Nalod wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

smackeddog wrote:But... but.. I thought it was all Fiz's fault?!

Mills.

Game was awful. My TV turned itself off and I did not set the timer. It could not bear it.
Even Melo was awful. I wanted to see him do well and Knicks Win. Instead he stunk and we still got blown out. LIllard is a killer. Frank was on him and this kid still hits what he puts up. Great player! Berman's Olshy link was weak this mornining. We gonna see a lot of this.

Perry, but maybe it's Frank!

2 steals and a block? 3 of 4 from 3? What did you want? 30-10-10? The Knicks stunk it up, not Melo. He had a bad first half. Too bad for him he finally got on a team when he's 35.

My goodness your MeloSensitive! The hype of his resurgence and i wanted to see him play good. I saw 5-13 and 3 turn overs. Some good moves to the basket. Not great, not awful and his team blew us out. Relax.

Edit: To be fair I fell asleep in the 3rd quarter and mostly based on the box score and what I saw. Are Melo fans that MeloCentric that a win by 30 and he has a bad game not as important as if he had a good game and lost?

Hype??? If Frankie was named Eastern Conference Player of the Week, would you be pissing on rainman in 4 different threads or not? Be fair now. People would be telling you to relax.

Just trolling facts, right? Saying Melo stunk when he didn't (even though his best play came during garbage time) is just a leetle too much MeloHate. +21 in a blowout against the worst team in the solar system. Time to leave the hate behind. Melo is happy and reflective. Good for him.

McCullom and Dame are stinking frightening. Whiteside 5 blocks a game! What the hell is it with Melo joining teams and that team's glue guy goes down for the season? Hood in Portland and Roberson in OKC. Andre's still out rehabbing!

Nalod wrote:

franco12 wrote:it was a better game in some ways- they did try to attack the rim in that first quarter - but Lillard was out of his mind, hitting everything even if contested. And then we couldn't hit anything- no one could - not morris, not anyone even if wide open.

And it kinda did change with DSjr coming in to the game! He is putrid right now. If you watched him play last night and pretty much anytime this season, no way would you think he was drafted. Something is not right with him.

He was to have lost weight, but he does not look that great. To me he looks like a guy whose back is not 100% and he has no lift/explosiveness.
Looks like a guy who had surgery and needs a season to get it back. Im guessing like the rest of you. Team extended him. He looks like a player that is one step out of the league. I'll go on theory they playing him back into shape or something to that level until I read otherwise.
Logic says one thing. Eye test tells me another. Knicks and Logic are not really something that goes hand in hand.

Here is the thing.... Did you see the whole game? Saw a few different things than most. Most that had nothing to do with Smith Jr. Think the narrative from the peanut gallery, not saying its you, seems to be now be switching to another scapegoat as the reason we suck. Funny thing its seems to be a guy that has hardly played. Grant it its someone that looks like a NY stray dog with his tail between his legs. Which seems understandable after being booed and wrote about negatively in the media until ALL confidence was gone. Fact is Dennis was getting to the basket last night. Missed three or four shots that rolled in an out. Did play well on defense and some may even say did a better job on Lillard than others. He was -8 in 13 while our defensive guy Frank was -21 in 17.
But most seem to have the bulls eye on him. Grant it, he has not played well and I agree he looks lost. But lets not act like EVERY player on this team is not lost. How did Knox look? Barrett was 1 for 9. Frank was 1 for 5.Dotson and Payton shot 28 and 25%

Question is, how does a young asset come here and totally lose all confidence and playing ability?
A kid who averaged close to 15 and 5 his first two years? Are we going to do what everyone seems to be conditioned to do, which is place NO blame on this **** ass organization? Is that why so many other players are looking like they are also regressing?

The biggest issue in case anyone missed it, is that we CANT FUCKING SHOOT. In case anyone has noticed, we have not had ANYONE that can shoot in many years. Yet NO ONE is blaming the Knicks brass for bringing even more guys that CANT shoot. You would think that that we could have picked up a few free agents that had a reasonable 3pt. percentage? Morris was good but who else? Strange considering that is what today's NBA requires. It a joke man. Another thing is how do we say we are committed to rebuilding and developing young assets yet sign on two PG's that are OK at best and let SG's play the point so as to take Frank's and Smith development minutes? Real vote of confidence for them. Then Sign Ellington to take Trier and Dotson's minutes. Sign dozens of 4's and 5's to take Knox's and Robinson's minutes. Make Randle, a guy that passes every leap year, the focus point of the offense? Real development stuff.

But I guess everyone is right. Its the coach and Smith Jr.'s fault.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

franco12 wrote:it was a better game in some ways- they did try to attack the rim in that first quarter - but Lillard was out of his mind, hitting everything even if contested. And then we couldn't hit anything- no one could - not morris, not anyone even if wide open.

And it kinda did change with DSjr coming in to the game! He is putrid right now. If you watched him play last night and pretty much anytime this season, no way would you think he was drafted. Something is not right with him.

He was to have lost weight, but he does not look that great. To me he looks like a guy whose back is not 100% and he has no lift/explosiveness.
Looks like a guy who had surgery and needs a season to get it back. Im guessing like the rest of you. Team extended him. He looks like a player that is one step out of the league. I'll go on theory they playing him back into shape or something to that level until I read otherwise.
Logic says one thing. Eye test tells me another. Knicks and Logic are not really something that goes hand in hand.

Here is the thing.... Did you see the whole game? Saw a few different things than most. Most that had nothing to do with Smith Jr. Think the narrative from the peanut gallery, not saying its you, seems to be now be switching to another scapegoat as the reason we suck. Funny thing its seems to be a guy that has hardly played. Grant it its someone that looks like a NY stray dog with his tail between his legs. Which seems understandable after being booed and wrote about negatively in the media until ALL confidence was gone. Fact is Dennis was getting to the basket last night. Missed three or four shots that rolled in an out. Did play well on defense and some may even say did a better job on Lillard than others. He was -8 in 13 while our defensive guy Frank was -21 in 17.
But most seem to have the bulls eye on him. Grant it, he has not played well and I agree he looks lost. But lets not act like EVERY player on this team is not lost. How did Knox look? Barrett was 1 for 9. Frank was 1 for 5.Dotson and Payton shot 28 and 25%

Question is, how does a young asset come here and totally lose all confidence and playing ability?
A kid who averaged close to 15 and 5 his first two years? Are we going to do what everyone seems to be conditioned to do, which is place NO blame on this **** ass organization? Is that why so many other players are looking like they are also regressing?

The biggest issue in case anyone missed it, is that we CANT FUCKING SHOOT. In case anyone has noticed, we have not had ANYONE that can shoot in many years. Yet NO ONE is blaming the Knicks brass for bringing even more guys that CANT shoot. You would think that that we could have picked up a few free agents that had a reasonable 3pt. percentage? Morris was good but who else? Strange considering that is what today's NBA requires. It a joke man. Another thing is how do we say we are committed to rebuilding and developing young assets yet sign on two PG's that are OK at best and let SG's play the point so as to take Frank's and Smith development minutes? Real vote of confidence for them. Then Sign Ellington to take Trier and Dotson's minutes. Sign dozens of 4's and 5's to take Knox's and Robinson's minutes. Make Randle, a guy that passes every leap year, the focus point of the offense? Real development stuff.

But I guess everyone is right. Its the coach and Smith Jr.'s fault.

I don't think anyone is saying it's DSJr's fault but he is an easy target to pick out as under performing by a long shot.

The whole team can't shoot. Add to the below that Portis, Randle, Ellington, DSJr were known for their offensive output (much more than defense) and they are ALL way under performing their career numbers. Dot is supposed to be a shooter and he is not shooting well.

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I recall Portis being open at the 3point line in either the 3r or 4th and being guarded by McCollum who was about 5 feet away... as Portis went into the shooting motion, McCollum literally turned his back, no defensive approach at all. If the reverse were true (the Knicks guarding a player who was not a good 3point shooter), the Knicks would have fouled the guy.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

franco12 wrote:it was a better game in some ways- they did try to attack the rim in that first quarter - but Lillard was out of his mind, hitting everything even if contested. And then we couldn't hit anything- no one could - not morris, not anyone even if wide open.

And it kinda did change with DSjr coming in to the game! He is putrid right now. If you watched him play last night and pretty much anytime this season, no way would you think he was drafted. Something is not right with him.

He was to have lost weight, but he does not look that great. To me he looks like a guy whose back is not 100% and he has no lift/explosiveness.
Looks like a guy who had surgery and needs a season to get it back. Im guessing like the rest of you. Team extended him. He looks like a player that is one step out of the league. I'll go on theory they playing him back into shape or something to that level until I read otherwise.
Logic says one thing. Eye test tells me another. Knicks and Logic are not really something that goes hand in hand.

Here is the thing.... Did you see the whole game? Saw a few different things than most. Most that had nothing to do with Smith Jr. Think the narrative from the peanut gallery, not saying its you, seems to be now be switching to another scapegoat as the reason we suck. Funny thing its seems to be a guy that has hardly played. Grant it its someone that looks like a NY stray dog with his tail between his legs. Which seems understandable after being booed and wrote about negatively in the media until ALL confidence was gone. Fact is Dennis was getting to the basket last night. Missed three or four shots that rolled in an out. Did play well on defense and some may even say did a better job on Lillard than others. He was -8 in 13 while our defensive guy Frank was -21 in 17.
But most seem to have the bulls eye on him. Grant it, he has not played well and I agree he looks lost. But lets not act like EVERY player on this team is not lost. How did Knox look? Barrett was 1 for 9. Frank was 1 for 5.Dotson and Payton shot 28 and 25%

Question is, how does a young asset come here and totally lose all confidence and playing ability?
A kid who averaged close to 15 and 5 his first two years? Are we going to do what everyone seems to be conditioned to do, which is place NO blame on this **** ass organization? Is that why so many other players are looking like they are also regressing?

The biggest issue in case anyone missed it, is that we CANT FUCKING SHOOT. In case anyone has noticed, we have not had ANYONE that can shoot in many years. Yet NO ONE is blaming the Knicks brass for bringing even more guys that CANT shoot. You would think that that we could have picked up a few free agents that had a reasonable 3pt. percentage? Morris was good but who else? Strange considering that is what today's NBA requires. It a joke man. Another thing is how do we say we are committed to rebuilding and developing young assets yet sign on two PG's that are OK at best and let SG's play the point so as to take Frank's and Smith development minutes? Real vote of confidence for them. Then Sign Ellington to take Trier and Dotson's minutes. Sign dozens of 4's and 5's to take Knox's and Robinson's minutes. Make Randle, a guy that passes every leap year, the focus point of the offense? Real development stuff.

But I guess everyone is right. Its the coach and Smith Jr.'s fault.

I am hopeful Elf gets healthy and gives us some stable guard play. He's a stop gap type. Like when we had Jared Jack and he played well for like 6 games.

You got some posters here who clearly want to be right about "their guy" and get into all this stuff. Who cares if its Frank, Elf, Trier, DS.. we just need and hopefully all want some combo to step forward and just play better.

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

franco12 wrote:it was a better game in some ways- they did try to attack the rim in that first quarter - but Lillard was out of his mind, hitting everything even if contested. And then we couldn't hit anything- no one could - not morris, not anyone even if wide open.

And it kinda did change with DSjr coming in to the game! He is putrid right now. If you watched him play last night and pretty much anytime this season, no way would you think he was drafted. Something is not right with him.

He was to have lost weight, but he does not look that great. To me he looks like a guy whose back is not 100% and he has no lift/explosiveness.
Looks like a guy who had surgery and needs a season to get it back. Im guessing like the rest of you. Team extended him. He looks like a player that is one step out of the league. I'll go on theory they playing him back into shape or something to that level until I read otherwise.
Logic says one thing. Eye test tells me another. Knicks and Logic are not really something that goes hand in hand.

Here is the thing.... Did you see the whole game? Saw a few different things than most. Most that had nothing to do with Smith Jr. Think the narrative from the peanut gallery, not saying its you, seems to be now be switching to another scapegoat as the reason we suck. Funny thing its seems to be a guy that has hardly played. Grant it its someone that looks like a NY stray dog with his tail between his legs. Which seems understandable after being booed and wrote about negatively in the media until ALL confidence was gone. Fact is Dennis was getting to the basket last night. Missed three or four shots that rolled in an out. Did play well on defense and some may even say did a better job on Lillard than others. He was -8 in 13 while our defensive guy Frank was -21 in 17.
But most seem to have the bulls eye on him. Grant it, he has not played well and I agree he looks lost. But lets not act like EVERY player on this team is not lost. How did Knox look? Barrett was 1 for 9. Frank was 1 for 5.Dotson and Payton shot 28 and 25%

Question is, how does a young asset come here and totally lose all confidence and playing ability?
A kid who averaged close to 15 and 5 his first two years? Are we going to do what everyone seems to be conditioned to do, which is place NO blame on this **** ass organization? Is that why so many other players are looking like they are also regressing?

The biggest issue in case anyone missed it, is that we CANT FUCKING SHOOT. In case anyone has noticed, we have not had ANYONE that can shoot in many years. Yet NO ONE is blaming the Knicks brass for bringing even more guys that CANT shoot. You would think that that we could have picked up a few free agents that had a reasonable 3pt. percentage? Morris was good but who else? Strange considering that is what today's NBA requires. It a joke man. Another thing is how do we say we are committed to rebuilding and developing young assets yet sign on two PG's that are OK at best and let SG's play the point so as to take Frank's and Smith development minutes? Real vote of confidence for them. Then Sign Ellington to take Trier and Dotson's minutes. Sign dozens of 4's and 5's to take Knox's and Robinson's minutes. Make Randle, a guy that passes every leap year, the focus point of the offense? Real development stuff.

But I guess everyone is right. Its the coach and Smith Jr.'s fault.

Frank, DSjr and Elf are the biggest disappointments this season. At the root of our problem is bad guard play. No offensive creation, no easy shots, no structure, no fluidity... we can go on all day. They cant shoot. They cant make plays. We had a stretch of reasonable play from Frank, but its back to dismal. DSjr has been about as bad as you see NBA players play. Blame? Do we really care about that? We have young, allegedly talented guys playing REALLY poor and not progressing. That is the most alarming part of all of this and the first thing that needs correction.

I am hopeful Elf gets healthy and gives us some stable guard play. He's a stop gap type. Like when we had Jared Jack and he played well for like 6 games.

You got some posters here who clearly want to be right about "their guy" and get into all this stuff. Who cares if its Frank, Elf, Trier, DS.. we just need and hopefully all want some combo to step forward and just play better.

Agree. But do not think anyone can play better in this environment. Point was that its actually obvious who is to blame but we keep giving those responsible a pass and instead accept their many scapegoats. The FO is running this team like any two bit armchair fan. As we are now seeing there is,once again, no long term plan, no commitment to execution or follow through by the idiots that run the Knicks.
I am okay with draft picks not panning out. FA's not playing well but we keep excusing the lack of planning and groundhog day decision making that is causing this to take place year after year. How anyone thought it was our 12 coaches in the Dolan era is beyond me. It's hilarious that we are once again starting from scratch. Just see no end in site to this **** show. Thought they were getting closer last year. Playing young guys, no overpaid contracts and providing an environment for young kids to gain some confidence. This years off season moves were all just moves that resembled previous **** ups. Moves that were made with no regard for anything but public opinion.

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

franco12 wrote:it was a better game in some ways- they did try to attack the rim in that first quarter - but Lillard was out of his mind, hitting everything even if contested. And then we couldn't hit anything- no one could - not morris, not anyone even if wide open.

And it kinda did change with DSjr coming in to the game! He is putrid right now. If you watched him play last night and pretty much anytime this season, no way would you think he was drafted. Something is not right with him.

He was to have lost weight, but he does not look that great. To me he looks like a guy whose back is not 100% and he has no lift/explosiveness.
Looks like a guy who had surgery and needs a season to get it back. Im guessing like the rest of you. Team extended him. He looks like a player that is one step out of the league. I'll go on theory they playing him back into shape or something to that level until I read otherwise.
Logic says one thing. Eye test tells me another. Knicks and Logic are not really something that goes hand in hand.

Here is the thing.... Did you see the whole game? Saw a few different things than most. Most that had nothing to do with Smith Jr. Think the narrative from the peanut gallery, not saying its you, seems to be now be switching to another scapegoat as the reason we suck. Funny thing its seems to be a guy that has hardly played. Grant it its someone that looks like a NY stray dog with his tail between his legs. Which seems understandable after being booed and wrote about negatively in the media until ALL confidence was gone. Fact is Dennis was getting to the basket last night. Missed three or four shots that rolled in an out. Did play well on defense and some may even say did a better job on Lillard than others. He was -8 in 13 while our defensive guy Frank was -21 in 17.
But most seem to have the bulls eye on him. Grant it, he has not played well and I agree he looks lost. But lets not act like EVERY player on this team is not lost. How did Knox look? Barrett was 1 for 9. Frank was 1 for 5.Dotson and Payton shot 28 and 25%

Question is, how does a young asset come here and totally lose all confidence and playing ability?
A kid who averaged close to 15 and 5 his first two years? Are we going to do what everyone seems to be conditioned to do, which is place NO blame on this **** ass organization? Is that why so many other players are looking like they are also regressing?

The biggest issue in case anyone missed it, is that we CANT FUCKING SHOOT. In case anyone has noticed, we have not had ANYONE that can shoot in many years. Yet NO ONE is blaming the Knicks brass for bringing even more guys that CANT shoot. You would think that that we could have picked up a few free agents that had a reasonable 3pt. percentage? Morris was good but who else? Strange considering that is what today's NBA requires. It a joke man. Another thing is how do we say we are committed to rebuilding and developing young assets yet sign on two PG's that are OK at best and let SG's play the point so as to take Frank's and Smith development minutes? Real vote of confidence for them. Then Sign Ellington to take Trier and Dotson's minutes. Sign dozens of 4's and 5's to take Knox's and Robinson's minutes. Make Randle, a guy that passes every leap year, the focus point of the offense? Real development stuff.

But I guess everyone is right. Its the coach and Smith Jr.'s fault.

Frank, DSjr and Elf are the biggest disappointments this season. At the root of our problem is bad guard play. No offensive creation, no easy shots, no structure, no fluidity... we can go on all day. They cant shoot. They cant make plays. We had a stretch of reasonable play from Frank, but its back to dismal. DSjr has been about as bad as you see NBA players play. Blame? Do we really care about that? We have young, allegedly talented guys playing REALLY poor and not progressing. That is the most alarming part of all of this and the first thing that needs correction.

I am hopeful Elf gets healthy and gives us some stable guard play. He's a stop gap type. Like when we had Jared Jack and he played well for like 6 games.

You got some posters here who clearly want to be right about "their guy" and get into all this stuff. Who cares if its Frank, Elf, Trier, DS.. we just need and hopefully all want some combo to step forward and just play better.

Agree. But do not think anyone can play better in this environment. Point was that its actually obvious who is to blame but we keep giving those responsible a pass and instead accept their many scapegoats. The FO is running this team like any two bit armchair fan. As we are now seeing there is,once again, no long term plan, no commitment to execution or follow through by the idiots that run the Knicks.
I am okay with draft picks not panning out. FA's not playing well but we keep excusing the lack of planning and groundhog day decision making that is causing this to take place year after year. How anyone thought it was our 12 coaches in the Dolan era is beyond me. It's hilarious that we are once again starting from scratch. Just see no end in site to this **** show. Thought they were getting closer last year. Playing young guys, no overpaid contracts and providing an environment for young kids to gain some confidence. This years off season moves were all just moves that resembled previous **** ups. Moves that were made with no regard for anything but public opinion.

Nalod wrote:Jrod, really? Ok, Melo was awesome and lived up to the hype of his resurgence. He carried the team victoriously!
It was a great evening for Melo and his fans.

Happy?

Personally I thought he moved very well. His 3-4 from 3pt land was good. The rest was pretty bad actually. He had two steals on the same sequence. Frank made an awful pass. Frank should have been removed from the game and put on a box car to Westchester after the first half.

That's much better, thanks Nalod. Extra kudos for not using the word "fat".

I would hope the "Mecca" would at least provide a free Uber to get the Dawg to the GLeague.
His last game is not helping his case. Maybe he's trying to avoid upping his trade value?