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Philc1
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2/7/2022  5:22 PM
Chandler wrote:my guess is CJ would involve Obi plus

Oh God no
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2/7/2022  5:24 PM
jskinny35 wrote:
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why? $68M for the next two years?

He'd be the only one on the roster who could consistently get off a decent shot (RJ isn't there yet and I'm not sure Julius knows what a decent shot is) CJ's medical history is kinda scary though.

CJ is clearly a very good player (better then anyone on our roster at the moment) - but not upper tier. He's not young, has some serious injuries to weigh, and I'd prefer to give that time to Grimes. He'd also force RJ to stay at the 3 whereas Grimes and RJ were more interchangeable b/c of Grimes positive defensive abilities. Oh yeah - and don't we need a PG way more than a SG?

I'd have to guess we would also have to know what is going out for CJ. Let's say it's Randle, Fournier, Burks for CJ, Bledsoe. Those are the roster spots and maybe more goes back and forth.

Obi gets a ton more time. Reddish SF time opens up off bench. You don't need to play Kemba cause maybe CJ takes on the role. Grime time opens up.

Can CJ play the PG position?

No he’s a shooting guard.
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2/7/2022  5:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/7/2022  5:28 PM
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NOP have the better contracts and younger players they’re happy to move- likely he’s dealt there over us

Not crazy about McCollum. He’d be nothing more than a 6’3 Fournier with a slightly more team friendly deal


If it’s Randle for CJ that’s fine. Ditto for a EF for CJ trade but like someone said it looks like the blazers are in fire sale mode so they just want expiring contracts and picks/assets
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2/7/2022  6:33 PM
How about 2 1st, quickly, topping and Burks for Dejonte Murray? Probably not enough but that’s exactly what we need
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2/7/2022  7:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/7/2022  7:21 PM
Im not feeling the CJ trade rumors, why add a potential ball stopper to a team with problems with ball movement? I would rather prioritize a long term or stop gap solution to the starting PG problem. Among all the possible PG, i want the knicks to do what it takes to get Murray, 2 1st, IQ, burks and OBi, im willing to do that.
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2/7/2022  7:26 PM
Jimbo5 wrote:Im not feeling the CJ trade rumors, why add a potential ball stopper to a team with problems with ball movement? I would rather prioritize a long term or stop gap solution to the starting PG problem. Among all the possible PG, i want the knicks to do what it takes to get Murray, 2 1st, IQ, burks and OBi, im willing to do that.

CJ is a ball stopper?

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2/7/2022  7:32 PM
Jimbo5 wrote:Im not feeling the CJ trade rumors, why add a potential ball stopper to a team with problems with ball movement? I would rather prioritize a long term or stop gap solution to the starting PG problem. Among all the possible PG, i want the knicks to do what it takes to get Murray, 2 1st, IQ, burks and OBi, im willing to do that.

They could literally just send the Knicks CJ and Bledsoe and the Knicks could send them back Randle, Burks, and Noel. If that is the cost for CJ maybe it’s a better long term deal.

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2/7/2022  8:07 PM
martin wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:Im not feeling the CJ trade rumors, why add a potential ball stopper to a team with problems with ball movement? I would rather prioritize a long term or stop gap solution to the starting PG problem. Among all the possible PG, i want the knicks to do what it takes to get Murray, 2 1st, IQ, burks and OBi, im willing to do that.

CJ is a ball stopper?

He may not be a ball stopper but im not sure how his fit will be beside Randle and RJ. This season Rj is averaging 15 attempts, Randle 16, while CJ is 18. Depending on the trade packge, if Evan stays he is another mouth to feed. Without a very good floor general to orchestrate the offense, we can hear, "it will take time for these players to gel". Is CJ average defensively? Why is the FO obsessed with adding offensive players? That wont fix the team's defense
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2/7/2022  8:09 PM
I don't think CJ is a ball stopper and he is more efficient - but not sure adding another iso-shot creator/ball handler will work if Randle is staying. I much rather replace Randle with CJ and use others to fill in at the PF spot. You would need Raef Lafrenz and Steve Novak to play alongside Randle, RJ and CJ McCollum.
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2/7/2022  8:36 PM
Jimbo5 wrote:
martin wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:Im not feeling the CJ trade rumors, why add a potential ball stopper to a team with problems with ball movement? I would rather prioritize a long term or stop gap solution to the starting PG problem. Among all the possible PG, i want the knicks to do what it takes to get Murray, 2 1st, IQ, burks and OBi, im willing to do that.

CJ is a ball stopper?

He may not be a ball stopper but im not sure how his fit will be beside Randle and RJ. This season Rj is averaging 15 attempts, Randle 16, while CJ is 18. Depending on the trade packge, if Evan stays he is another mouth to feed. Without a very good floor general to orchestrate the offense, we can hear, "it will take time for these players to gel". Is CJ average defensively? Why is the FO obsessed with adding offensive players? That wont fix the team's defense

You went from CJ ball stopping to a team needing to spread the shots around to needing an orchestrator to CJ defense.

I can't keep up

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2/7/2022  11:08 PM
Philc1 wrote:
Chandler wrote:my guess is CJ would involve Obi plus

Oh God no

I like Toppin but there’s no way you hold up a McCollum deal over him. Right now he’s a 24 year old who’s not a starting level player.
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2/7/2022  11:27 PM
Knixkik wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Chandler wrote:my guess is CJ would involve Obi plus

Oh God no

I like Toppin but there’s no way you hold up a McCollum deal over him. Right now he’s a 24 year old who’s not a starting level player.

I’m sold. I’m done with Obi
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2/7/2022  11:27 PM
We have to get rid of Fournier. What an awful contract
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2/7/2022  11:35 PM
Get Fournier out of here.
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2/8/2022  12:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/8/2022  12:34 AM
I think a deal of Founier, Toppin, and second round pick for CJ would be a solid deal. CJ is the truth. He is a better creator that Founier and he actually might be able to play some point guard for us, which was his position coming out of college but he deferred to Lillard as the pg in the pros and focused his game more on being a scorer.
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2/8/2022  1:31 AM
If only Randle can maintain his production the past couple of games i think for the short term its better to keep Randle and increase his trade value for the offseason.

I do think the FO's 1st order of business is to solve the point guard problem. They dont need to get a long term PG. can the knicks get Dragic for the rest of the season? What do they need to give up? If dragic works out maybe he can mentor Rokas when he comes next year. This team just needs stability at the starting PG spot.

I do hope the knicks can trade Atleast 2 of these 3 players, Burks, Walker and Noel. Can the knicks get Bamba from the Magic? I want to see an added dimension of a strech 5 in the line up the rest of the year. With Bamba he can still be the rim protector Thibs need on the floor
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2/8/2022  2:27 AM
Philc1 wrote:Get Fournier out of here.

Not a Fournier fan but I think if he moved to the bench we would appreciate him in that role. He is getting starter's salary but is really a 6th or 7th man playing as a starter b/c we are talent depleted. If we move Burks it won't hurt as much as we think since Grimes is developing ahead of schedule.
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2/8/2022  2:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/8/2022  2:44 AM
The Knicks trading for CJ would be akin to buying a pair of Converses to walk outdoors during a harsh snowy winter just 'cause they are more fashionable than snowboots.

Let us face it, this season is a lost cause. Better position ourselves for a decent draft pick and player development. Rather than desperation trades for over-the-hill point guards, who have 0.5-2.0 seasons left in them (Dragic brings stability, really?), the Knicks should commit to developing IQ as our starting point guard of the future. And then we will have our own version of a CJ Mccollum without having to trade for him. Force feed him minutes, get him playing time, let him learn by playing and growing through mistakes. Using Burks or Kemba as the main PG at this point is a road to nowhere.
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2/8/2022  8:02 AM
ESOMKnicks wrote:The Knicks trading for CJ would be akin to buying a pair of Converses to walk outdoors during a harsh snowy winter just 'cause they are more fashionable than snowboots.

Let us face it, this season is a lost cause. Better position ourselves for a decent draft pick and player development. Rather than desperation trades for over-the-hill point guards, who have 0.5-2.0 seasons left in them (Dragic brings stability, really?), the Knicks should commit to developing IQ as our starting point guard of the future. And then we will have our own version of a CJ Mccollum without having to trade for him. Force feed him minutes, get him playing time, let him learn by playing and growing through mistakes. Using Burks or Kemba as the main PG at this point is a road to nowhere.

LOL the Knicks are literally doing this while also trying to win. You are just quibbling because he isn't starting, and he shouldn't, he is not ready for it.

How apropos that you compare him to CJ, who pretty much played LESS minutes of the bench his first 2 years in similar role to IQ. Top 10 pick.

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