newyorknewyork wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Briggs when Ahmaud Aubrey was chased down and shot while jogging. Why was nobody charged for months until protest made it national news? And only after that did it lead to a charge and conviction. If it was worthy of charge and conviction why did it take protest national attention and re-looking into the case after months avoidance?

If there was no protest would Ahmaud Aubrey's life and death have mattered to anyone but his family and friends? Would justice have been served? Because it seems to me that with no protest no justice would have been served because Aubrey's life wouldn't have mattered enough to have done the right thing without pressure. If it was Cannon though instead of Aurbrey. Would it have taken protest for the right thing to have been done?

Shot=gun
Shot=gun

Guns are the problem
Police reform is the problem
No one is devaluing black lives

The police dept is in great need of a modern overhaul. I’d like to see police officers who don’t carry guns— only special units.

They chased him down because he was black in a neighborhood they didn't believe he belonged in. That was what initiated the incident. Talking about guns is only used to avoid accountability towards racial motives as per usual. The motive behind attempting to avoid charging these men was because they only killed a black man and they valued the life of the former detective and his son over his. Racism is whats causing the push for reform.

Ran from this one I see.

BRIGGS wrote:By the way
300 black folk died by way of police force last Year of the 1000 total.
It certainly is an issue— we don’t need police killing anyone intimidating anyone bullying anyone
But it’s not just a black folks problem. It’s highlighted that way but it’s a very very small nothingness of 330 mm people? We need reasonable change— we don’t need to be burning down buildings and looting businesses

"Riots is the voice of the unheard" MLK. For decades, we have prominent black men such as MLK, Medgar Evers and Fred Hampton lead peaceful marches, had peaceful sit-ins, and have had peaceful boycotts and the results were still the same. All were assassinated by law enforcement! We've taken knees and the marches continue to raise awareness on social injustice, but still, unarmed black men, women and children are under assault. RIOTS, are a way to get the attention of the oppressor! Because, like you, people are not listening!

Breanna Stewart, Philando Castille, Stephon Clark, Sandra Bland, Alton Sterling, Michelle Cusseaux, Freddie Gray, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice....etc. I will stop here, but I can go on. Every single name I just mentioned were unarmed and murdered by police officers.

You asked how are black lives devalued? None of the officers who murdered the black men, women and children that I named, are sitting in a prison right now. And thats just the tip of the iceberg in terms of how black lives are devalued.

smackeddog wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:I do believe there are many facets to the problem with these reoccurring unjust shootings... yes, non-compliance and guns make a complex situation worse/scarier... but at the end of the day, white people seem to repeatedly receive a benefit of the doubt in many situations that they are not even aware of. I believe this to be true because I've been fortunate to have AA friends that are honest with me. Most POC recognize it on a daily basis - so much that there seems no choice but to simply digest/accept it as it involves most aspects of daily life.

Some suggesting removing guns would fix the problem - I believe there would just be more beatings and slightly less deaths as a result. I guess if there was a pie chart I would think guns would be a sliver, but this is not school shootings where eliminating guns could significantly makes the problem/lethality better (and without addressing mental health there would probably be more knife attacks, school bombs, etc)...

Only plan I can see really making a significant difference is if the NBA and rich people put pressure to change laws as reasoning with idiots seems pointless. Ideology/racism is usually deep rooted so the potential for change through protesting can be long-term. Changing laws and letting the idiots freak out seems a more effective way. And I'm a big believer that the pendulum has to swing all the way to the other side for real/long-lasting change to occur...

For me, one of the many issues isn't even gun related- there is a truly toxic culture among many cops, whereby they lie and cover for each other no matter what (even murder). In my profession, as with all professions, we have an ethical and professional duty to report malpractice, I cannot conceive of a situation where I'd watch a colleague kill someone then lie for them- it's truly bizarre behaviour and it has deadly consequences- it creates a toxic culture that fosters corruption, gross incompetence, and abuse. The constant bare faced lying, and media 'leaks' where their first instinct is to slander the victim, has to stop and is the easiest thing to stop.

That's a very solid point and IMO - a bigger sliver of this problem than guns. Fixing accountability seems to be more likely to positively influence this problem vs trying to convince incompetents and/or clueless racists that they should change their ways

BRIGGS wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:By the way
300 black folk died by way of police force last Year of the 1000 total.
It certainly is an issue— we don’t need police killing anyone intimidating anyone bullying anyone
But it’s not just a black folks problem. It’s highlighted that way but it’s a very very small nothingness of 330 mm people? We need reasonable change— we don’t need to be burning down buildings and looting businesses

"Riots is the voice of the unheard" MLK. For decades, we have prominent black men such as MLK, Medgar Evers and Fred Hampton lead peaceful marches, had peaceful sit-ins, and have had peaceful boycotts and the results were still the same. All were assassinated by law enforcement! We've taken knees and the marches continue to raise awareness on social injustice, but still, unarmed black men, women and children are under assault. RIOTS, are a way to get the attention of the oppressor! Because, like you, people are not listening!

Breanna Stewart, Philando Castille, Stephon Clark, Sandra Bland, Alton Sterling, Michelle Cusseaux, Freddie Gray, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice....etc. I will stop here, but I can go on. Every single name I just mentioned were unarmed and murdered by police officers.

You asked how are black lives devalued? None of the officers who murdered the black men, women and children that I named, are sitting in a prison right now. And thats just the tip of the iceberg in terms of how black lives are devalued.

Uptown 230 black folk died via the police of 1000 overall last year. Like I said we can easily do better as a society we need police reform but on a % basis this is a statistical nothing.

it represents twice what their representation by population is. That's 200%. So you are utterly ****ing wrong on that and I don't know how you can come back from it

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:By the way
300 black folk died by way of police force last Year of the 1000 total.
It certainly is an issue— we don’t need police killing anyone intimidating anyone bullying anyone
But it’s not just a black folks problem. It’s highlighted that way but it’s a very very small nothingness of 330 mm people? We need reasonable change— we don’t need to be burning down buildings and looting businesses

"Riots is the voice of the unheard" MLK. For decades, we have prominent black men such as MLK, Medgar Evers and Fred Hampton lead peaceful marches, had peaceful sit-ins, and have had peaceful boycotts and the results were still the same. All were assassinated by law enforcement! We've taken knees and the marches continue to raise awareness on social injustice, but still, unarmed black men, women and children are under assault. RIOTS, are a way to get the attention of the oppressor! Because, like you, people are not listening!

Breanna Stewart, Philando Castille, Stephon Clark, Sandra Bland, Alton Sterling, Michelle Cusseaux, Freddie Gray, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice....etc. I will stop here, but I can go on. Every single name I just mentioned were unarmed and murdered by police officers.

You asked how are black lives devalued? None of the officers who murdered the black men, women and children that I named, are sitting in a prison right now. And thats just the tip of the iceberg in terms of how black lives are devalued.

Uptown 230 black folk died via the police of 1000 overall last year. Like I said we can easily do better as a society we need police reform but on a % basis this is a statistical nothing.

it represents twice what their representation by population is. That's 200%. So you are utterly ****ing wrong on that and I don't know how you can come back from it

200 deaths out of 40-50 mm people is a statistical nothing. It’s being sensationalized out of control. We need less guns in society. We need police reform. But society is not going out of whack

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:By the way
300 black folk died by way of police force last Year of the 1000 total.
It certainly is an issue— we don’t need police killing anyone intimidating anyone bullying anyone
But it’s not just a black folks problem. It’s highlighted that way but it’s a very very small nothingness of 330 mm people? We need reasonable change— we don’t need to be burning down buildings and looting businesses

"Riots is the voice of the unheard" MLK. For decades, we have prominent black men such as MLK, Medgar Evers and Fred Hampton lead peaceful marches, had peaceful sit-ins, and have had peaceful boycotts and the results were still the same. All were assassinated by law enforcement! We've taken knees and the marches continue to raise awareness on social injustice, but still, unarmed black men, women and children are under assault. RIOTS, are a way to get the attention of the oppressor! Because, like you, people are not listening!

Breanna Stewart, Philando Castille, Stephon Clark, Sandra Bland, Alton Sterling, Michelle Cusseaux, Freddie Gray, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice....etc. I will stop here, but I can go on. Every single name I just mentioned were unarmed and murdered by police officers.

You asked how are black lives devalued? None of the officers who murdered the black men, women and children that I named, are sitting in a prison right now. And thats just the tip of the iceberg in terms of how black lives are devalued.

Preach

We are way over due on modern police reform

We fix these two issues— were a much better society.

BRIGGS wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:Briggs - saying that % is small is saying "it's not important" or "it really doesn't matter" in the big picture to POC... not saying that is your intention but think of a person who has been/felt victimized most of their lives... or someone who lost someone to a unjust police shooting... I'm white too and realize it can be hard to understand a very different perspective but you really have to keep trying - that's a big part of the outrage - being heard, understood and validated.

I asked who devalues black life? I don’t know one person— no one devalues black life. It’s just as important as any life. I don’t even realize the movement because I see people as a whole. The whole has continually done better and will continue. We have a great free nation. We have our issues but nothing we can get past.

Yikes- you do! Who would be more likely to encounter racism against black people? A white person such as yourself, or an actual black person? Why would someone be racist against a black person to you? Of course you're unlikely to encounter it first hand. I don't understand how you can watch the news, or any other media, read history or listen to any black persons lived experience and honestly believe NO ONE devalues black life- I'm stuck for words

BigDaddyG wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:And I’m done talking on this
No one devalues black lives
We have very serious gun control issues in the us— we do

We are way over due on modern police reform

We fix these two issues— were a much better society.

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If everyone else sees there is an issue and you don't see it, maybe you're the one who's not seeing the bigger picture?

The first thing I said when I saw Jacob shot was this is murder. That police officer committed a murderous act.

I’m against guns— have been all of my life. I hate them. They are a big root cause of many issues including what people say is racism. If we removed so many of the guns in the world -/ If we modernized policing policies— our society as a whole would benefit. I don’t want to marginalize anything— that was never my point. If I believe society as whole than I cannot believe in the term racism. I don’t value anyone less or more.

BRIGGS wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:And I’m done talking on this
No one devalues black lives
We have very serious gun control issues in the us— we do

We are way over due on modern police reform

We fix these two issues— were a much better society.

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If everyone else sees there is an issue and you don't see it, maybe you're the one who's not seeing the bigger picture?

The first thing I said when I saw Jacob shot was this is murder. That police officer committed a murderous act.

I’m against guns— have been all of my life. I hate them. They are a big root cause of many issues including what people say is racism. If we removed so many of the guns in the world -/ If we modernized policing policies— our society as a whole would benefit. I don’t want to marginalize anything— that was never my point. If I believe society as whole than I cannot believe in the term racism. I don’t value anyone less or more.

What people say is racism?! WTF does that mean?! Are you saying there is no such thing as racism?! Are you saying if we remove all guns, we remove all racism?! Do you really believe that? If so, respectfully, the rhetoric you are spewing in this thread is something that Archie Bunker would have read off of his script....

I say it again, removing all guns will NOT fix racial inequality, its not going to spark criminal justice reform, its not going to end systemic racism, its not going to end police brutality, its not going to fix the unequal and broken educational system, its not going to remove hatred from the hearts of an ignorant racist...

BigDaddyG wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:And I’m done talking on this
No one devalues black lives
We have very serious gun control issues in the us— we do

We are way over due on modern police reform

We fix these two issues— were a much better society.

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If everyone else sees there is an issue and you don't see it, maybe you're the one who's not seeing the bigger picture?

He refused to answer if the question if it was Cannon instead of Breonna what he thought the outcome would be. He does see it, he just chooses to ignore it. Just like he chose to ignore the racism involved in Aubrey's case. To him if he doesn't speak on it or acknowledge it then its not real.