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Do we still sign KD if he doesn't play in the Finals and he tore his calf muscle?
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6/11/2019  1:43 AM
NardDogNation wrote:
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TLover wrote:Torn calf better than torn Achilles.. hopefully it is neither

ruptured achilles i'd assume, but i would still would sign him. good will could go a long way.

At max? You'd be insane. Look at how that achilles injury changed guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Kobe Bryant and Elton Brand. If it is a tear, he'd have to come at a considerable discount. And even then, I'd feel we'd be better suited saving that money to pursue something with Giannis Antetokounmpo in 2 seasons.

KD dream is over, makes no sense for him to move to NY now that he's going to be a diminished player. Wisest decision for him and his career is to re-sign the full max with GS and have their medical team fired.

I agree. The only right thing for the Warriors to do after they messed up this badly is to sign him to a full max contract.

The problem isn't the Warriors. The problem is and always has been KD. He's too mentally-weak and that weakness clouded his judgment. Because at the end of the day, no one can force him to play. But he was so concerned with his image, legacy and what people might say that he allowed himself to be compromised.

Impressive, I didn’t know you worked for the Warriors and had all that insight. Or is it that you can read Durant’s mind? Otherwise it makes no sense to declare your opinion as a fact on things you weren’t a witness of.

...so if Durant didn't want to play, you think the Warriors could somehow compell him to? Have you been paying attention to this league? Or even this franchise? Jeremy Lin, as a Knick, made it public that he was about 85% healthy during the 2012 playoffs but elected not to play a single game to protect himself. It might have helped create some of the bad blood he encountered in negotiations with the team during free agency but when you're as good as Durant has been, teams are more accommodating of past ills (see Dan Gilbert making nice with LeBron in 2014).

Durant wanting to play is not the issue here. The reason why he might have wanted to play is also not the issue. Good teams should save the players from themselves. The Warriors did this exact thing for Klay in Game 3. They failed to do the same for KD with a more severe injury. I personally think it was an minor Achilles injury from the start. All the signs were there but people took the Warriors word for it when they said Calf injury because the organization is respected.

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6/11/2019  1:50 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/11/2019  1:56 AM
Clean wrote:
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knicks180nyc wrote:
TLover wrote:Torn calf better than torn Achilles.. hopefully it is neither

ruptured achilles i'd assume, but i would still would sign him. good will could go a long way.

At max? You'd be insane. Look at how that achilles injury changed guys like DeMarcus Cousins, Kobe Bryant and Elton Brand. If it is a tear, he'd have to come at a considerable discount. And even then, I'd feel we'd be better suited saving that money to pursue something with Giannis Antetokounmpo in 2 seasons.

KD dream is over, makes no sense for him to move to NY now that he's going to be a diminished player. Wisest decision for him and his career is to re-sign the full max with GS and have their medical team fired.

I agree. The only right thing for the Warriors to do after they messed up this badly is to sign him to a full max contract.

The problem isn't the Warriors. The problem is and always has been KD. He's too mentally-weak and that weakness clouded his judgment. Because at the end of the day, no one can force him to play. But he was so concerned with his image, legacy and what people might say that he allowed himself to be compromised.

Impressive, I didn’t know you worked for the Warriors and had all that insight. Or is it that you can read Durant’s mind? Otherwise it makes no sense to declare your opinion as a fact on things you weren’t a witness of.

...so if Durant didn't want to play, you think the Warriors could somehow compell him to? Have you been paying attention to this league? Or even this franchise? Jeremy Lin, as a Knick, made it public that he was about 85% healthy during the 2012 playoffs but elected not to play a single game to protect himself. It might have helped create some of the bad blood he encountered in negotiations with the team during free agency but when you're as good as Durant has been, teams are more accommodating of past ills (see Dan Gilbert making nice with LeBron in 2014).

Durant wanting to play is not the issue here. The reason why he might have wanted to play is also not the issue. Good teams should save the players from themselves. The Warriors did this exact thing for Klay in Game 3. They failed to do the same for KD with a more severe injury. I personally think it was an minor Achilles injury from the start. All the signs were there but people took the Warriors word for it when they said Calf injury because the organization is respected.

Teams routinely lie to the public about player injuries since that information only helps to put themselves at a disadvantage and to help their opponent to better prepare. I'm not sure why that is even an issue.

And no one would know more about Kevin Durant's body than Kevin Durant. Team doctors might have a say but they are only making recommendations as to what should be done regarding injuries. When the team doctor's for the Spurs diagnosed whatever was wrong with Kawhi, he elected not to follow their advice to return and instead sat out an entire season. That's the difference between a man who makes decisions for himself as opposed to a man whose decision-making is influenced by others.

I do wish Kevin well for whatever that is worth though. I'm not trying to "rub it in" or to kick him while he's down. It is what it is though.

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6/11/2019  2:08 AM
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Vmart wrote:I think KD could play in the finals if he really wanted to. These guys have Millions in line why risk it for a championship that you already won twice. I guess you can never be to set for life.

Any ways it’s seems greednof money may actually surpass the greed to win.

Can't believe there are so many articles, teammates and fans saying KD can/should play--you have no idea how severe his injury. Stuff like that is what turned Kawhi against the spurs

He should play his team needs him. As for severity everyone has their thresholds for pain. It’s been over a month now and strained muscles. Willis F’ing Reed came out the tunnel for his team.

He shouldn't risk his career and long term health--go ask grant Hill. These same people saying he should return despite having no idea as to the severity of his injury, are the same people who a week ago were saying they're a better team without him


. . . and kevin mchale.

I’m sorry I may be coming off as rude or insensitive but they get paid to play with guaranteed contracts. Injuries are freaky and it can happen anytime. It can happen in college or high school. Truth be told KD is financially set for this lifetime and beyond. As for Thomas and Hill they are well paid and like I said injuries are freaky can happen when ever. I don’t get the bubble wrap treatment especially for a strained muscle that has had well over a month to heal. For every Hill and Isaiah Thomas there the Jordan and The Isiah Thomas of Pistons.

so, if you were in his position: you're saying you would play?

I would play knowing I have a chance at a third championship. Michael Jordan would have played. LeBron would play. Scottie Pippen would have played. I question KD I question his will to want to win. I question him because he isn’t even sitting on the bench. There is a lot more going on with KD and GS than meets the eyes. It looks like his agent is making the call if he plays or not.

I'd rather take the $140mil and 4 more years of my career - if he re-signed with the warriors he'd have 4 more shots at a ring

Then you don’t love the game anymore.

maybe he loves his family and the unborn generations more than basketball. I don't fault you for playing but if I'm being real with myself, I would protect the generations. KD isn't going to be considered greater than LeBron, forget Jordan, so I would only go if I was ready. Also, I am not talking about yanking myself if I'm 85% like Jeremy Lin

This is the finals had ample amount of time to recover from a strained anything. KD isn’t cherishing the championship in my mind. I’m not say anyone of you guys are wrong. There are circumstances when I wouldn’t want a player to play if injured but I don’t think KD’s is a circumstance I agree with. He should have been back with his team and he should have been on the bench with them. The love of the game. KD is worried about money now so winning no longer a must.

Well, in he came. And there he went. I guess he just not as tough as Vmart.

Like I told you injuries are freaky and they could happen whenever. At least now you know he is damaged goods. Will fit right in with the Knicks.

Omg dude, are you even human? Wtf

Durant needed to play. It was for the psychological effects. This was Willis Reed like performance by KD.

Wow dude you really don’t get it. I think I now understand the reasons to have those “I’m not a robot” captcha some sites have.

I get it dude. I don’t wish injury on anyone. KD played because he was cleared by his team. Not by me but I truly believe he did the right thing by playing. Hindsight will always be 20/20. He will heal and come back just as good.

Now that we know it’s more Achilles related do the Knicks max him out. The Knicks have been in this situation and it almost always backfired. Will the Knicks invest and wait it out a year for his recovery.

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6/11/2019  2:12 AM
It looks bad now, but at least we have each other. We'll get through this just like we did last he Isaiah years.
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6/11/2019  3:45 AM
Knicks karma - Porzingis will come to msg and drop 100 on you
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6/11/2019  6:56 AM
The secretive nature of the injury and how it was handled it has led to this speculation.
GSW has a pretty good history of making the right decisions. Naturally the fingers of fans like to cast doubt and insinuate “if it were me”. It’s not you. It’s not even know how this decision was made and with what facts.
Quick to blame. Blame the “owner”, blame the league, blame the agent, blame the fans, blame the media and then blame the player. Blame his vanity because he cares too much about what others think of him? Thats a tall one. Blame his competitive spirit?

How about blame circumstance?

Should Warriors max him because its the “right thing”? Of course not. Durant has a contract and he can be paid to rehab. Thats fair. Really, its the morning after. If “it was me....” You’d let the process play out then make decisions on facts based on your values which drives emotions. Not media and not fans.

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6/11/2019  10:26 AM
Gudris wrote:Knicks karma - Porzingis will come to msg and drop 100 on you

M Robinson will stop that fool.

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6/11/2019  10:47 AM
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Gudris wrote:Knicks karma - Porzingis will come to msg and drop 100 on you

M Robinson will stop that fool.

I agree with you.

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6/11/2019  12:36 PM
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6/12/2019  2:42 AM
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Completely agree with him

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6/12/2019  5:38 AM
If I was in Perry’s shoes I’d recommend every player get a second opinion going forward. That’s good juju.
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6/12/2019  7:37 AM
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Completely agree with him

Same...

Do we still sign KD if he doesn't play in the Finals and he tore his calf muscle?

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