Knicks62 wrote:This would be a great trade for both teams!! Cleveland was interested in Toppin last draft.

BRIGGS wrote:Could take princes contract off their hands

I’m thinking that too. Could save them some money. Worth noting he is CAA as well. Sexton and Prince for Toppin, Knox, 19 and 32.

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Could take princes contract off their hands

I’m thinking that too. Could save them some money. Worth noting he is CAA as well. Sexton and Prince for Toppin, Knox, 19 and 32.

Or the Knicks could wait until the trade deadline or based on his previous relationships with the Knicks front office, be enticed to sign an offer sheet next offseason.

There are some things to really like about Sexton but also some things to be concerned about. The Knicks can hold onto all their draft picks and still acquire Sexton eventually. It doesn't have to be now.

The depth and degree to which the Cavs are forcing this issue into the public means they won't match any offer sheet for him down the road.

Folks here need to know what they are getting. Sexton is an extremely hard worker and he's gotten better every year and he's legitimately a pure scorer in the most natural/instinctive sense. He can consistently create his own shot. Even when bracketed by opposing teams defenses. However he's a low BBIQ player and he's going to want a lot of money and his defense is close to zero and you won't get a ton of good decision making on the court.

Before the Knicks give up assets to burn out that cap space, let them search the entire field and see who will give them something to absorb something into their cap space.

Sexton is not a decision that needs to be made today.

DO NOT include RJ in the package

TripleThreat wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Could take princes contract off their hands

I’m thinking that too. Could save them some money. Worth noting he is CAA as well. Sexton and Prince for Toppin, Knox, 19 and 32.

Or the Knicks could wait until the trade deadline or based on his previous relationships with the Knicks front office, be enticed to sign an offer sheet next offseason.

There are some things to really like about Sexton but also some things to be concerned about. The Knicks can hold onto all their draft picks and still acquire Sexton eventually. It doesn't have to be now.

The depth and degree to which the Cavs are forcing this issue into the public means they won't match any offer sheet for him down the road.

Folks here need to know what they are getting. Sexton is an extremely hard worker and he's gotten better every year and he's legitimately a pure scorer in the most natural/instinctive sense. He can consistently create his own shot. Even when bracketed by opposing teams defenses. However he's a low BBIQ player and he's going to want a lot of money and his defense is close to zero and you won't get a ton of good decision making on the court.

Before the Knicks give up assets to burn out that cap space, let them search the entire field and see who will give them something to absorb something into their cap space.

Sexton is not a decision that needs to be made today.

I disagree, someone will trade for him. Right now he is in play for over the cap teams too. He can be had without giving up to much outgoing salary. They will trade for his bird rights

But he’s definitely going to be traded so he certainly won’t be in Cleveland next offseason. The fact is that he can now be obtained for a very fair price and if he has a contract for another 2 or 3 seasons, this would be a no brainer. But if his contract lasted that long, Cleveland wouldn't even trade him for that price.

I am not absolutely against bringing him, but if I could choose, I would rather go some other way.

FrenchFreak wrote:

Chandler wrote:i was wary of Sexton, seeing him as another ball dominant, ball hog. Might still be true???

that said, his 3pt% and ft% are higher than i thought and i may be coming around

His percentages are solid but it’s on low volume. He makes less than 2 threes per game. If you’re actually a three point shooter and as ball dominant as Sexton you would accidentally be open for more threes than that. Could his percentages hold up if he took more three point shots?

I think with Randle and RJ you’re better off with a Lowry type- better facilitator and shooter than Sexton. In terms of shooting I can see IQ making high volume three pointers; I can’t see it from Sexton.

Lonzo, by the way, made twice as many threes per game than Sexton last year at a similar rate without dominating the ball. Given his superior defensive potential I’d take Lonzo every time over Sexton.

We could have both next year. Sexton is on rookie deal. He could be a rental. Test drive

The only L I see is losing Toppin..

If Toppin really becomes great he can sign back with us in 3 years lol

Plus we can draft trey Murphy to do exactly what Toppin was doing with way better D

Jmpasq wrote:
I disagree, someone will trade for him. Right now he is in play for over the cap teams too. He can be had without giving up to much outgoing salary. They will trade for his bird rights

This seems like the key point and ultimately why the Knicks won't get him. Lakers, Clippers, and 76ers May all need a starting point guard, not to mention everyone else who could use him as a sixth man. A lot of teams will be willing and able.

In that situation, what assets will the Knicks have to give up? Maybe Knicks are for sure this guy is a multi year all star- the missing piece. Anyone else besides Knox I get quesy, anything more than the two Dallas picks I walk away.

Welpee wrote:

xavier wrote:As I’ve already written, I agree with TT that I’m not exactly thrilled with Sexton. He absolutely brings some things that this team lacks, but I just don’t think he’s a solution for us. He’s not smooth enough to be the first option on a serious team, probably not the second either, and defensively he’s just bad. Of course he has qualities, but I'm pretty sure he'll expect a max contract which he doesn't deserve at all.

The easiest thing in the world is to harp on what players can't do and why they aren't a perfect fit. Heck, there are some flaws with Dame too. Yes, I would love to have a young version of Chris Paul but no such player exist. Every available player is going to be flawed. Again, please share available players who you think would be a much better fit for us.

The NBA salary structure is designed for, at most, two max contracts and one mid to high end MCC ( Middle Class contract). Then some rookies, some choice free agent signings at value, some journeymen and some at the veterans minimum.

RJ Barrett is on his way to a market max contract. Is he a top 10 player in the NBA? No. Can he likely carry a team to the Finals by himself? No. But he's marketable and it's been a long time since the Knicks and the networks could latch onto a drafted and developed high end player.

There's nothing wrong with giving Sexton a max deal AS LONG AS IT'S CLEAR EVERYONE INVOLVED UNDERSTANDS WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY GETTING INTO. There's nothing wrong with a fun team to watch that's a consistent exit from the playoffs in the 2nd round. The Seven Seconds Or Less Suns were a fantastic value for anyone in Phoenix who bought a ticket. They were a fun team to watch. They played exciting basketball. The NBA league administration and Stern loved the type of hype and highlights that system created.

If you give Sexton a max deal, you are overpaying him by quite a bit and you will never win a championship with him as one of your two max/best players. You will also have tension in your locker room about how the ball is shared on the court and you'll drive a Defense First/Defense Always coach like Thibs insane with the low BBIQ and zero defense.

Your perspective is the same one Zeke used to run this team into the ground, where the ripples made this team suffer for over a decade after he was gone.

The Knicks could very well grab someone at 19 or 21 who has a major breakout. The system was designed to reward teams who focus on the draft. Dumping picks to overpay players is how NY got into so much pain and suffering for so long in the first place.

Sexton is a useful player AT A SPECIFIC COST.

TripleThreat wrote:

Welpee wrote:

xavier wrote:As I’ve already written, I agree with TT that I’m not exactly thrilled with Sexton. He absolutely brings some things that this team lacks, but I just don’t think he’s a solution for us. He’s not smooth enough to be the first option on a serious team, probably not the second either, and defensively he’s just bad. Of course he has qualities, but I'm pretty sure he'll expect a max contract which he doesn't deserve at all.

The easiest thing in the world is to harp on what players can't do and why they aren't a perfect fit. Heck, there are some flaws with Dame too. Yes, I would love to have a young version of Chris Paul but no such player exist. Every available player is going to be flawed. Again, please share available players who you think would be a much better fit for us.

The NBA salary structure is designed for, at most, two max contracts and one mid to high end MCC ( Middle Class contract). Then some rookies, some choice free agent signings at value, some journeymen and some at the veterans minimum.

RJ Barrett is on his way to a market max contract. Is he a top 10 player in the NBA? No. Can he likely carry a team to the Finals by himself? No. But he's marketable and it's been a long time since the Knicks and the networks could latch onto a drafted and developed high end player.

There's nothing wrong with giving Sexton a max deal AS LONG AS IT'S CLEAR EVERYONE INVOLVED UNDERSTANDS WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY GETTING INTO. There's nothing wrong with a fun team to watch that's a consistent exit from the playoffs in the 2nd round. The Seven Seconds Or Less Suns were a fantastic value for anyone in Phoenix who bought a ticket. They were a fun team to watch. They played exciting basketball. The NBA league administration and Stern loved the type of hype and highlights that system created.

If you give Sexton a max deal, you are overpaying him by quite a bit and you will never win a championship with him as one of your two max/best players. You will also have tension in your locker room about how the ball is shared on the court and you'll drive a Defense First/Defense Always coach like Thibs insane with the low BBIQ and zero defense.

Your perspective is the same one Zeke used to run this team into the ground, where the ripples made this team suffer for over a decade after he was gone.

The Knicks could very well grab someone at 19 or 21 who has a major breakout. The system was designed to reward teams who focus on the draft. Dumping picks to overpay players is how NY got into so much pain and suffering for so long in the first place.

Sexton is a useful player AT A SPECIFIC COST.

What matters is the Knick taking a chance to add a top flight scorer to the mix who's young and still has upside. He's 22, put up 24/4, was the 8th most doubled player in the NBA and still had efficient scoring #s

Knicks can trade for Sexton and still use their cap space to sign an impact FA or make other moves as well. Get the high end talent first and see what your coaching staff can do. Teams are built and time is part of that. Some would think if you actually watched how this NBA year has played out you would learn patience, especially with player development is as important as getting the talent itself.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/post.asp?m=q&r=1639120&t=61206&page=2

TripleThreat wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Giving Randle away is a silly. He has value.

If the Knicks could trade Randle to another team and into their empty cap space, for the rights to a Euro Stash who would never play in the NBA, they would do it. They would say Yes so fast over the phone it would sound like a grunt you make while taking a big ****. Trust me, trading Randle right now would feel like taking a big **** from the Knicks front office.

When a miserable woman gets divorced, she heads right to the gym. She's gonna get in shape so she can reel in a new sucker. Once she's reeled him in, she's gonna get fat and comfortable again. That's Julius Randle. He'll try when he knows a contract is coming up, once he's got a little security, he plays like a total *******.

He's the worst kind of player. He blocks minutes/a roster spot from you auditioning young longshot hopefuls. He generates just enough wins to ruin your tanking. He's plays like an ******* so he kills morale in your locker room. He ball stops enough to choke the development of your younger players. He's got tanked trade value so you are just stuck with him. Since he won't listen to the coach, he is a tax on the sanity of any coach on your team. I can live with a guy who just isn't all that good but actually pushes effort. But Randle just doesn't give a ****.

If you were lost on a desert island with Julius Randle, he's the kind of low rent nipple hair that would steal your little daughters Hannah Montana lunch box to steal her animal crackers. Then he'd take a **** in it. Then he'd give it back to your daughter and scream at her until she said Thank You King Julius.

Just to keep that ball stopping choad away from the rookies, it's worth it to dump him.