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Jmpasq
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2/7/2021  10:47 AM
knicks1248 wrote:Why are people worried about trading a player that never gets PT.

Frank has no future with the knicks that's clearly obvious,

Everybody knows Thibs loves his vets and he's a defense first coach.

Im worried about bringing Rose in not trading Frank. He will destroy the chemistry of this team. If we give up a draft pick im going to lose my fing mind

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2/7/2021  10:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/7/2021  10:51 AM
MS wrote:That’s 100 percent the issue.

We need shooting and wing help. Payton is better than Rose and Quickly is better than both of them. So why take away minutes if you’re sacrifice shooting and defense.

Rose get to the rim, but does nothing else well. It’s a classic Knicks lateral trade that doesn’t make sense.

If you want to tell me it’s Frank, our second round pick this year for Rose and Bay, let’s go. Throw DSJR in that package too. We need a wing that can shoot and defend. No rentals, just assets.

That’s how I feel. If it was for a shooter I’m all for it. It’s not about Frank because I know he has no future here. The fact is Rose make no sense other than Thibs wants His guys. I’m also getting afraid that the Knicks are going to throw in a pick as well. I’m pretty sure Detroit wants their second rounder back otherwise this trade would have went down already . If the Knicks do that I will be pissed. Either way the acquisition of Rose makes no sense. He doesn’t help in fact he hurts us on defense and even on offense he doesn’t bring that much anymore
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2/7/2021  11:01 AM
Jmpasq wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Why are people worried about trading a player that never gets PT.

Frank has no future with the knicks that's clearly obvious,

Everybody knows Thibs loves his vets and he's a defense first coach.

Im worried about bringing Rose in not trading Frank. He will destroy the chemistry of this team. If we give up a draft pick im going to lose my fing mind

Why would the knicks include a draft pick unless they planning on resigning him. Perhaps they can get more than just Rose.

As far as chemistry, Rose is avg almost 5 assist and has never in his entire career been considered a selfish player.

I actually would love to see a IQ/Rose speedy back court off the bench.

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2/7/2021  12:03 PM
This looks like a stupid trade
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2/7/2021  12:07 PM
wargames wrote:This looks like a stupid trade
Absolutely. No upgrade plus you get worse defensively
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2/7/2021  12:13 PM
Is this a case of making Thibs happy? Maybe he feels Rose can be a mentor, a voice in the locker room to back him up?

Or maybe Rose can invite the young players over to his place to pull a train.
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2/7/2021  12:24 PM
Has to be more to it than Rose. If the goal is to strengthen the bench even though IQ already fills what Rose would bring. Can we open this up to include Grant .

Obi, Burks, Frank, Knox, rights to Detroit's 2nd back for Rose & Grant?

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2/7/2021  12:26 PM
Being upset about trading Frank is valid, as we have seen through many years how his value as an asset has decreased to this point. The fact that Thibs looked on paper like the best chance to turn Frank into a rotation player and has resulted in banishment adds more frustration. Not that Frank is blameless in all of this, but it’s frustrating that he will end up being traded, a young asset, traded for a washed up veteran with a tumultuous history in NY only because the coach loves him.

Not to mention how badly this can affect two other youngsters: Knox and Quick. Supposedly Detroit wants Knox as well and if NY does that move they will have killed any good Will their recent moves have earned. Not only that, but watch Thibs bury Quick with Rose and Payton here.

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2/7/2021  12:39 PM
Maybe Quick starts, Rose backs him up...........
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2/7/2021  12:40 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Why are people worried about trading a player that never gets PT.

Frank has no future with the knicks that's clearly obvious,

Everybody knows Thibs loves his vets and he's a defense first coach.

Im worried about bringing Rose in not trading Frank. He will destroy the chemistry of this team. If we give up a draft pick im going to lose my fing mind

Why would the knicks include a draft pick unless they planning on resigning him. Perhaps they can get more than just Rose.

As far as chemistry, Rose is avg almost 5 assist and has never in his entire career been considered a selfish player.

I actually would love to see a IQ/Rose speedy back court off the bench.


I don't know. I remember Rose as Knick. He was definitely ball dominant and selfish. I remember plenty of games where KP was alone at the top of the key and Rose ignored him to throw up some junk. I'd rather take a chance on Redick and I know that's a risky deal also.
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2/7/2021  12:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/7/2021  12:41 PM
Knicksfan wrote:Being upset about trading Frank is valid, as we have seen through many years how his value as an asset has decreased to this point. The fact that Thibs looked on paper like the best chance to turn Frank into a rotation player and has resulted in banishment adds more frustration. Not that Frank is blameless in all of this, but it’s frustrating that he will end up being traded, a young asset, traded for a washed up veteran with a tumultuous history in NY only because the coach loves him.

Not to mention how badly this can affect two other youngsters: Knox and Quick. Supposedly Detroit wants Knox as well and if NY does that move they will have killed any good Will their recent moves have earned. Not only that, but watch Thibs bury Quick with Rose and Payton here.

Yeah look despite being a fan of Frank’s I’ve known this is the end of the line for Frank in NY so that’s not the issue. The problem is We know what Rose is. We went through this a few years back. Sure he might have done game here and there where he has a big offensive games BUT he is atrocious defensively and he really doesn’t help players around him. He isn’t going to give us a jump to the playoffs not at this point in his career. I like the chemistry we have right now
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2/7/2021  1:00 PM
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wargames wrote:This looks like a stupid trade
Absolutely. No upgrade plus you get worse defensively

Yeah even if it’s straight swap with Payton I’m not sure his offense(that has been pretty inefficient this season) is worth the cost of a worse defense. Payton hasn’t been perfect on D but I can count on him to stay in front of his man.

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2/7/2021  1:00 PM
Nalod wrote:Maybe Quick starts, Rose backs him up...........

Sure, that’s why Thibs has been playing him less minutes, because he is about to make him his starter. Especially with Thibs history with Rose, Payton still here and Thibs’ preference on veterans.

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2/7/2021  1:01 PM
Great!
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2/7/2021  1:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/7/2021  1:05 PM
TPercy wrote:Great!
no not great. We are giving up draft picks. If The Knicks gave Detroit their second back they got fleeced
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2/7/2021  1:08 PM
Draft compensation? Wtf
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2/7/2021  1:08 PM
TPercy wrote:Great!

It depends on the draft compensation. Our team is not in the position to be giving up draft picks when no good player ever wants to sign with us.
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2/7/2021  1:10 PM
Knicksfan wrote:Draft compensation? Wtf
It better be a 2024/25 second or something like that. Look I’ve praised Thibs this year but this is all on him. Rose/Perry should have put their foot down if draft picks were involved. I won’t be surprised if we are trading back their second rounder which will be 31-32 in a deep draft class
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2/7/2021  1:10 PM
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TPercy wrote:Great!
no not great. We are giving up draft picks. If The Knicks gave Detroit their second back they got fleeced

Again, I have no issue trading DSJ, I just don't want to do it for Rose. The fit makes no sense. We need a shooter and they're getting back a short slasher.

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2/7/2021  1:13 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
TPercy wrote:Great!
no not great. We are giving up draft picks. If The Knicks gave Detroit their second back they got fleeced

No I completely agree I was being very sarcastic lol

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