Nalod wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Philc1 wrote:There’s only 2 paths:

A) Randle plays better next season, Knicks overall are better and get the 8th or 9th seed

B) Randle continues to be a ball stopper on offense, Knicks win less games next year, he gets Thibs fired after demanding a trade and eventually just getting a buyout

So your thought is that the Knicks are potentially going to opt to have $28m per year dead cap hit on a guy 20/10/5 guy who is under 30.

They’ve done it before why not again

So every situation is the same then?

Noah was 32 with career already on significant down-trend and who only played ~22 minutes per game at 7 pts /6 rebounds / 2 assists. He had one year left ~$19M (and people complain about EF's contract!!) which was stretched over 3 years at $6+M per year dead cap hit.

Randle is still in his prime at 35+ minutes (20/10/5) and if stretched after the upcoming season would be at $107M - which would mean dead cap space of $15+M per season over 7 years.

Perhaps some Knicks fans need to learn to separate prudent basketball business decisions from their own butthurt views based on a sometimes overly emotional and frustrated player giving them the finger.

Got a bad feeling the Randle contract next year starts to make the Noah contract look like a cake walk

If we let Mitch walk, don’t fix pg and are stuck with Randle trying to be a point forward in half court for 82 games next season could get very ugly early

Noah physically broke down and did not improve nor did he work on his craft much. Randle has a work ethic and track record that showed a very high end year to year improvement. Last year might have been more between the ears. Something that is hard for you to relate to as you redundantly demonstrate.
Randle at 27 with the exception of his rookie has shown durability.
He can dial back his 20-10 and still be a great contract if he can change his **** face attitude.
Thibs is very much part of how he is used. Much of this falls on him also.
As for Mitch you make it out like the center of 37 win team is the key to our success and like no player every walks away from a team uncompensated.
Last year about every reasonable FA was sign and trade. we don’t get full value in return, but thats par for the course.

You fell victim to it as well - LOL. It really is difficult not to respond to silly empty one liners.

You guys are right. Randle was amazing last year. That’s why we finished 8 games below .500 and missed the playoffs - and he’s only made the playoffs 1 out of 8 years in the nba. Is that an empty one liner?

Its like debating with a child. Try to stay on point. No one said that Randle was amazing. We are shaking out heads at your one liner posts that Randle has the worst contract in the NBA, worse than Noah, and he should be cut and stretched.

Yes, your previous post is essentially an empty one liner again. No wonder they kicked your butt off the Jets board. SMH.

Name me a worse contract in the nba currently than Randle

If it’s all empty one liners you should have no problem doing it. They kicked me off the jets board because they are a bunch of snowflake cancel culture clowns who can’t accept being wrong about Zach Wilson

Here are a few......

Tobias Harris will make $37.6 million next season and $39.2 million in 2023-24.

Gordon Hayward (31 years old and injury prone) - $30.1 million next year and $31.5 million in 2023-24. Hayward only played in 44 games last season and has dealt with a foot injury this year.

Derrick White - four-year, $73 million contract - 14.2 /3.5 / 5.7 - less than 30% from 3 on a losing team - this would be like paying Elf to play 30 minutes a night at $17M+ per year

Porzingis - enough said in the middle of a five-year, $158 million contract

Jonathan Isaac (who?? will he ever get on the floor) - due $17.4 million in each of the next three seasons.

Kevin Love - will make 28.9 million next year at the end of a terrible 4 year contract

Davis Bertans - will make $16 million next season and $17 million during the 2023-24 campaign. The final year of the deal (2024-25) is fully guaranteed for $5 million. Currently playing 15 mpg and averaging 32% from 3.

Westbrook - 33 years old @ $47 million next season

John Wall $47.4 M next year at 31 years old

Markelle Fultz - guaranteed $17.5M through 2024-25

This should be made a sticky because others including myself have done this for him but he densely does not absorb things and repeats daft limited content.
He has numerously said he was booted from Jetsnation because "The snowflakes were wrong about Zach Wilson and he was correct". It think its just his way conversing from the experience.
Why is it bothersome? To promote inaccurate statements derails good conversation from elevating. or, ****heads are annoying?

4 years $117 million guaranteed and the contract hasn’t even technically begun it’s life yet. Sorry if facts don’t care about your feelings Nalod.

You Randle apologists may be singing a very different tune next February. I hope not. I’m a Knicks fan and I don’t want another lost season especially since we do have some young talent and a good coach

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:4 years $117 million guaranteed and the contract hasn’t even technically begun it’s life yet. Sorry if facts don’t care about your feelings Nalod.

You Randle apologists may be singing a very different tune next February. I hope not. I’m a Knicks fan and I don’t want another lost season especially since we do have some young talent and a good coach

Philc1, quite frankly you are bordering on some dug in ignorance for no better reason that trying to sound right in the face of just having an opinion and differing from others.

You also need to get your facts straight, especially if you insist you are using FACTS which you are clearly not.

Randle has a guarantee of $107m over 4 years. His incentives - based on being an all star and team making the playoffs - would bump up that guaranteed number to $117m. Those are the facts.

Your insistence that Randle's contract is the absolute worst in the face of other players whose contract may not have the same # of years or match up with whatever parameters you feel are adequate is just wild to me. There is some grey area here and you should know that. There is zero conversation with you if you can't get over that hump man.

Do better.

The other factors that have been presented to Phil in various threads are that Randle
will rank in the 40's in terms of overall annual salary and the cap increases annually and will likely spike with a new TV deal integrated for 2025. For as much as a pain in the ass Randle might be, he is extremely durable and available. That also has value.

Randle's potential trade value is really an interesting conversation for those that wish to have an open mind.

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:4 years $117 million guaranteed and the contract hasn’t even technically begun it’s life yet. Sorry if facts don’t care about your feelings Nalod.

You Randle apologists may be singing a very different tune next February. I hope not. I’m a Knicks fan and I don’t want another lost season especially since we do have some young talent and a good coach

Philc1, quite frankly you are bordering on some dug in ignorance for no better reason that trying to sound right in the face of just having an opinion and differing from others.

You also need to get your facts straight, especially if you insist you are using FACTS which you are clearly not.

Randle has a guarantee of $107m over 4 years. His incentives - based on being an all star and team making the playoffs - would bump up that guaranteed number to $117m. Those are the facts.

Your insistence that Randle's contract is the absolute worst in the face of other players whose contract may not have the same # of years or match up with whatever parameters you feel are adequate is just wild to me. There is some grey area here and you should know that. There is zero conversation with you if you can't get over that hump man.

Do better.

So $10 mil in incentives over a 4 year deal that hasn’t even started yet. Wow, it really is a great contract!

Philc1 wrote:
4 years $117 million guaranteed and the contract hasn’t even technically begun it’s life yet. Sorry if facts don’t care about your feelings Nalod.

You Randle apologists may be singing a very different tune next February. I hope not. I’m a Knicks fan and I don’t want another lost season especially since we do have some young talent and a good coach

Nothing like a challenge!

How about Michael Porter Jr? He arguably had a worse season than Randle. He signed a 5 year 145,000,000 guaranteed deal. I'm not sure about how you feel on incentives.
I think if a player gets them, it's good for everyone- better than being injured right? MPJ has 30 million in incentives on top of 145.

MPJ has played 125 games since he entered the league 4 years ago while Randle has played 280.

In 2025-26 it's 8 million more. It's 40 the year after when Randle's is off the books. Would you trade Randle for MPJ?

HofstraBBall wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

Philc1 wrote:
4 years $117 million guaranteed and the contract hasn’t even technically begun it’s life yet. Sorry if facts don’t care about your feelings Nalod.

You Randle apologists may be singing a very different tune next February. I hope not. I’m a Knicks fan and I don’t want another lost season especially since we do have some young talent and a good coach

Nothing like a challenge!

How about Michael Porter Jr? He arguably had a worse season than Randle. He signed a 5 year 145,000,000 guaranteed deal. I'm not sure about how you feel on incentives.
I think if a player gets them, it's good for everyone- better than being injured right? MPJ has 30 million in incentives on top of 145.

MPJ has played 125 games since he entered the league 4 years ago while Randle has played 280.

In 2025-26 it's 8 million more. It's 40 the year after when Randle's is off the books. Would you trade Randle for MPJ?

Respect your patience. PhilC does not seem to be open to true factual dialogue.
Not he understands other obvious variables to Randle's salary.
1) Randle is our best player. How many of the teams out there are paying A LOT more for their best player and not exactly bringing home chips. PG is the second best player in the Clips and he
makes $40m for the next three years.Ben Simmons making over $30m and has played how much? Probably third best player on the Nets. As you mentioned Harris makes $38m and third best maybe.
Towns, DLo. One is best and NO considerable success in many years. The other not best.
Lakers, three guys close or over $40m per. Missed playoffs. KP, Beal, who will probably get $45m contract and will once again do nothing to get them in the playoffs. Jru Holiday $32m not best. Lowry, Adedayo over $30m not best.

2) Salary based on production. Say 20/10. List is longer.

Of course, one would have to admit Randle is our best player and 20/10 is significant.
PhilC will never be there so he has to warp facts to meet his hate for Randle. Seems the thing to do in many subjects nowadays.

Its hard for some to think forward. some arguements are based on what happend, and thinking it will always be. “Thibs never plays yoots”. “Randle is our best player”..
My hope is soon enough “randle is our 2nd best player. We’ll contend when Randle is 4th or there about.
Mook Morris showed great when he was here and has not come close. He was given the ball and many shots. Randle can be more doing less. But we have to improve the roster (obvious). To trade randle and not make a big improvement does little other than find new dudes to blame.