BigDaddyG wrote:Three percent. The FBI trainer in the video laid it down. There's a three percent chance that you'll immobilize an active shooter if you're armed. Do you feel comfortable walking around in an armed country where the majority of people packing don't have nearly enough training to properly handle a firearm? That's an even scarier prospect than some incel walking around with an assault weapon. The problem is more complex, I agree. So let's start from the ground up. We can start by putting stronger barriers in place that prevent a mentally unstable individual $1000 in their pocket from getting assault rifles. Better yet, let's ban them altogether. Let's raise the age requirement for gun ownership. Let's require more extensive background checks for all point of gun sales. You're worried about criminals getting guns? How many of those started of clean, but made their way into those criminals hands? What's going to happen to some of those firearms that are already out there? Some will get sold. Some will get stolen. Eventually some of them will wind up in the hands of criminals. I don't even advocate for the banishment of all firearms, but it's easy to forecast where this is going.

Regarding the parents of the dead children in Uvalde, if we go past the horrible tragic loss for a second and talk about the math behind it all. Would they rather have a 3 percent chance for the sake of their children? Or what they got in a zero percent chance?

I can't answer that for them. You can't answer that for them.

3 percent is not enough for you and probably some others here. OK. That's fine. It's a free country. 3 percent is plenty for me and even possibly some others here. And that's fine too.

The people training in the videos above don't look like psychotic incels toting AR15s. I've already stated that I don't believe a 18 year old should be able to buy an AR15 off the shelf. But I've also said there has to be a practical balance to protect the Constitutional rights of law abiding citizens and keeping guns in their hands, and doing more to take guns out of the hands of criminals, drug dealers, gang members and the mentally ill.

Here's what I'm going to say about gun laws and gun reform and gun control.

Some of you want more stringent gun laws. Some of you might want all guns to be eliminated period. Your right to free speech. Have any opinion you want.

But to get those gun laws made and passed and become the "new normal", then the Democratic Party needs to start winning a **** load of elections.

You need a majority in Congress to get the laws written and passed. Either with or without the filibuster.

You need a majority of gun control oriented Supreme Court Justices to uphold those laws, meaning you need to win general elections to have a Democrat sitting as the President.

Does anyone here want to disagree with that? If you want the gun laws that some of you want, as real day to day life reality, then you need to keep winning elections. Lots of them.

You only win elections when everyday working class Americans vote for you and they will want to do that if they believe you are making their lives better. If you are making the lives of their children better.

How's that working out so far? If gasoline is 6 dollars a gallon, no one is going to vote for any Democrats. If the price of food doubles in a year, no one is going to vote for Democrats. This is what happens when you have the sitting President and a majority in Congress. If some of you are unhappy with the current Supreme Court, then Hillary Clinton should have won in 2016 and put up three Justices of her own that leaned heavy gun control. People might see abortion and mass shootings as very tragic, but the price of food and the price of gasoline is right in their damn faces every single day. It doesn't make then insensitive to mass shootings, it just means they have to worry about feeding their own kids TODAY. And putting a roof over the heads of their own kids TODAY.

You want your version of new gun laws passed and upheld? Have your Party win more elections. That's not going to happen until the economy stops being totally ****ed and not until many people feel their streets are safe. When you are the Party in power, this is your problem and that's just how it works.

Cue the moment right now when someone says it's all Trump's fault and the only answer is to say Fuck All Republicans.

I realize the more I post, the more what I'm saying is just going to start pissing some people off. Because I'm doing something wrong? No, I'm sharing my opinion and I'm pointing out things and showing videos and sharing articles to support my position. What's that position? That this is all way more complex than some people here want to make it out to be.

You are telling me the world you want. I'm telling you the world we have. The world you want sounds very nice indeed. But it's not the world we have. And you won't get the world you want until the Democrats fix their **** and get their **** together because let's just face it, the past year and a half have been ****ing brutal to this country. If Biden starts shouting about people using the right pronouns when people are afraid they are 2 weeks away from being homeless, no one is going to vote for him or any other Democrat. Someone tell me that I'm wrong here.

Nearly 50 million gun purchases in the last two and a half years disagrees with your 3 percent number. They don't give a **** about 3 percent. It's better than zero percent. Ask the grieving parents in Uvalde about the difference between 3 percent and zero percent.

BigDaddyG wrote:
Three percent. The FBI trainer in the video laid it down. There's a three percent chance that you'll immobilize an active shooter if you're armed. Do you feel comfortable walking around in an armed country where the majority of people packing don't have nearly enough training to properly handle a firearm? That's an even scarier prospect than some incel walking around with an assault weapon. The problem is more complex, I agree. So let's start from the ground up. We can start by putting stronger barriers in place that prevent a mentally unstable individual $1000 in their pocket from getting assault rifles. Better yet, let's ban them altogether. Let's raise the age requirement for gun ownership. Let's require more extensive background checks for all point of gun sales. You're worried about criminals getting guns? How many of those started of clean, but made their way into those criminals hands? What's going to happen to some of those firearms that are already out there? Some will get sold. Some will get stolen. Eventually some of them will wind up in the hands of criminals. I don't even advocate for the banishment of all firearms, but it's easy to forecast where this is going.

I would like to see the origin of this 3% figure. I wonder how does one measure something like this.

If you ban guns, the only ones that will have them will be criminals. The chance of immobilizing an active or passive criminal shooter by a law abiding citizen will go down to zero percent. And the criminal will know that he is safe. And there is nothing that corrupts a person more than the sense of impunity.

An incel with $1,000 to buy an assault rifle is not nearly as dangerous when he knows he is in a company of people all of whom have assault rifles too.

Got to vote. It's all coming to a head.

Next 2.5 years will be a dogfight for the direction of the country.

What can you lose voters better wake the **** up

TripleThreat wrote:Here's what I'm going to say about gun laws and gun reform and gun control.

Some of you want more stringent gun laws. Some of you might want all guns to be eliminated period. Your right to free speech. Have any opinion you want.

But to get those gun laws made and passed and become the "new normal", then the Democratic Party needs to start winning a **** load of elections.

You need a majority in Congress to get the laws written and passed. Either with or without the filibuster.

You need a majority of gun control oriented Supreme Court Justices to uphold those laws, meaning you need to win general elections to have a Democrat sitting as the President.

Does anyone here want to disagree with that? If you want the gun laws that some of you want, as real day to day life reality, then you need to keep winning elections. Lots of them.

You only win elections when everyday working class Americans vote for you and they will want to do that if they believe you are making their lives better. If you are making the lives of their children better.

How's that working out so far? If gasoline is 6 dollars a gallon, no one is going to vote for any Democrats. If the price of food doubles in a year, no one is going to vote for Democrats. This is what happens when you have the sitting President and a majority in Congress. If some of you are unhappy with the current Supreme Court, then Hillary Clinton should have won in 2016 and put up three Justices of her own that leaned heavy gun control. People might see abortion and mass shootings as very tragic, but the price of food and the price of gasoline is right in their damn faces every single day. It doesn't make then insensitive to mass shootings, it just means they have to worry about feeding their own kids TODAY. And putting a roof over the heads of their own kids TODAY.

You want your version of new gun laws passed and upheld? Have your Party win more elections. That's not going to happen until the economy stops being totally ****ed and not until many people feel their streets are safe. When you are the Party in power, this is your problem and that's just how it works.

Cue the moment right now when someone says it's all Trump's fault and the only answer is to say Fuck All Republicans.

I realize the more I post, the more what I'm saying is just going to start pissing some people off. Because I'm doing something wrong? No, I'm sharing my opinion and I'm pointing out things and showing videos and sharing articles to support my position. What's that position? That this is all way more complex than some people here want to make it out to be.

You are telling me the world you want. I'm telling you the world we have. The world you want sounds very nice indeed. But it's not the world we have. And you won't get the world you want until the Democrats fix their **** and get their **** together because let's just face it, the past year and a half have been ****ing brutal to this country. If Biden starts shouting about people using the right pronouns when people are afraid they are 2 weeks away from being homeless, no one is going to vote for him or any other Democrat. Someone tell me that I'm wrong here.

Nearly 50 million gun purchases in the last two and a half years disagrees with your 3 percent number. They don't give a **** about 3 percent. It's better than zero percent. Ask the grieving parents in Uvalde about the difference between 3 percent and zero percent.

These are wild takes

jrodmc wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:
Cue the moment right now when someone says it's all Trump's fault and the only answer is to say Fuck All Republicans.

I didn't vote for the cheetoh, and never would, but the fact that Democratic azzholes can turn something like this into "weapons of war" and it's all Trump's fault makes me want to vomit.

Stricter gun laws. Except for those pushing and screaming for stricter gun laws. Funny how that works.

Meanwhile our senile dip**** POTUS is talking about cannons and the 2nd amendment.

jrodmc wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:
Cue the moment right now when someone says it's all Trump's fault and the only answer is to say Fuck All Republicans.

I didn't vote for the cheetoh, and never would, but the fact that Democratic azzholes can turn something like this into "weapons of war" and it's all Trump's fault makes me want to vomit.

Stricter gun laws. Except for those pushing and screaming for stricter gun laws. Funny how that works.

Meanwhile our senile dip**** POTUS is talking about cannons and the 2nd amendment.

The reality is that Rambo is a fictional character and you'd be more likely to injure yourself or an innocent bystander than any criminal. I've had guns drawn on me on more occasions that I'd like to admit. Once someone gets that initial jump on you, it's a wrap. Don't deflect to Trump or W. Bush hate, or Obama hate or Biden hate. All have flubbed this issue, though Obama at least made an earnest effort. Hell, you can even say the initial ban Clinton signed wasn't strong enough. That neither here nor there. Politicians currently in office need to stop fellating the NRA and be held accountable to health and safety of the citizens they supposedly serve.

martin wrote:Throw up a strawman that is wildly inaccurate and then want to vomit?

These are wild takes

jrodmc wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:
Cue the moment right now when someone says it's all Trump's fault and the only answer is to say Fuck All Republicans.

I didn't vote for the cheetoh, and never would, but the fact that Democratic azzholes can turn something like this into "weapons of war" and it's all Trump's fault makes me want to vomit.

Stricter gun laws. Except for those pushing and screaming for stricter gun laws. Funny how that works.

Meanwhile our senile dip**** POTUS is talking about cannons and the 2nd amendment.

Is my last, pre-vomit take a strawman too? You apparently are seeing all these stories about Democratic leadership security teams turning in their soon-to-be-banned weapons?

Cue Nalod with the 'my idiot is smarter/just as stupid than that last idiot' post.

HofstraBBall wrote:
Chicago is a cluster ****. The poverty level, government and police force need to be addressed and changed. The mayor clearly needs to go.

However, let's not forget how these scumbags are killing people. It's not with knives. Let's not forget the city is surrounded by states where guns are easier to get than a bottle of Vodka. If you are going to focus on "reality", then let's not pretend that Chicago's ease of obtaining guns is helped it's by state lines. And why are you ignoring the per Capita figures? Because they have more accurate optics? Perhaps you should have read them before going on the Chicago rant.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-deaths-per-capita-by-state

Your argument is understandable and common. Many of the "Fox News" sheep seem to have Chicago implanted in their brains. They forget that Chicago is part of the US and is affected by the lack of gun laws in this country. They would have you believe Chicago is its own island full of Democratic boogie men. Fox news loves using this hypnotic propaganda on their website and TV broadcasts to enrage the mostly white conservative base that only bi-racial experience is through the news. Always found it funny how people fall for Fox's one sided continuos propaganda.You fell for it.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/2021-ends-as-chicagos-deadliest-year-in-a-quarter-century/2719307/

2021 Ends as Chicago's Deadliest Year in a Quarter Century
Chicago, as it has in previous years, ended 2021 with more homicides than any other city in the United States
AP January 1, 2022 at 9:34 pm

The year of 2021 ended as one of the most violent on record in Chicago, as a rise in the number of shootings left more people dead than in any single year in a quarter century, according to statistics released by the police department on Saturday.
According to the department, 2021 ended with 797 homicides. That is 25 more than were recorded 2020, 299 more than in 2019 and the most since 1996. And there were 3,561 shooting incidents in 2021, which is just over 300 more than were recorded in 2020 and a staggering 1,415 more shooting incidents than were recorded in the city in 2019.

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/chicago-has-had-most-mass-shootings-in-u-s-since-2018/

Chicago has had most mass shootings in U.S. since 2018 -- what's the solution?
chicago
By Suzanne Le Mignot
May 27, 2022

Chicago has the dubious distinction of having the most mass shootings in the U.S. since 2018. But as CBS 2's Suzanne Le Mignot reported Thursday, the problem is often overlooked – and difficult to solve.

From September 2018 to May 24 of this year, data show Chicago has led the nation's cities - with 811 people killed and injured in mass shootings.

When looking at per capita data from September of 2018 to May 24 of this year, Chicago ranks fourth with those killed and injured in mass shootings - behind St. Louis, New Orleans, and Baltimore.

Murder Rate Per 100,000 people for 2021

St. Louis, Missouri @ 64.54

Baltimore @ 58.27

Birmingham, AL @ 50.62

Detroit, Michigan @ 41.45

Dayton, Ohio @ 34.18

Baton Rouge, Louisiana @ 31.72

New Orleans, Louisiana @ 30.67

Kansas City, Missouri @ 29.88

Memphis, Tennessee @ 29.21

Cleveland, Ohio @ 24.09

Richmond, Virginia @ 23.84

Miami Gardens, Florida @ 23.64

Washington, D.C. @ 23.52

North Charleston, South Carolina @ 22.55

Peoria, Illinois 22.53

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 22.47

Columbia, South Carolina 21.68

San Bernardino, California 21.23

Cincinnati, Ohio 21.1

Columbus, Georgia 20.94

Tuscaloosa, Alabama 20.77

Atlanta, Georgia 19.53

Indianapolis, Indiana 19.51

Little Rock, Arkansas 19.15

Shreveport, Louisiana 18.66

Montgomery, Alabama 18.54

Buffalo, New York 18.38

Chicago, Illinois 18.26

Chattanooga, Tennessee 18.15

Newark, New Jersey 18.08

There are 27 cities with higher rates of listed murder than Chicago for 2021. (Many of those have some key similarities, some combination of gang problem, poverty problems, drug problems, urban decay problems, ****ting local government problems, etc, etc) Much of that was via gun violence, particularly with handguns. And more particularly with young black men shooting other young black men to death.

People keep talking about Chicago because it had more total shootings than anyplace else. And because it's mixed with a very large population and it has, on paper, extremely strict gun laws and gun regulation. But, because it is such a large city ( over 2.7 + million people), the rate per 100,000 people spreads that out. In 2021, Chicago had close to 3600 shootings. More than any other city.

If you say guns are coming from outside of Chicago, that only proves my point. You can have all the gun laws and gun regulations and gun reform in the world, but criminals and drug dealers and gang bangers are still going to find a way to get guns to kill each other. They'll adapt. If they have to all buy 3D printers and make guns themselves, they'll do that too. Gun laws do a great job of taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. If you have more criminals with guns, more civilians who are now unarmed by laws and clearly police who don't give a **** or won't show up, then how does that mix end up for those innocent law abiding decent every day working class people?

You make it sound like Fox News is secretly sending it's new anchors into these cities at night to start shooting the place up in some grand conspiracy.

You know why CNN and MSNBC aren't talking about Chicago? Because it's hard to get black people across the country to vote for you when you a have a large city full of idiots in charge ( Lightfoot) and constant corruption that's historically always had Democrats in leadership, and the end result is a historic pace of young black men with handguns slaughtering other young black men. It's hard to push that "White Nationalism Is The Blame For Everything" angle when that kind of truth comes out.

You want Fox News to stop talking about gun violence in Chicago? Then how about those gang bangers there stop killing each other with guns at such alarming rates. Something that's a "right wing talking point" is not magically removed from having a point and/or being the truth.

You want to give me some pathetic Fox News is to blame excuse. That's really sad and just plain weak. You've evolved from Fuck Trump and Fuck All Republicans to Fuck The News That Talks About Trump And Republicans. What does any of that have to do with the massacres in Chicago?

Your excuse smells bad, like a dead fish. Here, have a fish for such a lame excuse.

TripleThreat wrote: You've evolved from Fuck Trump and Fuck All Republicans to Fuck The News That Talks About Trump And Republicans. What does any of that have to do with the massacres in Chicago?

Quite frankly, you are the only one really talking in those terms in this thread. And you keep leaning into it. Just noise.

TripleThreat wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:Three percent. The FBI trainer in the video laid it down. There's a three percent chance that you'll immobilize an active shooter if you're armed. Do you feel comfortable walking around in an armed country where the majority of people packing don't have nearly enough training to properly handle a firearm? That's an even scarier prospect than some incel walking around with an assault weapon. The problem is more complex, I agree. So let's start from the ground up. We can start by putting stronger barriers in place that prevent a mentally unstable individual $1000 in their pocket from getting assault rifles. Better yet, let's ban them altogether. Let's raise the age requirement for gun ownership. Let's require more extensive background checks for all point of gun sales. You're worried about criminals getting guns? How many of those started of clean, but made their way into those criminals hands? What's going to happen to some of those firearms that are already out there? Some will get sold. Some will get stolen. Eventually some of them will wind up in the hands of criminals. I don't even advocate for the banishment of all firearms, but it's easy to forecast where this is going.

Regarding the parents of the dead children in Uvalde, if we go past the horrible tragic loss for a second and talk about the math behind it all. Would they rather have a 3 percent chance for the sake of their children? Or what they got in a zero percent chance?

I can't answer that for them. You can't answer that for them.

3 percent is not enough for you and probably some others here. OK. That's fine. It's a free country. 3 percent is plenty for me and even possibly some others here. And that's fine too.

The people training in the videos above don't look like psychotic incels toting AR15s. I've already stated that I don't believe a 18 year old should be able to buy an AR15 off the shelf. But I've also said there has to be a practical balance to protect the Constitutional rights of law abiding citizens and keeping guns in their hands, and doing more to take guns out of the hands of criminals, drug dealers, gang members and the mentally ill.

Here's what I'm going to say about gun laws and gun reform and gun control.

Some of you want more stringent gun laws. Some of you might want all guns to be eliminated period. Your right to free speech. Have any opinion you want.

But to get those gun laws made and passed and become the "new normal", then the Democratic Party needs to start winning a **** load of elections.

You need a majority in Congress to get the laws written and passed. Either with or without the filibuster.

You need a majority of gun control oriented Supreme Court Justices to uphold those laws, meaning you need to win general elections to have a Democrat sitting as the President.

Does anyone here want to disagree with that? If you want the gun laws that some of you want, as real day to day life reality, then you need to keep winning elections. Lots of them.

You only win elections when everyday working class Americans vote for you and they will want to do that if they believe you are making their lives better. If you are making the lives of their children better.

How's that working out so far? If gasoline is 6 dollars a gallon, no one is going to vote for any Democrats. If the price of food doubles in a year, no one is going to vote for Democrats. This is what happens when you have the sitting President and a majority in Congress. If some of you are unhappy with the current Supreme Court, then Hillary Clinton should have won in 2016 and put up three Justices of her own that leaned heavy gun control. People might see abortion and mass shootings as very tragic, but the price of food and the price of gasoline is right in their damn faces every single day. It doesn't make then insensitive to mass shootings, it just means they have to worry about feeding their own kids TODAY. And putting a roof over the heads of their own kids TODAY.

You want your version of new gun laws passed and upheld? Have your Party win more elections. That's not going to happen until the economy stops being totally ****ed and not until many people feel their streets are safe. When you are the Party in power, this is your problem and that's just how it works.

Cue the moment right now when someone says it's all Trump's fault and the only answer is to say Fuck All Republicans.

I realize the more I post, the more what I'm saying is just going to start pissing some people off. Because I'm doing something wrong? No, I'm sharing my opinion and I'm pointing out things and showing videos and sharing articles to support my position. What's that position? That this is all way more complex than some people here want to make it out to be.

You are telling me the world you want. I'm telling you the world we have. The world you want sounds very nice indeed. But it's not the world we have. And you won't get the world you want until the Democrats fix their **** and get their **** together because let's just face it, the past year and a half have been ****ing brutal to this country. If Biden starts shouting about people using the right pronouns when people are afraid they are 2 weeks away from being homeless, no one is going to vote for him or any other Democrat. Someone tell me that I'm wrong here.

Nearly 50 million gun purchases in the last two and a half years disagrees with your 3 percent number. They don't give a **** about 3 percent. It's better than zero percent. Ask the grieving parents in Uvalde about the difference between 3 percent and zero percent.

As pointed out by other posters - there are so many variables impacting gun violence at schools that to try to simplify it down to one is just a waste of time. Sure every bit helps but part of the reason their is so much divide and polarization is because there is no simple answer.

Not sure how one side can claim it's not realistic to remove guns from the bad people but believe it's realistic to arm teachers successfully. There are so many considerations that these type of statements show such a lack of insight which makes it difficult to debate with a person that is lacking in this area. It's the same struggle to argue with someone who believe that it all comes down to 3% being better vs 0%...

Think if there was a task force/committee that would go public and open up dialogue - we would work more collaboratively, effectively and offer some hope for the future generations... this will take time IMO.

How did we get here?
What are the contributing variables to these issues?
What is likely to happen in the future with no change/effort?
What should be done to correct/improve the situation?
If we envision these variables are addressed - how do things look now? Do new considerations emerge as the result of the shift?
Identify barriers to implementation and action
Use sample sizes and gather data
Evaluate and adjust

TripleThreat wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:
Chicago is a cluster ****. The poverty level, government and police force need to be addressed and changed. The mayor clearly needs to go.

However, let's not forget how these scumbags are killing people. It's not with knives. Let's not forget the city is surrounded by states where guns are easier to get than a bottle of Vodka. If you are going to focus on "reality", then let's not pretend that Chicago's ease of obtaining guns is helped it's by state lines. And why are you ignoring the per Capita figures? Because they have more accurate optics? Perhaps you should have read them before going on the Chicago rant.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-deaths-per-capita-by-state

Your argument is understandable and common. Many of the "Fox News" sheep seem to have Chicago implanted in their brains. They forget that Chicago is part of the US and is affected by the lack of gun laws in this country. They would have you believe Chicago is its own island full of Democratic boogie men. Fox news loves using this hypnotic propaganda on their website and TV broadcasts to enrage the mostly white conservative base that only bi-racial experience is through the news. Always found it funny how people fall for Fox's one sided continuos propaganda.You fell for it.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/2021-ends-as-chicagos-deadliest-year-in-a-quarter-century/2719307/

2021 Ends as Chicago's Deadliest Year in a Quarter Century
Chicago, as it has in previous years, ended 2021 with more homicides than any other city in the United States
AP January 1, 2022 at 9:34 pm

The year of 2021 ended as one of the most violent on record in Chicago, as a rise in the number of shootings left more people dead than in any single year in a quarter century, according to statistics released by the police department on Saturday.
According to the department, 2021 ended with 797 homicides. That is 25 more than were recorded 2020, 299 more than in 2019 and the most since 1996. And there were 3,561 shooting incidents in 2021, which is just over 300 more than were recorded in 2020 and a staggering 1,415 more shooting incidents than were recorded in the city in 2019.

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/chicago-has-had-most-mass-shootings-in-u-s-since-2018/

Chicago has had most mass shootings in U.S. since 2018 -- what's the solution?
chicago
By Suzanne Le Mignot
May 27, 2022

Chicago has the dubious distinction of having the most mass shootings in the U.S. since 2018. But as CBS 2's Suzanne Le Mignot reported Thursday, the problem is often overlooked – and difficult to solve.

From September 2018 to May 24 of this year, data show Chicago has led the nation's cities - with 811 people killed and injured in mass shootings.

When looking at per capita data from September of 2018 to May 24 of this year, Chicago ranks fourth with those killed and injured in mass shootings - behind St. Louis, New Orleans, and Baltimore.

Murder Rate Per 100,000 people for 2021

St. Louis, Missouri @ 64.54

Baltimore @ 58.27

Birmingham, AL @ 50.62

Detroit, Michigan @ 41.45

Dayton, Ohio @ 34.18

Baton Rouge, Louisiana @ 31.72

New Orleans, Louisiana @ 30.67

Kansas City, Missouri @ 29.88

Memphis, Tennessee @ 29.21

Cleveland, Ohio @ 24.09

Richmond, Virginia @ 23.84

Miami Gardens, Florida @ 23.64

Washington, D.C. @ 23.52

North Charleston, South Carolina @ 22.55

Peoria, Illinois 22.53

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 22.47

Columbia, South Carolina 21.68

San Bernardino, California 21.23

Cincinnati, Ohio 21.1

Columbus, Georgia 20.94

Tuscaloosa, Alabama 20.77

Atlanta, Georgia 19.53

Indianapolis, Indiana 19.51

Little Rock, Arkansas 19.15

Shreveport, Louisiana 18.66

Montgomery, Alabama 18.54

Buffalo, New York 18.38

Chicago, Illinois 18.26

Chattanooga, Tennessee 18.15

Newark, New Jersey 18.08

There are 27 cities with higher rates of listed murder than Chicago for 2021. (Many of those have some key similarities, some combination of gang problem, poverty problems, drug problems, urban decay problems, ****ting local government problems, etc, etc) Much of that was via gun violence, particularly with handguns. And more particularly with young black men shooting other young black men to death.

People keep talking about Chicago because it had more total shootings than anyplace else. And because it's mixed with a very large population and it has, on paper, extremely strict gun laws and gun regulation. But, because it is such a large city ( over 2.7 + million people), the rate per 100,000 people spreads that out. In 2021, Chicago had close to 3600 shootings. More than any other city.

If you say guns are coming from outside of Chicago, that only proves my point. You can have all the gun laws and gun regulations and gun reform in the world, but criminals and drug dealers and gang bangers are still going to find a way to get guns to kill each other. They'll adapt. If they have to all buy 3D printers and make guns themselves, they'll do that too. Gun laws do a great job of taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. If you have more criminals with guns, more civilians who are now unarmed by laws and clearly police who don't give a **** or won't show up, then how does that mix end up for those innocent law abiding decent every day working class people?

You make it sound like Fox News is secretly sending it's new anchors into these cities at night to start shooting the place up in some grand conspiracy.

You know why CNN and MSNBC aren't talking about Chicago? Because it's hard to get black people across the country to vote for you when you a have a large city full of idiots in charge ( Lightfoot) and constant corruption that's historically always had Democrats in leadership, and the end result is a historic pace of young black men with handguns slaughtering other young black men. It's hard to push that "White Nationalism Is The Blame For Everything" angle when that kind of truth comes out.

You want Fox News to stop talking about gun violence in Chicago? Then how about those gang bangers there stop killing each other with guns at such alarming rates. Something that's a "right wing talking point" is not magically removed from having a point and/or being the truth.

You want to give me some pathetic Fox News is to blame excuse. That's really sad and just plain weak. You've evolved from Fuck Trump and Fuck All Republicans to Fuck The News That Talks About Trump And Republicans. What does any of that have to do with the massacres in Chicago?

Your excuse smells bad, like a dead fish. Here, have a fish for such a lame excuse.

Your using murder rates? Thought we were talking about gun violence? My chart was simple. Had pics..
Your stating that if we had stricter gun laws "Nationally" it would be just as easy for criminals to get guns? All because gang members would all of a sudden become 3d printing geniuses. Is that where they are all getting their guns from today? I would think that driving to Kentucky and buying one at a garage sale was a bit easier. Funny stuff.

Did I hit a nerve by putting down your main source of information? Did not blame Fox news for the gun problem. Never said Fuck ALL Republicans or Trumpers. Just pointed out what Fox news is, who they are kowtowing to and that you used one of their favorite talking points. I mean if you are going to come on here and regurgitate everything they say as your own than fine. But just make it easy and post a link to their website. I am sure we would also see the *Then how about those gang bangers there stop killing each other with guns at such alarming rates" line as well. Fox is not real life. Btw, CNN is just as bad as are the sheep that use them as their only source of information.

You fail to understand/accept that people are not disagreeing with ALL of what you are saying. All because you are unable to ignore that someone has proved one of your points to be wrong or shortsighted. Don't you know it's just your opinion. You are free to have one. Does not matter if it's right or wrong. Your so worried about who is right. I'm not. Your worried about who is to blame. I'm not. just pointing out reasons we have little gun control. Your so worried about that famed UK "spotlight". lmao. My opinion is that we should have common sense gun laws in this country. Think many Republicans and Democrats feel the same way. Which btw, you seem to bring up Republicans and Democrats a lot. Why? Fox fever? I only brought up Republicans to point out that the last time major legislation was up for vote, the Republicans, all but 4, voted against it, If that hurts your feelings I am sorry. Fact is that it's not about Dems or Reps. It's about common sense and logic. Something most far end polarized thinkers have lost or never had. As for "Trumpers" I only brought them up because they are the ones that peacock AR-15's and guns every chance they get. ( They are the poster children for the NRA and for dental work, weight control, fast food, tacky Trump merchandise. JK...maybe just the ones on TV and social media? ) Not to mention that the Trump hoisted politicians, who have no other platforms besides guns and Trump, are the ones using guns to get elected. I will save everyone the time by not posting the countless pics of these idiots posing with assault rifles. But yeah, make it seem as though the Dems are the ones preventing gun legislation. Do agree that ALL politicians, both parties are to blame for where we are today. As are the millions of people that vote blindly. These issues will only end when common sense takes over and defeats political party lines and the Fox/CNN sheep. Figure never.