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Clean
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10/2/2022  6:45 PM
Clean wrote:
Here is some proof of the improved Randle shooting that was talked about in those texts.

Good location for Randle if he can hit that shot at the top left of the key

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10/2/2022  7:39 PM

I like that he has been talking about trying new things these last 2 days.
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10/2/2022  8:12 PM
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I like that he has been talking about trying new things these last 2 days.

I think I mentioned this eaelier how I thought they might try to incorporate a version of Villanova’s 4 out offense. I didn’t think they would try Villanova’s 5 out offense but who know. They have a way better idea of Mitch’s ability than we do as fans.

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10/2/2022  10:27 PM
Clean wrote:

Looks quicker and it looks like he’s thinking less.

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10/2/2022  11:37 PM
The Atlantic Division is TOUGH ....
In the preseason games ..
Boston Celtics beat the Hornets 134-93 (41 pt lead) ..
And the Toronto Raptors beat the Jazz 114-82 (22 pt lead)
Yes! Our Knicks are in a .500 winning Division when u also add ..
The Brooklyn Nets having a healthy Ben Simmons and Harris in their rotation
Plus the Philly 76ers offseason scheme to add (multi-position player) P.J. Tucker to their rotation.

The Knicks will play against LOTTERY teams in the preseason games, where our young players transition-performance should average a 20 pt WIN in each of the 4 games
Detroit Pistons
Indiana Pacers
Indiana Pacers
Washington Wizards

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10/3/2022  12:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/3/2022  12:58 AM
Kemet wrote:The Atlantic Division is TOUGH ....
In the preseason games ..
Boston Celtics beat the Hornets 134-93 (41 pt lead) ..
And the Toronto Raptors beat the Jazz 114-82 (22 pt lead)
Yes! Our Knicks are in a .500 winning Division when u also add ..
The Brooklyn Nets having a healthy Ben Simmons and Harris in their rotation
Plus the Philly 76ers offseason scheme to add (multi-position player) P.J. Tucker to their rotation.

The Knicks will play against LOTTERY teams in the preseason games, where our young players transition-performance should average a 20 pt WIN in each of the 4 games
Detroit Pistons
Indiana Pacers
Indiana Pacers
Washington Wizards

You’re putting too much weight on the preseason in general. Also to give context the Hornets were a lottery team last year and lost their second best player in Bridges due to him being a objectively horrible human being. Also, the Jazz didn’t just lose three of their best players, they just were basically created and have no chemistry with each other. Meanwhile both those teams were playoff teams who have great chemistry.

You are right about the Atlantic being tough, but we’re not trying to win the Atlantic, we’re trying to get a minimum sixth seed and settle for seventh.

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10/3/2022  8:22 AM
Kemet wrote:The Atlantic Division is TOUGH ....
In the preseason games ..
Boston Celtics beat the Hornets 134-93 (41 pt lead) ..
And the Toronto Raptors beat the Jazz 114-82 (22 pt lead)
Yes! Our Knicks are in a .500 winning Division when u also add ..
The Brooklyn Nets having a healthy Ben Simmons and Harris in their rotation
Plus the Philly 76ers offseason scheme to add (multi-position player) P.J. Tucker to their rotation.

The Knicks will play against LOTTERY teams in the preseason games, where our young players transition-performance should average a 20 pt WIN in each of the 4 games
Detroit Pistons
Indiana Pacers
Indiana Pacers
Washington Wizards

Its tough to be assign subjective levels to achieve based on What Celtics and Rptors accomplished vs teams that both have new coaches and perhaps experimenting.
Stands to reason Thibs will do what he does which is try to win every game and build habits. Last season we went 4-0 in preseason. That after we achieved the 4th seed one could have had quite the optimistic view at that moment.

In Charlotte Steve Clifford will have them play a tougher defense and Utah a new system with many new faces. Vs two teams with established cores its no surprise they decimated the opponent. Celtics new coach just has to follow the playbook in place for now.

Indy still has Turner and Heild and WIzards have a healthy Beal, deep roster like ours, and if healthy likely see the best season from KP who finished last year strong. He had a healthy summer and is on a contract year. From what I saw preseason he was not just camped out on the perimeter as much. Im not a fanboy, just being real.

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10/3/2022  11:40 AM

Interesting way to view RJ's inefficient numbers. I am not saying I agree or disagree. I am posting this because its a new view on things that I never took into consideration before.

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10/3/2022  12:23 PM
RJ should petition to get some of those missed layups changed to assists
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10/3/2022  1:29 PM
martin wrote:RJ should petition to get some of those missed layups changed to assists

If so he would average a double double most games...

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10/3/2022  1:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/3/2022  11:05 PM
Nalod wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
Nalod wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
Clean wrote:

He accidentally put the #1 priority in the #7 slot. If that’s his priority list in order of importance we are look at the #5-8 pick this year.

We don’t know if its a priority list or the weightings to each of them.
I do like the photo with Randle looking at Thibs…….”what, this list all about me and and only me?”
Thibs: “Look at it Jules, look at it”!
Randle:”no coach, not going to look at it!”

It could just be chronological order.

1. Pace: “Frank is not here and Brunson/EF/IQ/Rose/RJ bring it up unless rebounded”
If coach wants it faster, Randle will be coached as such.
2. Space: we have a back court that can shoot. Bench can shoot. WE need Randle to up it a bit. RJ keep improving. Need proof of him, look at his splits in StatMuse by month. Great way to look at stats. And yes, Randle gets assists!
3. Play off the pass. 4. move without the ball. That EF makes plays and catches and shoots makes him valuable. Grimes will improve over time but to appreciate EF is to appreciate his skill. He and Randle got better over time last season. Early Randle was frustrated with EF not making the cuts right and he had to hold the ball longer. JJ Reddick career was based on his ability Post college to get open and he had a great long wealth infused career from it. EF to a lessor extent but very good. HartStein brings a passing 5 to the table. This should be fun!
5. Attack the rim. 6. Offensive execution.
7. Value Shot……..Curious to learn more about this. I suppose each coach and system has a different meaning?
8. teams that succeed on the O-boards do well. Still get have to get back on defense!

Believe 8 was "Defensive" rebounds. Which makes sense since it's the first step in playing offense.

Value shots are the ones that are the highest percentage. Played for many coaches that emphasized being aggressive to the rim, drawing fouls and not settling for fall away, contested shots. Three point is probably emphasizing to not take shots a foot inside the three point line.
I like the attack the rim/rim reads. Have always thought the top offenses drive and kick at a consistent basis. Best way to either get easy baskets or open looks/finishes for others.
Agree about the emphasis on moving off the pass. Especially now that we have H2O2. Have to be able to rotate the ball and set some picks for EF and Grimes to get some open looks.

Hoping they also emphasize ball rotation as a priority. Good systems emphasize ball rotation to weak side and do not force the offense on the strong side. Feel we do not rotate the ball enough. Would also like to see PnR as a big emphasis. Something the good teams do well.

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10/3/2022  4:06 PM
martin wrote:RJ should petition to get some of those missed layups changed to assists

It got him paid. He is coached to do this too.
A bit over most fans heads. Glad it got posted. Here we thinking all along RJ be sucking at it.
He does get blocked but his coaches know better than us.

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10/3/2022  6:41 PM
Clean wrote:

Interesting way to view RJ's inefficient numbers. I am not saying I agree or disagree. I am posting this because its a new view on things that I never took into consideration before.

That video is proof of:
1) How badly Mitch desperately needs a 10 footer.
2) RJ could have been a little more patient.
3) Why was Burks being a dumbass?

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10/3/2022  9:25 PM
Clean wrote:

Interesting way to view RJ's inefficient numbers. I am not saying I agree or disagree. I am posting this because its a new view on things that I never took into consideration before.

What's the gist here? I can't open Twitter in China.

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10/3/2022  9:45 PM
gradyandrew wrote:
Clean wrote:

Interesting way to view RJ's inefficient numbers. I am not saying I agree or disagree. I am posting this because its a new view on things that I never took into consideration before.

What's the gist here? I can't open Twitter in China.

RJ's excuse for not throwing love passes to Mitch is that he knows Mitch will get the offensive rebound anyway.

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10/4/2022  2:09 AM
Allanfan20 wrote:
Clean wrote:

Interesting way to view RJ's inefficient numbers. I am not saying I agree or disagree. I am posting this because its a new view on things that I never took into consideration before.

That video is proof of:
1) How badly Mitch desperately needs a 10 footer.
2) RJ could have been a little more patient.
3) Why was Burks being a dumbass?


Burks put up a nice screen/pick for Barrett to go around ..
Fournier was wide open on the 3-ball line ..
And MitchRob had to average 4 offensive rebounds, to average 4 shot attempts per game the past two seasons.
The Knicks will be sorry for not trading Barrett to the Toronto Raptors for one of their many 6.7 or 6.8 forwards in the offseason .. And not drafting the 6.8 12th pick Jalen Williams.

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10/4/2022  8:31 AM
The “Kobe Assist” is an interesting explanation. Not sure Mitchell Robinson’s numbers support that theory with regard to the bulk of those shots. I would expect stats like that to show up in the Plus-Minus if they are positively impacting the game though. Right now, Robinson’s and Barrett’s plus minus are both pretty bad. Some of that usage going to Brunson should be a positive as he is more likely to understand Robinson with a pass.

All said, I think last year’s spacing is not as good as this year’s should be. That should help everyone. Randle looks slim and ready to move off the ball. If he ups his screen assists and assists, with better shot selection, he is All NBA and hitting his unlikely incentives.

The thing single player development I want for this team this year is for Randle to take Dray’s spot on the all NBA accolades.

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