GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:Kawhi is a SF

Giddy plays PG for his team

I know. I see a chemistry problem, their games are so similar. If we got Kawhi, Randle would not be the right option at PF IMO. We would need a big who doesnt touch the ball as much. Obi (if he keeps progressing) would be a better fit. With Lonzo's ability to find cutting teammates.

Think we could better use the cap space to keep most of the rotation we have.

As I said about Giddey, it was a quick look. I see more of a point forward (in a pinch) in the NBA.

Use cap space on Kawhi or keep the rotation players we have right now would not have been the turning point I would have imagined the thread to reach.

Wouldnt have imagined this conversation taking such a douchey turn Martin. WTF?

Randle is 3 years younger, more durable, better orchestrator. All Star. How did the Clips do last playoffs? Did Kawhi put them over the top? The rotation we have, with the addition of Ball, and another difference maker, might be good enough to challenge a Nets squad that has a lot of trouble staying on the court for very long.

Maxing out Kawhi when he's pushing 30 is not a good idea. Doubt he will come to NY for just a couple of years, at 30. Might be his last big payday.

Melo wasnt on Kawhi's level. But that near max re-up, and the injuries, cost us. Dont want to see it happen again.

Oh yeah, how did it become douchey?

Or did you expect that making the type of statement that you did can’t be brought to light or questioned?

Kawhi or resign who with cap space? Burks, Bullock, Rose, Frank, Noel, Taj? Who?

And why do you think that just because Kawhi didn’t carry his team to finals last year - as he had done just the previous year for a ring - diminishes him as one of the best 2-way players in the league?

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:Kawhi is a SF

Giddy plays PG for his team

I know. I see a chemistry problem, their games are so similar. If we got Kawhi, Randle would not be the right option at PF IMO. We would need a big who doesnt touch the ball as much. Obi (if he keeps progressing) would be a better fit. With Lonzo's ability to find cutting teammates.

Think we could better use the cap space to keep most of the rotation we have.

As I said about Giddey, it was a quick look. I see more of a point forward (in a pinch) in the NBA.

Use cap space on Kawhi or keep the rotation players we have right now would not have been the turning point I would have imagined the thread to reach.

Wouldnt have imagined this conversation taking such a douchey turn Martin. WTF?

Randle is 3 years younger, more durable, better orchestrator. All Star. How did the Clips do last playoffs? Did Kawhi put them over the top? The rotation we have, with the addition of Ball, and another difference maker, might be good enough to challenge a Nets squad that has a lot of trouble staying on the court for very long.

Maxing out Kawhi when he's pushing 30 is not a good idea. Doubt he will come to NY for just a couple of years, at 30. Might be his last big payday.

Melo wasnt on Kawhi's level. But that near max re-up, and the injuries, cost us. Dont want to see it happen again.

Oh yeah, how did it become douchey?

Or did you expect that making the type of statement that you did can’t be brought to light or questioned?

Kawhi or resign who with cap space? Burks, Bullock, Rose, Frank, Noel, Taj? Who?

And why do you think that just because Kawhi didn’t carry his team to finals last year - as he had done just the previous year for a ring - diminishes him as one of the best 2-way players in the league?

Do not deny your douchery sir. It is unbecoming.

Suggesting that I made a thread altering comment.

Look at how you keep framing my statement.

"Role players or Kawhi" pure douchery!

You're leaving out that I dont believe Randle will work with Kawhi. Which means its more like Kawhi and role players vs a younger Randle and a better supporting cast. Because Kawhi will be more expensive. Keep the best players in the rotation. Add Lonzo, maybe another good player. Already explained why Im against what likely could mean a max deal for Kawhi.

You may not agree with my take, but it doesnt rise to the level of this thread taking a sharp turn anywhere near preposterous.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:Kawhi is a SF

Giddy plays PG for his team

I know. I see a chemistry problem, their games are so similar. If we got Kawhi, Randle would not be the right option at PF IMO. We would need a big who doesnt touch the ball as much. Obi (if he keeps progressing) would be a better fit. With Lonzo's ability to find cutting teammates.

Think we could better use the cap space to keep most of the rotation we have.

As I said about Giddey, it was a quick look. I see more of a point forward (in a pinch) in the NBA.

Use cap space on Kawhi or keep the rotation players we have right now would not have been the turning point I would have imagined the thread to reach.

Wouldnt have imagined this conversation taking such a douchey turn Martin. WTF?

Randle is 3 years younger, more durable, better orchestrator. All Star. How did the Clips do last playoffs? Did Kawhi put them over the top? The rotation we have, with the addition of Ball, and another difference maker, might be good enough to challenge a Nets squad that has a lot of trouble staying on the court for very long.

Maxing out Kawhi when he's pushing 30 is not a good idea. Doubt he will come to NY for just a couple of years, at 30. Might be his last big payday.

Melo wasnt on Kawhi's level. But that near max re-up, and the injuries, cost us. Dont want to see it happen again.

Oh yeah, how did it become douchey?

Or did you expect that making the type of statement that you did can’t be brought to light or questioned?

Kawhi or resign who with cap space? Burks, Bullock, Rose, Frank, Noel, Taj? Who?

And why do you think that just because Kawhi didn’t carry his team to finals last year - as he had done just the previous year for a ring - diminishes him as one of the best 2-way players in the league?

Do not deny your douchery sir. It is unbecoming.

Suggesting that I made a thread altering comment.

Look at how you keep framing my statement.

"Role players or Kawhi" pure douchery!

You're leaving out that I dont believe Randle will work with Kawhi. Which means its more like Kawhi and role players vs a younger Randle and a better supporting cast. Because Kawhi will be more expensive. Keep the best players in the rotation. Add Lonzo, maybe another good player. Already explained why Im against what likely could mean a max deal for Kawhi.

You may not agree with my take, but it doesnt rise to the level of this thread taking a sharp turn anywhere near preposterous.

I find it more idiotic than preposterous. I don't think there would be any GM in the league that would agree with your take.

And yes you did absolutely suggest that using the cap space on resigning current roster was better spent than on Kawhi, regardless of your thoughts on Randle and Kawhi sharing the court at the same time. Let us know if you still hold to that.

Not idiotic at 30 years old, with all the wear and tear on his body. Its like you were in a self induced coma, for every max deal the Knicks gave to a player on the wrong side of 30, with too much wear and tear on his body.

Randle is playing at a high level. High enough for you not to sound so high and mighty. How is RJ doing these days genius?

Kawhi with max years, max dollars, at his age, and mileage. Would likely cost us in missed games. Diminishing returns as the seasons go by. Knicks dont have to sign aging stars to max deals anymore.

Sure Kawhi is playing at a high level now. So were the other aging stars we signed to max deals at the time. Hope Rose doesnt repeat the mistakes of his predecessors.

xavier wrote:I think the chances of Kawhi leaving LA are almost nil so all of this is hypothetical anyway, but it’s fascinating to me that there is someone who thinks we don’t need Kawhi.

He’s actually rich man’s Jimmy Butler. Imagine him under Thibs.

Agree. There is zero chance A. Kawhi leaves LA and B he comes to the Knicks.

Think different points are being argued. Think it is a valid point to be concerned with Kahwi being over 30 and that we would need to have a valid plan as to who would be a good fit with him. Also understand fans fear of Knicks past luck with high priced FAs. However, despite those concerns feel that "IF" there was a chance to sign Kawhi, you absolutely take it. No matter what the casualties of our current FA resigning's are. Kawhi has proved for years that he can take a decent team to the finals. He is and has been a different level player. Probably one of the best in the world. If you look at last year in the bubble year, the Clips were still ranked 2nd in offense and 5th in defense. Despite playing in a tough West. They were beat by a hot Nuggets team in a seventh game where Murray went 'god mode". Not to mention that I feel PG is not a good fit along side him. Nor was their roster well put together. As it also lacked chemistry. Passing up on Kahwi would be like passing up on LBJ last year because of same concerns.

With that said. Considering the thread topic is about"Lonzo being the answer", don't see a problem saying that he is not and we should stick with what we have, move up in draft and wait for a true difference maker. But again "IF" Kahwi is available and willing, feel he is exactly that. IMO

I’d like to take flyers on guys I liked in college. Justice Winslow. Cam Reddish. Willie Cauley-Stein. These guys haven’t been doing so well at the NBA level but still get after it on D. Not sure about the injury concerns. But would love to see what this coaching staff can do here. Probably a hard sell since it would hard work to get them into the rotation.

Wouldn’t be surprised if we tried to sign Evan Fournier. I don’t really think Kawhi is coming to NY. Kelly Oubre is another strong defensive option. His lack of of a 3 overshadows his D. I note that the Ws wouldn’t accept a Ball for Oubre trade.

Ball
Barrett
Fournier and/or Oubre
Randle
Robinson

Resign Rose, Gibson, Noel and Bullock

You still have draft picks and have the rights to FN if you make a QO to him.

I’m not against resigning Payton. But I think it has to be Payton or Rose.

GustavBahler wrote:Sure Kawhi is playing at a high level now. So were the other aging stars we signed to max deals at the time. Hope Rose doesnt repeat the mistakes of his predecessors.

Who exactly were those stars?

Because I don’t remember a single star like that coming to NY. The biggest star was Amare who came because no other team wanted to give him a guaranteed contract.

We didn’t have a player of Kawhi caliber since Ewing.

Kudos to Melo and Randle, but they're not even close to that class.

GustavBahler wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:I am pretty much all in on Lonzo.

I’d like to take flyers on guys I liked in college. Justice Winslow. Cam Reddish. Willie Cauley-Stein. These guys haven’t been doing so well at the NBA level but still get after it on D. Not sure about the injury concerns. But would love to see what this coaching staff can do here. Probably a hard sell since it would hard work to get them into the rotation.

Wouldn’t be surprised if we tried to sign Evan Fournier. I don’t really think Kawhi is coming to NY. Kelly Oubre is another strong defensive option. His lack of of a 3 overshadows his D. I note that the Ws wouldn’t accept a Ball for Oubre trade.

Ball
Barrett
Fournier and/or Oubre
Randle
Robinson

Resign Rose, Gibson, Noel and Bullock

You still have draft picks and have the rights to FN if you make a QO to him.

I’m not against resigning Payton. But I think it has to be Payton or Rose.

No Burks? I want to upgrade the position as well. But Burks would really help solidify the second unit.

Burks you keep around. He’s always going to be a good jump shooter off the bench

So, hopefully we can get him in Free Agency.

We do need a shooter at SG or SF with RJ, probably not a big name but still makes high impact on his us.

The way Thibs has us playing defense, Ball opening the game for others and a new starting scoring SF could really have us comfortable in playoff contention for many years.

smackeddog wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:So, some players are pipe dreams. Some could be attainable, like the guy originally this thread was about.

So, hopefully we can get him in Free Agency.

We do need a shooter at SG or SF with RJ, probably not a big name but still makes high impact on his us.

The way Thibs has us playing defense, Ball opening the game for others and a new starting scoring SF could really have us comfortable in playoff contention for many years.

I was hoping we could sign Gary Trent Jr, but don’t think he’s an option now he’s been traded to the raptors