Hart could start. Grimes has hit a bit of a wall.
Not saying it lasts forever.
I know what fans think of RJ, we don’t know what knicks coaches and FO does. My fanboy in me does not allow objectivity but I think we have over relied on him and while he is in his 4th year, he still is 22 and might have hit an exhaustion wall to some extent.
He does shine at end of games.
I doubt he goes to the bench and Hart plays the 3. He is a guard.

If Grimes is expendable does that open him up to be part of a big trade? Just talking out loud. If OG was on the table and Raptors wanted him we it palatable for us to move him.
Suprised Toronto has been quiet thus far.

Grimes doesnt strike me as the kind of player who can get buckets in his sleep. Hurt you a bunch of different ways on the court. Thats what you need from a starting SG, and Grimes doesnt give you that.

Grimes does give you elite defense, next level passing at times, and 3 point shooting at times. Every shooting guard in the league is scoring more. Would rather have Hart or Quickley start.

At least as a PG, Grimes can use his burst to get open looks, find teammates. Otherwise its mostly about Grimes being a defensive specialist. Thats not enough of a reason to start.
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2/9/2023  10:49 AM
A new guy who won’t be in the rotation. Cool.
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2/9/2023  10:54 AM
Who, Josh Hart? He will definitely be in the rotation. He is a Thibs player.

Philc1 wrote:A new guy who won’t be in the rotation. Cool.
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2/9/2023  10:58 AM
NYStateOfMind wrote:Who, Josh Hart? He will definitely be in the rotation. He is a Thibs player.

Philc1 wrote:A new guy who won’t be in the rotation. Cool.

Brunson cant wait to get the second half started, with his old college teammate.
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2/9/2023  10:59 AM
NYStateOfMind wrote:Who, Josh Hart? He will definitely be in the rotation. He is a Thibs player.

Philc1 wrote:A new guy who won’t be in the rotation. Cool.

So who is getting injured?
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2/9/2023  11:00 AM
Philc1 wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:Who, Josh Hart? He will definitely be in the rotation. He is a Thibs player.

Philc1 wrote:A new guy who won’t be in the rotation. Cool.

So who is getting injured?

More like who is on thin ice?
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2/9/2023  11:08 AM
This is another guy that can't shoot 3's though
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2/9/2023  11:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/9/2023  11:18 AM
Philc1 wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:Who, Josh Hart? He will definitely be in the rotation. He is a Thibs player.

Philc1 wrote:A new guy who won’t be in the rotation. Cool.

So who is getting injured?

You don't have enough imagination to figure out how this will play out with Josh getting minutes?

This is not rocket science.

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2/9/2023  11:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/9/2023  11:37 AM
You know what the wild part is?

I don't know if the Knicks could have done this trade WITHOUT trading for Cam a year ago, as strange as that sounds.

Would POR have taken the CHA first (in the Cam deal and now probably considered a lock to transfer to 2 second round picks) and the 2023 pick and Knox (or other dead weight salary) for example for salary?

Prob not?

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2/9/2023  11:48 AM
martin wrote:You know what the wild part is?

I don't know if the Knicks could have done this trade WITHOUT trading for Cam a year ago, as strange as that sounds.

Would POR have taken the CHA first (in the Cam deal and now probably considered a lock to transfer to 2 second round picks) and the 2023 pick and Knox (or other dead weight salary) for example for salary?

Prob not?

there's gonna be the doom and gloomers. I was not a huge fan or proponent of trading any picks for role player, but Hart is a REALLY GOOD role player and is such a good fit it just makes a ton of sense. He will really help and fit in.
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2/9/2023  12:01 PM
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2/9/2023  12:10 PM
martin wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:Who, Josh Hart? He will definitely be in the rotation. He is a Thibs player.

Philc1 wrote:A new guy who won’t be in the rotation. Cool.

So who is getting injured?

You don't have enough imagination to figure out how this will play out with Josh getting minutes?

This is not rocket science.

Approximate Current Minutes Distribution(assumes a healthy Mitch back)

Brunson - 35
Grimes - 31
Barrett - 35
Randle - 36
Mitch - 27
IQ - 28
Deuce - 13
Obi - 15
I-Hart - 20


Here's my guess on future minutes with J-Hart (with apologies to blkexec and other big Deuce supporters out there)

Brunson - 35
J Hart - 30
Barrett - 28
Randle - 35
Mitch - 27
IQ - 25
Grimes - 25
Obi - 15
I-Hart - 20
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2/9/2023  12:14 PM
foosballnick wrote:
martin wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
NYStateOfMind wrote:Who, Josh Hart? He will definitely be in the rotation. He is a Thibs player.

Philc1 wrote:A new guy who won’t be in the rotation. Cool.

So who is getting injured?

You don't have enough imagination to figure out how this will play out with Josh getting minutes?

This is not rocket science.

Approximate Current Minutes Distribution(assumes a healthy Mitch back)

Brunson - 35
Grimes - 31
Barrett - 35
Randle - 36
Mitch - 27
IQ - 28
Deuce - 13
Obi - 15
I-Hart - 20


Here's my guess on future minutes with J-Hart (with apologies to blkexec and other big Deuce supporters out there)

Brunson - 35
J Hart - 30
Barrett - 28
Randle - 35
Mitch - 27
IQ - 25
Grimes - 25
Obi - 15
I-Hart - 20

Yeah not too bad. I'd say that Brunson's minutes would come down too and given to IQ.

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2/9/2023  12:18 PM
We should have traded for Jae Crowder instead, given that he cost Milwaukee 5 second rounders, almost the same as what we gave up for Hart.
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2/9/2023  12:26 PM
The similarities and overlap between Grimes, IQ, Deuce is wild to me, in a good way

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2/9/2023  2:03 PM
Like it! Needed another dirty work wing in the rotation.
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2/9/2023  2:26 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
martin wrote:Josh Hart had been the starting SF for Portland

Is FO shifting on RJ long term?

Having thoughts/fears of Zach Lavine.
RJ, Obi, Rose and picks for Zach.

Thoughts getting stronger.

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