franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:I take that back on the pick. I had it confused with the protection Charlotte had.

I agree on IQ. I think he might be our best, most dynamic talent.

But you can't put that pressure on him. He might very well earn out the starting role over Dinwiddie. In which case, it's him and Rose.

He has warts, Dinwiddie, absolutely. I just think last year we needed a better plan around PG. Still do.

I'm ok with this being a 'gap year' in our development. But you have to try, as the GM, to fill your biggest holes - and PG remains an issue.

I just think there is a fine line between trading for a player who is a stop gap type and one who is a stepping stone to making your team better. For me, guy like Dinwiddie is at best a stop gap and nothing towards a solution.

IQ needs more minutes and I'd rather err on the side of the possibility of Rose getting hurt and relying on McBride and even Burks than introduce more wings into an overcrowded roster.

I think IQ might be a long term solution at the PG position.

Dimwiddie contributes towards the solution by taking some of the pressure off IQ, and allowing him to continue his development.

If you're advocating like I think some do and are, that a sink of swim, toss him in the deep end and let him work through any growing pains, I dig that and realize that could be the right approach for all or at best, some players.

But I am not saying Dinwiddie- who seemed to put up a real 0 last night (was he outscored by Frank, have to watch the game)- is anything more than a stop gap move.

I'm hoping we land in the top 4, draft a player like Ivey and never look back on these inane discussions we have about making our pathetic team just a little less pathetic.

I am not. He has both shown growth and earned towards starting or at least getting heavy minutes, around 30. The last 2 years would have been a sink or swim situation and I was not in favor of giving unearned minutes to IQ or starting him but this year is different. He has shown enough IMHO

Derrick Rose is there to relieve any pressure from IQ. Same with Burks. Dinwiddie would be like 3rd in line for that role and it's not necessary.

So you think we're set at the PG position. I feel like we need more help there- more so than at any other positions.

Where do you think the biggest gap is heading into next year?

I mean - SG is solid with Burks, Grimes, Fournier
SF is set with RJ. Cam can back up.
PF is Randle Obi
Center is Mitch/ Simms.

If IQ can start like he finished, and sustains his play, all things holding steady, improving, no major injuries- no reason we're not back in the play offs. First round exit, probably.

I feel that Dinwiddie doesn't do anything as an addition.

The whole team needs upgrading. Making a sideways move that also creates extra problems is not the path I would take.

franco12 wrote:

ToddTT wrote:

franco12 wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:The more I look at he playoffs, the less i like the idea of the Knicks taking on another PG reclamation project or throwing big $$$ on another mid-level PG.

Our reclamation project has been Kemba. Maybe a season off is just what he needed to become serviceable again. Why not give him another chance? We should let his story play out completely, while giving IQ and McBride a shot of growing into our long-term answer at PG, before taking another gamble on that position.

Plus look out for high-potential talent in the draft (though I am very much in the BPA camp on that one), and chances to acquire a true star PG for dimes on the dollar.

I don’t think Thibs likes Walker and I don’t know if time off is going to help his form. He is just getting older, like Rose.

If Walker sees another minute in a Knicks uni, I’m out. I’ll root for the Nets. Or watch Hockey.

so what was up with Kemba and his 44 point game? We did see flashes of a player that could make an impact. Does he need to go to Phoenix?

If we don't make any moves, is it awful to have him on the bench, assuming he understands he is break glass in case of emergency, behind IQ, Rose, McBride, Burks?

Yes, at this point it would be awful IMHO. You don't need a 5th backup PGs on your roster, there are better uses for that spot.

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:I take that back on the pick. I had it confused with the protection Charlotte had.

I agree on IQ. I think he might be our best, most dynamic talent.

But you can't put that pressure on him. He might very well earn out the starting role over Dinwiddie. In which case, it's him and Rose.

He has warts, Dinwiddie, absolutely. I just think last year we needed a better plan around PG. Still do.

I'm ok with this being a 'gap year' in our development. But you have to try, as the GM, to fill your biggest holes - and PG remains an issue.

I just think there is a fine line between trading for a player who is a stop gap type and one who is a stepping stone to making your team better. For me, guy like Dinwiddie is at best a stop gap and nothing towards a solution.

IQ needs more minutes and I'd rather err on the side of the possibility of Rose getting hurt and relying on McBride and even Burks than introduce more wings into an overcrowded roster.

I think IQ might be a long term solution at the PG position.

Dimwiddie contributes towards the solution by taking some of the pressure off IQ, and allowing him to continue his development.

If you're advocating like I think some do and are, that a sink of swim, toss him in the deep end and let him work through any growing pains, I dig that and realize that could be the right approach for all or at best, some players.

But I am not saying Dinwiddie- who seemed to put up a real 0 last night (was he outscored by Frank, have to watch the game)- is anything more than a stop gap move.

I'm hoping we land in the top 4, draft a player like Ivey and never look back on these inane discussions we have about making our pathetic team just a little less pathetic.

I am not. He has both shown growth and earned towards starting or at least getting heavy minutes, around 30. The last 2 years would have been a sink or swim situation and I was not in favor of giving unearned minutes to IQ or starting him but this year is different. He has shown enough IMHO

Derrick Rose is there to relieve any pressure from IQ. Same with Burks. Dinwiddie would be like 3rd in line for that role and it's not necessary.

So you think we're set at the PG position. I feel like we need more help there- more so than at any other positions.

Where do you think the biggest gap is heading into next year?

I mean - SG is solid with Burks, Grimes, Fournier
SF is set with RJ. Cam can back up.
PF is Randle Obi
Center is Mitch/ Simms.

If IQ can start like he finished, and sustains his play, all things holding steady, improving, no major injuries- no reason we're not back in the play offs. First round exit, probably.

I feel that Dinwiddie doesn't do anything as an addition.

The whole team needs upgrading. Making a sideways move that also creates extra problems is not the path I would take.

Agreed 100%. We should really think about Hinkiing the roster. If a player can't make a big enough impact, trade him, release him, tank away! That might be a bit extreme?

Sometimes it just amounts to letting the guys play and get better. Nothing wrong with that either.

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:I take that back on the pick. I had it confused with the protection Charlotte had.

I agree on IQ. I think he might be our best, most dynamic talent.

But you can't put that pressure on him. He might very well earn out the starting role over Dinwiddie. In which case, it's him and Rose.

He has warts, Dinwiddie, absolutely. I just think last year we needed a better plan around PG. Still do.

I'm ok with this being a 'gap year' in our development. But you have to try, as the GM, to fill your biggest holes - and PG remains an issue.

I just think there is a fine line between trading for a player who is a stop gap type and one who is a stepping stone to making your team better. For me, guy like Dinwiddie is at best a stop gap and nothing towards a solution.

IQ needs more minutes and I'd rather err on the side of the possibility of Rose getting hurt and relying on McBride and even Burks than introduce more wings into an overcrowded roster.

I think IQ might be a long term solution at the PG position.

Dimwiddie contributes towards the solution by taking some of the pressure off IQ, and allowing him to continue his development.

If you're advocating like I think some do and are, that a sink of swim, toss him in the deep end and let him work through any growing pains, I dig that and realize that could be the right approach for all or at best, some players.

But I am not saying Dinwiddie- who seemed to put up a real 0 last night (was he outscored by Frank, have to watch the game)- is anything more than a stop gap move.

I'm hoping we land in the top 4, draft a player like Ivey and never look back on these inane discussions we have about making our pathetic team just a little less pathetic.

I am not. He has both shown growth and earned towards starting or at least getting heavy minutes, around 30. The last 2 years would have been a sink or swim situation and I was not in favor of giving unearned minutes to IQ or starting him but this year is different. He has shown enough IMHO

Derrick Rose is there to relieve any pressure from IQ. Same with Burks. Dinwiddie would be like 3rd in line for that role and it's not necessary.

So you think we're set at the PG position. I feel like we need more help there- more so than at any other positions.

Where do you think the biggest gap is heading into next year?

I mean - SG is solid with Burks, Grimes, Fournier
SF is set with RJ. Cam can back up.
PF is Randle Obi
Center is Mitch/ Simms.

If IQ can start like he finished, and sustains his play, all things holding steady, improving, no major injuries- no reason we're not back in the play offs. First round exit, probably.

I feel that Dinwiddie doesn't do anything as an addition.

The whole team needs upgrading. Making a sideways move that also creates extra problems is not the path I would take.

Agreed 100%. We should really think about Hinkiing the roster. If a player can't make a big enough impact, trade him, release him, tank away! That might be a bit extreme?

Sometimes it just amounts to letting the guys play and get better. Nothing wrong with that either.

You have to cut bait at some point. Look at Frank. He is a useful bench player but is he worth the 8th pick in the draft and 4 years of development? Knicks roster right now is the worst spot you can be in. Totally maxed out. A bunch of bad contracts. There basically forced to overpay Mitch and RJ. We are about to be way over the cap with players that have no chance of getting this team anywhere near a title. I don't envy the Knicks Front Office right now.

Jmpasq wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:I take that back on the pick. I had it confused with the protection Charlotte had.

I agree on IQ. I think he might be our best, most dynamic talent.

But you can't put that pressure on him. He might very well earn out the starting role over Dinwiddie. In which case, it's him and Rose.

He has warts, Dinwiddie, absolutely. I just think last year we needed a better plan around PG. Still do.

I'm ok with this being a 'gap year' in our development. But you have to try, as the GM, to fill your biggest holes - and PG remains an issue.

I just think there is a fine line between trading for a player who is a stop gap type and one who is a stepping stone to making your team better. For me, guy like Dinwiddie is at best a stop gap and nothing towards a solution.

IQ needs more minutes and I'd rather err on the side of the possibility of Rose getting hurt and relying on McBride and even Burks than introduce more wings into an overcrowded roster.

I think IQ might be a long term solution at the PG position.

Dimwiddie contributes towards the solution by taking some of the pressure off IQ, and allowing him to continue his development.

If you're advocating like I think some do and are, that a sink of swim, toss him in the deep end and let him work through any growing pains, I dig that and realize that could be the right approach for all or at best, some players.

But I am not saying Dinwiddie- who seemed to put up a real 0 last night (was he outscored by Frank, have to watch the game)- is anything more than a stop gap move.

I'm hoping we land in the top 4, draft a player like Ivey and never look back on these inane discussions we have about making our pathetic team just a little less pathetic.

I am not. He has both shown growth and earned towards starting or at least getting heavy minutes, around 30. The last 2 years would have been a sink or swim situation and I was not in favor of giving unearned minutes to IQ or starting him but this year is different. He has shown enough IMHO

Derrick Rose is there to relieve any pressure from IQ. Same with Burks. Dinwiddie would be like 3rd in line for that role and it's not necessary.

So you think we're set at the PG position. I feel like we need more help there- more so than at any other positions.

Where do you think the biggest gap is heading into next year?

I mean - SG is solid with Burks, Grimes, Fournier
SF is set with RJ. Cam can back up.
PF is Randle Obi
Center is Mitch/ Simms.

If IQ can start like he finished, and sustains his play, all things holding steady, improving, no major injuries- no reason we're not back in the play offs. First round exit, probably.

I feel that Dinwiddie doesn't do anything as an addition.

The whole team needs upgrading. Making a sideways move that also creates extra problems is not the path I would take.

Agreed 100%. We should really think about Hinkiing the roster. If a player can't make a big enough impact, trade him, release him, tank away! That might be a bit extreme?

Sometimes it just amounts to letting the guys play and get better. Nothing wrong with that either.

You have to cut bait at some point. Look at Frank. He is a useful bench player but is he worth the 8th pick in the draft and 4 years of development? Knicks roster right now is the worst spot you can be in. Totally maxed out. A bunch of bad contracts. There basically forced to overpay Mitch and RJ. We are about to be way over the cap with players that have no chance of getting this team anywhere near a title. I don't envy the Knicks Front Office right now.

Few if anyone here feels that letting go of frank was a bad thing. same for trading Knox with a pick that is not certain to convey for a flyer on Cam reddish.

The contacts you speak of? How are we “forced to over pay” for RJ or Mitch? Mitch was an oft injured player coming off a non contact foot broken bone. RJ Avg’d 20 pts a game and is a true 21 year old who gets better every year.
Randle was due a massive contract last year but knicks did not panic. He’ll make 23 mil this year. A 20-10 player paid abotu 47-50th in the league. Not even top 10%. Im not painting a rosy situation. Just not rubbing fecal matter over everything either.

At the end of the day lets see what our opening day roster looks like before we start freaking out.

BigDaddyG wrote:This thread title isn't aging well.

The reverse jinx threads are undefeated.

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:lol yeah this didnt age well throwing Brunson shade

think of it as the reverse-reverse jinx. You didn't want Brunson on the team so by pointing out how bad he is, he outperforms and then makes his situation so bad for the Knicks (cause they are no longer in the range for a S&T) and conversely so good for Dallas that they end up keeping him at a ridiculous contract price. For you this is a win-win.

Yeah....😢

fishmike wrote:lol yeah this didnt age well throwing Brunson shade

On the bright side, the "" Frank haters can suck it" is gaining traction.

KnickDanger wrote:I guess I feel the same about Brunson as i did before -- good to very good player on a good to very good team. I don't see him being maxxed at all, or any possibility of him coming here. If he did I wonder how he would handle all the bing bong smokers.

Cuban isn't letting Brunson go.