ESOMKnicks wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Never going to happen, which isn't a bad thing (I have fears of the Melo trade all over again).

Just out of interest, and assuming we could shift Lee in a separate deal, what would be the better trade, one centred around KP, or one centred around Knox and this years first?

So: KP+Tim Jr and whatever fo AD, then sign Irving in the offseason, giving you a team of:

C-AD
PF- whoever (maybe Zion if we got the first pick)
SF- Knox
SG- whoever (again maybe a player we draft)
PG- Irving

or a trade centred around Knox, this years first and Tim Jr or whatever salary, leaving you with:

C- AD
PF- KP
SF- maybe sign KD in the offseason
SG- whoever (Trier, Dotson)
PG- Mud/Frank

As the Knicks, if you can get AD without giving up a high first round pick, while keeping cap space for a max free agent this summer, you do it, though I do not think NOLA will. AD is a far superior centerpiece than KP. He scores like a lot more, rebounds a lot more, is a better and more willing passer, similar shotblocker. He may not have the same 3pt proficiency, but shoots a better effective percentage overall.
And this summer is when our centerpieces must get set, with max money going to KP, we will not have cap room for the next 4-5 years anyway.
I doubt KP and AD would mesh well on the same team. See the AD+Cousins experiment.

I feel the same way- I'd rather deal KP for AD and keep Knox and/or our first, as I think you can build a much better rounded team that fits together well.

ramtour420 wrote:Man this could really really screw us. Even if we don't trade for AD. Picture this: we offer KP and filler( because two of them on the same team is not balanced), the Pels turn it down and wait for the summer to get that Celtics offer, word becomes public that we offered KP in a trade , KP gets upset and leaves in free agency. Now THAT would suck!

this is why they wouldn't offer, they'd wait until Pelicans asked for him, then they can claim they refused.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:AD just came out and said its LA only for an extension.

NY is not in his thought process. Good News. Now we can keep building as planned. AD and Lebron wont get out of the Western Conference.

Jumping the gun slightly, tweets are he is likely to come out and say that. (says he'd just be a rental until 2020 with another team)

I say call his bluff. By 2020 Lebron will be a year older, they may have used up their cap space with a another big free agent. Would he risk the wrath of NY and the media by walking away? Would he walk away in a year if we signed Kyrie or KD? Worth the risk if we can get him on a reasonable trade.

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arkrud wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Don’t get me wrong, I really like KP. That said, his tendency to take 18 foot jump shots is a weakness, not a strength. He is a unicorn. But this injury scares me and I worry we overvalue our assets leading up to a large offseason. Given his RFA status, the “value” on KP’s contract is limited, in essence he should be brought up to fair market value, meaning his contract will likely be net zero sum or negative value as he is forced to outperform that contract. Think of Hardaway at 10m a year vs 19m a year. Which contract has more value? AD’s contract at 24m is a stud contract, albeit injury concerns. If you can use KP as the centerpiece there, I think you have to. They basically play the same position anyway.

You are forgetting about the risks of running this plan and losing both KP and AD.
If Knicks propose a trade with KP and AD and/or Pels will turn it out (90% chance ) KP is gone also and nobody will blame him for bolting.
The 10% of getting AD instead of KP is not worth the risk.
This is pretty clear case when FO should fold the hand with bad outs-to-value outcome.
Of course we should present some package out without KP and 1st not 5 protected in case all other suitors will be out of the hand for some reasons. And then if anyone will over-bet just fold. The night is long and it will be many other great players to bet on.

This is sound reasoning, I approve of this post.

Allanfan20 wrote:Anthony Davis is definitely not portraying himself as a good business-man here. He is backing NOLA into a corner by saying he ONLY wants to play for the LeBrons. and will not re-sign with any other team. Who is going to give up assets for someone like that? Even Isiah wouldn’t be THAT stupid. Now, what if the Lakers don’t offer a package NOLA wants? AD has to wait an entire year and a half until he can sign with the Los Angelos LeBrons.

I JUST told enyspree on facebook that I would trade the pick and filler for AD but on second thought, I would trade nothing. I wouldn’t move a muscle. The playoff run next season will be fun but if he’s not going to stay, it’s not worth giving up on getting Zion.

How can AD do that and still prevent his future team from emptying the cupboard to get him? By saying that the Lakers are the ONLY team he will resign with. Seems counterproductive but what it effectively does is it eliminates the need for the Lakers to make a competitive offer because all the other teams are no longer in the conversation. So now the Lakers can offer second round picks, cash considerations, NBDL players, bags of potato chips- you get the point. The Pels then would have a choice of accepting said potato chips or lose AD for nothing in free agency. The Lakers can get him without losing much. Good for both AD and the Lakers. My take that this approach is better than what Melo did in a similar situation where we had to give more to get him - otherwise it would have been the Nets, if you remember.

Allanfan20 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Anthony Davis is definitely not portraying himself as a good business-man here. He is backing NOLA into a corner by saying he ONLY wants to play for the LeBrons. and will not re-sign with any other team. Who is going to give up assets for someone like that? Even Isiah wouldn’t be THAT stupid. Now, what if the Lakers don’t offer a package NOLA wants? AD has to wait an entire year and a half until he can sign with the Los Angelos LeBrons.

I JUST told enyspree on facebook that I would trade the pick and filler for AD but on second thought, I would trade nothing. I wouldn’t move a muscle. The playoff run next season will be fun but if he’s not going to stay, it’s not worth giving up on getting Zion.

I see what you are saying and it makes sense. If a player has Championship aspirations the best course of action is to come to the team as a free agent(see Durant). Another Option is to take a paycut to allow the front office some flexibility(see the Heat Big three). Anything else and you are putting your future team at a disadvantage(see Melo to the Knicks). So AD is not taking the route that would be the best in the future.

How can AD do that and still prevent his future team from emptying the cupboard to get him? By saying that the Lakers are the ONLY team he will resign with. Seems counterproductive but what it effectively does is it eliminates the need for the Lakers to make a competitive offer because all the other teams are no longer in the conversation. So now the Lakers can offer second round picks, cash considerations, NBDL players, bags of potato chips- you get the point. The Pels then would have a choice of accepting said potato chips or lose AD for nothing in free agency. The Lakers can get him without losing much. Good for both AD and the Lakers. My take that this approach is better than what Melo did in a similar situation where we had to give more to get him - otherwise it would have been the Nets, if you remember.

Yeah. The problem with Melo is that the Knicks had the advantage the entire time and they still outbid themselves. If Dolan wanted Melo that bad, he could have just waited for the Summer. It’s crazy how stupid that trade was... and there are STILL people that will defend it.

Melo wanted to be a man not lead tam to the title.
He get what he want.
If Knicks would not trade the big chances were Melo will sign elsewhere.
This would be great for the Knicks but Dolan had other plans.

technomaster wrote:The challenge with AD (and any big man, for that matter) is that we're in a little man's NBA right now. Giannis is so excellent because he can put the ball on the floor and play a legit little man's game (shoot from outside, put the ball on the floor, pass for assists). Same goes for Durant (of course Durant has some excellent perimeter weapons on their team too).

AD's a much more traditional big man. I suppose same goes for folks like KAT or Blake Griffin. Despite how excellent these players are, their teams have struggled to get above .500.

AD's a 2-way player, an impact player on both ends of the floor, but the Pelicans don't win. Surround him with an inferior supporting cast on the Knicks... and we still lose.

I don't think you can dismiss that streak the Pelicans had last season in the second half- he does have a winning impact, the problem is their bench is trash and only 3 of their starting 5 are good.

Gudris wrote:AD is not better than KP, KP has winning charisma, AD is just a great player(but a bad team leader)

Are you saying KP is a good team leader? I see no evidence of that, doesn't mean he is bad either - just no evidence either way. What we do know is he is willing to put his ego above the team and create drama/distractions

meloshouldgo wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:Anthony Davis is definitely not portraying himself as a good business-man here. He is backing NOLA into a corner by saying he ONLY wants to play for the LeBrons. and will not re-sign with any other team. Who is going to give up assets for someone like that? Even Isiah wouldn’t be THAT stupid. Now, what if the Lakers don’t offer a package NOLA wants? AD has to wait an entire year and a half until he can sign with the Los Angelos LeBrons.

I JUST told enyspree on facebook that I would trade the pick and filler for AD but on second thought, I would trade nothing. I wouldn’t move a muscle. The playoff run next season will be fun but if he’s not going to stay, it’s not worth giving up on getting Zion.

This is the Melo trade all over again. Let the Lakers screw themselves, I am happy he didn't include the Knicks as a destination.

I really like AD a lot. There is a place for a big man that can do everything. We just can’t be taking the gamble. He only wants to play for the LeBrons. I understand that. Good luck playing for a guy, who in a year and a half, will have THAT much more wear and tear with a previous bad groin injury.