Marv wrote:lose the guy. what’s the possible rationale for doing otherwise?

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The back thing. Its a good one. Also a muscle is the brain. HE can do the “ain’t right” thing and he can get paid. What happened since they extended him? This guy been this way for years.
That Kardashian thing will mess you up! He was with Kendall for a bit I though. Gotta stay away from succubus women.
Name one dude that came out better than he want in? Kanye? Kris Humphries? Tristan Thompson? Lamar Odom? Scott Dissak? Not sure what he ever did before, maybe his **** life is better than his **** life before?
Bruce Jenner? He got neutered. Literally.

Simmons, this poor kid lost his mojo and what was left of his sensibilities.
Devon Booker seems unscathed.

gradyandrew wrote:Ben was upfront about wanting a trade as soon as the playoffs ended. That's why he was in Chicago to "train" during the combine. At some point not making a decision IS making a decision. There were a lot of deals and equivalent level players moved this offseason，Lowry，Kemba，DeRozan， Westbrook off the top of my head. Schroeder， Dinwiddie can probably be put in that list too. This is all on Morey for not getting a deal done. It says a lot about the relationship between capital and labor that the story hasn't been spun this way.

Totally disagree. The Sixers tried to trade him and did not get what they wanted. Now, could you make an argument that the Sixers should have lowered their demands somewhat, of course. But the reality is that the Sixers have Simmons under contract for four more years. This is not a want league. Just because Simmons does not want to play for the Sixers anymore does not mean that they are obligated to take a trade that they are not happy with. At some point, probably within the next two months, some team that thought they were better than they actually are is going to make a better trade offer to the Sixers and the simmons will be gone. But the Sixers Have made it clear that they’re willing to wait until that happens and the only real issue is whether they’re going to just pay Simmons to go away and sit at home or whether they are going to continue playing this game of trying to get him to play, which I don’t think they should do.

gradyandrew wrote:Ben was upfront about wanting a trade as soon as the playoffs ended. That's why he was in Chicago to "train" during the combine. At some point not making a decision IS making a decision. There were a lot of deals and equivalent level players moved this offseason，Lowry，Kemba，DeRozan， Westbrook off the top of my head. Schroeder， Dinwiddie can probably be put in that list too. This is all on Morey for not getting a deal done. It says a lot about the relationship between capital and labor that the story hasn't been spun this way.

Not sure I get this take. I'm pro labor but capital didn't twist Ben Simmons are to sign his max contract.

Why is capital obligated to pay him if he shows up but also obligated to trade when he doesn't?

What am I missing?

Nalod wrote:Again, this is not on Morey, this is the 76ers owner and partners who grant Morey the authority to speak and seek deals. Morey does not write the checks. Owners are involved more than most fans think.

How's this on anyone on the Sixers?

Simmons is throwing a tantrum.

The sixers organization is obliged to indulge him?

I don't get it.

Nalod wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:Ben was upfront about wanting a trade as soon as the playoffs ended. That's why he was in Chicago to "train" during the combine. At some point not making a decision IS making a decision. There were a lot of deals and equivalent level players moved this offseason，Lowry，Kemba，DeRozan， Westbrook off the top of my head. Schroeder， Dinwiddie can probably be put in that list too. This is all on Morey for not getting a deal done. It says a lot about the relationship between capital and labor that the story hasn't been spun this way.

Lowrey was a sign and trade free agent. The rest of the guys you mentioned were free agents except Westbrook.
The blame game is on now. Simmons never stated he why he wanted out did he? Its obvious but the dude had a bad series and things were said. True things were said. Not made up ****. Granted, Doc was raw at the time and answered the question a bit over the top.

Kemba was traded to OKC. DeRozan was signed and traded to Chicago. The point is there were plenty of deals available and Morey has instead decided to hold onto Ben in hopes he can find a better one. But instead of publicly admitting this strategy and let Ben stay at home，he has insisted that Ben come to Philly and risk injury on his way out the door. Or，in lieu of that，become public enemy number one.

Even during game 1 vs. Atlanta I was pretty sure Ben wanted out. Doc's abysmal strategy to put Green on Trae rather than Ben was the reason home court advantage was lost. By the 4th quarter of Game 5 it was clear that Ben had lost all confidence in Doc. Ben was second banana to Embiid for years，the only thing that changed was the coach.

Players ask for trades all the time and smart GMs work with them because they understand that you can't force a guy to dive out of bounds to save a possession. Morey sees players as assets instead of individuals. Good for the Knicks though.

Knickoftime wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:Ben was upfront about wanting a trade as soon as the playoffs ended. That's why he was in Chicago to "train" during the combine. At some point not making a decision IS making a decision. There were a lot of deals and equivalent level players moved this offseason，Lowry，Kemba，DeRozan， Westbrook off the top of my head. Schroeder， Dinwiddie can probably be put in that list too. This is all on Morey for not getting a deal done. It says a lot about the relationship between capital and labor that the story hasn't been spun this way.

Not sure I get this take. I'm pro labor but capital didn't twist Ben Simmons are to sign his max contract.

Why is capital obligated to pay him if he shows up but also obligated to trade when he doesn't?

What am I missing?

It's not a competitive market. His draft rights were owned by the 76ers and the structure of the second contract is heavily weighted to resigning with the team that drafted you. The fact that max salaries are capped means that it's likely if the market was open he could have signed for a higher amount.

It seems like other teams have made offers for him，which also suggests that he still has value at his contract amount. If the issue was simply "we pay you so you should work" I think there are a lot of trades available for players happy to get court time; John Wall and Kevin Love for example. So the issue is not about payment for services; the issue is getting value for an asset. He isn't an asset，he's an individual.

Daryl Morey reiterated in an interview on Friday that the Philadelphia 76ers wouldn't be rushed into trading Ben Simmons.

"People should buckle in. This is going to take a long time," Morey said.

"You're going to think I'm kidding, I'm not, this could be four years," Morey said. "The conditions I'm pointing out to you don't change. Unless Ben Simmons is traded for a difference-maker, we're in the prime of Joel [Embiid]'s career. We have to get back either Ben Simmons playing well for us, who helps us win the championship, or we have to get back a difference-maker for Ben Simmons. Or this could be four years from now, and we're still like, 'Hey, we took the best shot at it we could.'

"This could be four years. This is not day-to-day. Every day, we're going to expect Ben Simmons to be back here, or we're trading him for a difference-maker. There's no other outcome that doesn't materially hurt our chance to win the championship in Joel Embiid's prime.

This guy sounds like he's been blowing lines.

gradyandrew wrote:

Daryl Morey reiterated in an interview on Friday that the Philadelphia 76ers wouldn't be rushed into trading Ben Simmons.

"People should buckle in. This is going to take a long time," Morey said.

"You're going to think I'm kidding, I'm not, this could be four years," Morey said. "The conditions I'm pointing out to you don't change. Unless Ben Simmons is traded for a difference-maker, we're in the prime of Joel [Embiid]'s career. We have to get back either Ben Simmons playing well for us, who helps us win the championship, or we have to get back a difference-maker for Ben Simmons. Or this could be four years from now, and we're still like, 'Hey, we took the best shot at it we could.'

"This could be four years. This is not day-to-day. Every day, we're going to expect Ben Simmons to be back here, or we're trading him for a difference-maker. There's no other outcome that doesn't materially hurt our chance to win the championship in Joel Embiid's prime.

This guy sounds like he's been blowing lines.

And he also sounds like someone who wasn't getting much phone action on a one-way, overpaid maxed out douche bag who is now documented as uncoachable on so many levels that Morey probably couldn't get anyone on the line who would swallow that contract without asking for 1st round picks out to 2035 while giving back used knee braces and some groupons for stale cheesesteaks.

Yes, corporate America is evil and the worker should prevail. We get it.

But sometimes your worker is an out and out idiot.

You keep saying there "seems" like there were deals, and "there must have been deals available" because others were traded. You're honestly lumping Lowry, Kemba, Derozan, even Westbrook in the same line of moron as Simmons now appears to be? With that contract? A dickhead who can't be bothered or EVEN SPOKEN TO about possibly learning how to take a jumpshot or a foulshot?

How many times does this have to be gone over?