Anunoby has been a key cog for Toronto this season, averaging 16.9 points, 5.5 rebounds and 2.0 assists per game. He's putting together an All-Defensive Team caliber campaign, averaging a career-high and league-leading 2.1 steals per game.

Regarding OG, or any other the notion of adding "Caruso" or "Lavine" without the cost factor or what it does to our cap is not the full picture.
Im reading "Rose restructure his contract".........Is that a thing? He has a club option with a 50% payout if not picked up. That would fall on any team picking him up.
Brunson/Lavine back court has a lot of firepower but chemistry is suspect? Maybe?
OG/Brunson/RJ are interchangeable as OG can guard the 2 as can RJ.
The price? Lets just say if IQ is as good as advertised his value should help. Im not saying "get rid of him". Its about OG and playing time.

quickley projects to a 6th man/microwave guy in the mold of lou williams (%'s are eerily similar tho lou became a much better 3 point shooter the later half of his career). he's not a traditional pg that can run an offense so *if* he's starting, it's next to some play makers. he's basically a 40 fg% and 34.5 3fg% shooter and that's not going to cut it for starting material. he would have to become an elite catch & shoot 3 point guy.

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:IQ seems to be developing off the bench quite nicely. RJ can't do the same?

I wouldn't have a problem with it personally, but the optics are a little different when you make $26M a year. RJ is making small improvements and is creeping toward league average metrics for a wing. Let's hope he keeps improving to the point where it stops becoming an issue, one way or the other.

My personal opinion about RJ aside, I think it would actually HELP his development. He would literally be the focus of a unit without Randle mucking things up.

I actually think RJ is the one guy who would be an ideal candidate in terms of optics. He wouldn't like it of course but he is a good soldier type. And he has his contract, so he can't really do much about it.

It gets him more with IQ, Deuce, RJ, ?, Hart. Lots more space to work with.

Eh, if I'm a GM and you're trying to trade me RJ, I'm using any benching to knock off value off the bat. One of our mid 3 will have to go if the front office is serious about catching one of the big fish and, from a win now perspective, RJ is the likely candidate. I don't think this is the right course of action and believe the team should still be in the asset collection stage, but I'm not the GM. Anyway, I think they're trying to pump and dump RJ.

Same

OG is a really valuable player in the league, but you have to manage the cost vs. upside and improvement.

I think my best offers would be Obi/Cam and 2 of the 3 Wash/Det/Milw FRPs. Those picks are NOT trash and have the kind of declining protecting that could end up being good late lottery picks. Maybe if they are hard for something in this draft the WORST of the NY/Dallas 2023 FRPs.

That puts OG at SF, moves RJ to SG and really helps our bench with IQ/Grimes coming off LOOKING for shots.

But this puts them at odds with developing their youth because OG will be taking Grimes minutes and possibly Quickley. I'm not worried about RJ. He has shown he can do things he just needs to click it all together and do them all at the same time. He will get his minutes.

I'm all for upgrading talent, as long as the cost isn't prohibitive, but I think this (and generally some posters) need to decide if they want to win now or develop youth. Going all in on a guy like OG means alot of dedication to OG..meaning guys like Grimes will be looking for other opportunities (and apparently a guy like Grimes may have them in abundance).

A win now move like OG I'm not sure makes the Knicks as much better as some will think. He is a super role player. He is a couple more wins. And even tempering some of the trade deadline expectations. I forget who it was but someone either in this thread or another was talking about trading for 3 high profile starters...realistically that won't happen and will hurt this team in the short run because they will never gel by the playoffs.

My personal belief is getting lower cost (to acquire) vets that will fit the system and let the youth develop. This season is already a win in regards to how the team is playing. I have no expectation but a competitive second round exit will placate me and a competitive conference finals exit would have me ecstatic.

There is no combo of trades this team can make that is getting it past the conference finals given the dynamics of cost/team dynamics/point in the season that it will have to overcome.

BRIGGS wrote:Raptors played dam good tonight wo og

Isn’t it a little concerning to anyone that they don’t seem to miss him at all when he doesn’t play and might even be a better team without him? It can update just be a fit with Siakam and Barnes thing but it’s the same here with RJ and Randle.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Raptors played dam good tonight wo og

Isn’t it a little concerning to anyone that they don’t seem to miss him at all when he doesn’t play and might even be a better team without him? It can update just be a fit with Siakam and Barnes thing but it’s the same here with RJ and Randle.

Precious has really stepped up for them in his absence and it brings more balance to their lineups. I just think OG becomes kinda redundant with Barnes and Siakam.

No snide BS bit it makes you question whether his fit here is a good fit...

BigDaddyG wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Raptors played dam good tonight wo og

Isn’t it a little concerning to anyone that they don’t seem to miss him at all when he doesn’t play and might even be a better team without him? It can update just be a fit with Siakam and Barnes thing but it’s the same here with RJ and Randle.

Precious has really stepped up for them in his absence and it brings more balance to their lineups. I just think OG becomes kinda redundant with Barnes and Siakam.

No snide BS bit it makes you question whether his fit here is a good fit...

I question his fit too. I see OG as the icing on the cake for roster that's knocking on the door. Three first round picks seems a bit pricey for me. Would he help the roster? Sure, but how much? 5th or 6th seed? I don't know?

The offer is probably one Knicks pick and 2 of the other team picks. Those picks continue to carry pretty limited value. They probably bring in an Eric Gordon level player on their own. So it’s just a matter of what specific picks are being offered as opposed to saying 3 is too much.

Knixkik wrote:

djsunyc wrote:i don't think obi has a role in nyc. looks like he can be a scorer but doesn't provide too much defense. that's probably why thibs doesn't play him. from the games i've watched him vs. the raptors the past few years, he's kind of missing assignments away from the ball.

quickley projects to a 6th man/microwave guy in the mold of lou williams (%'s are eerily similar tho lou became a much better 3 point shooter the later half of his career). he's not a traditional pg that can run an offense so *if* he's starting, it's next to some play makers. he's basically a 40 fg% and 34.5 3fg% shooter and that's not going to cut it for starting material. he would have to become an elite catch & shoot 3 point guy.

Quickley is becoming unique in the fact that he’s not a traditional Lou Williams 6th man because he’s becoming an elite defender as well. He’s becoming a very complete player. Knicks need to lock him up. He’s more untouchable than Barrett these days because the Knicks will look to upgrade their starting lineup eventually but it would be much harder to upgrade their 6th man. Quickley is a modern day Starks for this team and I hope he spends his entire career here.

This.
IQ, when focussed, does a good job of running an offense.
Feel if he is given the chance to run a first units offense, for a whole year, would excel more than most think.

We have to lock him up.

Obi, needs to continue to add to his offensive game, strengthen lower body for rebounding and defense and improve his overall defense.

martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Raptors played dam good tonight wo og

Isn’t it a little concerning to anyone that they don’t seem to miss him at all when he doesn’t play and might even be a better team without him? It can update just be a fit with Siakam and Barnes thing but it’s the same here with RJ and Randle.

Precious has really stepped up for them in his absence and it brings more balance to their lineups. I just think OG becomes kinda redundant with Barnes and Siakam.

No snide BS bit it makes you question whether his fit here is a good fit...

I question his fit too. I see OG as the icing on the cake for roster that's knocking on the door. Three first round picks seems a bit pricey for me. Would he help the roster? Sure, but how much? 5th or 6th seed? I don't know?

To me a guy like OG is a floor raiser rather than a ceiling raiser, and depending on the the outgoing assets, is a worthwhile addition, especially for how the Knicks are built.

Big wing, elite level defender who can guard all 5 positions.

What do you do with RJ? I thought moving him to the 2nd unit was an option until he stated playing more with the 2nd unit. He really does benefit from teams focusing on stopping Randle and Brunson. In the 2nd unit it really exposes RJ he is not ready to be the 1st option. Randle OG and RJ are just a bad fit together. Everyone is going to be standing around ball watching. Brunson IQ or Brunson Grimes if Grimes can make a jump in his 3rd year are better fits. I just don’t see OG making us better unless the goal is to kelp teams under 100 points

I'm sorry. I know this is a highlight reel and won't show his weaknesses, but giving credence to both offense and defense, OG would automatically become the second best player on the team, no?

What am I missing that people think guys like Grimes and IQ are better than OG Anunoby? I like our guys too, but realistically, this guy has much better biometrics, a high motor and is more established. I don't get the misgivings. We can always talk about the cost, but I cannot name another player remotely available that would have the same impact here as OG.

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Raptors played dam good tonight wo og

Isn’t it a little concerning to anyone that they don’t seem to miss him at all when he doesn’t play and might even be a better team without him? It can update just be a fit with Siakam and Barnes thing but it’s the same here with RJ and Randle.

Precious has really stepped up for them in his absence and it brings more balance to their lineups. I just think OG becomes kinda redundant with Barnes and Siakam.

No snide BS bit it makes you question whether his fit here is a good fit...

I question his fit too. I see OG as the icing on the cake for roster that's knocking on the door. Three first round picks seems a bit pricey for me. Would he help the roster? Sure, but how much? 5th or 6th seed? I don't know?

To me a guy like OG is a floor raiser rather than a ceiling raiser, and depending on the the outgoing assets, is a worthwhile addition, especially for how the Knicks are built.

Big wing, elite level defender who can guard all 5 positions.

What do you do with RJ? I thought moving him to the 2nd unit was an option until he stated playing more with the 2nd unit. He really does benefit from teams focusing on stopping Randle and Brunson. In the 2nd unit it really exposes RJ he is not ready to be the 1st option. Randle OG and RJ are just a bad fit together. Everyone is going to be standing around ball watching. Brunson IQ or Brunson Grimes if Grimes can make a jump in his 3rd year are better fits. I just don’t see OG making us better unless the goal is to kelp teams under 100 points

We want RJ to learn and grow right? Well, he has got to be not good at something first. I think the second unit is PERFECT for RJ. He gets to go up against defenders who many not be as good. The lane opens up with Randle and Brunson not in his same lineup as much. You surround RJ with defenders and 3 shooters and lane becomes really wide for him, he'll get downhill even more.

RJ is not an efficient offensive player but he is a volume player. As a sixth man, you don't worry about the combo of the 2 and hope he can get more efficient.

For me you can do alternate lineups of C, OG, RJ, IQ/Grimes, PG. Randle, OG, RJ, Grimes, Brunson/IQ. Hart, OG, RJ, IQ, McBride.

For me, OG and RJ compliment each other and make the overall rotation possibilities really good and with a very nice balance of offense and defense.

Im thinking you bring in a quality starter or Grimes shoots his way into better % (see todays press). Lets be generic here and I'll try not to be RJ fanbo for a minute. THe kid been starting for last 3.5 years and has been shooting better. Take away a few crazy drives were he does not get fouled. Granted, some of them are offensive putbacks. If his coach wanted him to change, he'd stop that nonesense.
Paying a kid 100mil to come off the bench might be ok on GSW making a chp run, but not this team.
Half a season in he and team getting used to Brunson.
Half a season in he started slow, and has some really good efficient games. Inconsistent.
I figure if OG comes here one of Grimes or IQ is traded. He is not coming just on Picks.
My assumption really is if this happens its a draft night thing. The picks that can convey might be relevant to this deal. Just guessing.
If RJ comes off the bench and its just for the remainder of this season thats not awful either. Might make some noise come playoff time.

In any event we need to find easier shots for our guys.

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Raptors played dam good tonight wo og

Isn’t it a little concerning to anyone that they don’t seem to miss him at all when he doesn’t play and might even be a better team without him? It can update just be a fit with Siakam and Barnes thing but it’s the same here with RJ and Randle.

Precious has really stepped up for them in his absence and it brings more balance to their lineups. I just think OG becomes kinda redundant with Barnes and Siakam.

No snide BS bit it makes you question whether his fit here is a good fit...

I question his fit too. I see OG as the icing on the cake for roster that's knocking on the door. Three first round picks seems a bit pricey for me. Would he help the roster? Sure, but how much? 5th or 6th seed? I don't know?

To me a guy like OG is a floor raiser rather than a ceiling raiser, and depending on the the outgoing assets, is a worthwhile addition, especially for how the Knicks are built.

Big wing, elite level defender who can guard all 5 positions.

What do you do with RJ? I thought moving him to the 2nd unit was an option until he stated playing more with the 2nd unit. He really does benefit from teams focusing on stopping Randle and Brunson. In the 2nd unit it really exposes RJ he is not ready to be the 1st option. Randle OG and RJ are just a bad fit together. Everyone is going to be standing around ball watching. Brunson IQ or Brunson Grimes if Grimes can make a jump in his 3rd year are better fits. I just don’t see OG making us better unless the goal is to kelp teams under 100 points

We want RJ to learn and grow right? Well, he has got to be not good at something first. I think the second unit is PERFECT for RJ. He gets to go up against defenders who many not be as good. The lane opens up with Randle and Brunson not in his same lineup as much. You surround RJ with defenders and 3 shooters and lane becomes really wide for him, he'll get downhill even more.

RJ is not an efficient offensive player but he is a volume player. As a sixth man, you don't worry about the combo of the 2 and hope he can get more efficient.

For me you can do alternate lineups of C, OG, RJ, IQ/Grimes, PG. Randle, OG, RJ, Grimes, Brunson/IQ. Hart, OG, RJ, IQ, McBride.

For me, OG and RJ compliment each other and make the overall rotation possibilities really good and with a very nice balance of offense and defense.

Im thinking you bring in a quality starter or Grimes shoots his way into better % (see todays press). Lets be generic here and I'll try not to be RJ fanbo for a minute. THe kid been starting for last 3.5 years and has been shooting better. Take away a few crazy drives were he does not get fouled. Granted, some of them are offensive putbacks. If his coach wanted him to change, he'd stop that nonesense.
Paying a kid 100mil to come off the bench might be ok on GSW making a chp run, but not this team.
Half a season in he and team getting used to Brunson.
Half a season in he started slow, and has some really good efficient games. Inconsistent.
I figure if OG comes here one of Grimes or IQ is traded. He is not coming just on Picks.
My assumption really is if this happens its a draft night thing. The picks that can convey might be relevant to this deal. Just guessing.
If RJ comes off the bench and its just for the remainder of this season thats not awful either. Might make some noise come playoff time.

In any event we need to find easier shots for our guys.

Is that your take on how coaching and development works? Cause I’m wondering why coaches just don’t tell their players to stop making mistakes?