Cartman718 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Cartman718 wrote:can you please name me great offensive players who developed good D after being in the league for 5 years?
can you then please name great defensive players who developed good O after being in the league for 5 years? or even less years for that matter?if you are so blind that you cannot see frank gets a pass simply because he is in his sophomore season, then no one can reason with your idiocy.
ok he's not jason tatum.... great. he's not kyrie or steph...great. but everything about him states that he has the potential to become great. and that he's working towards realizing that potential. just because that's too slow FOR YOU!!!!, does not mean it isn't happening. smh.
Dont see someone who wants to be a good offensive player, let alone a great one. Not about talent. Frank's first instinct is to defer. Sometimes thats not a good idea.
Frank needs a sense of urgency when it comes to offense. Might not be traded anytime soon, but could find himself on the bench and losing PT to teammates who play D and who wont hesitate to pull the trigger, when they have a good look.
Agree with you that he needs sense of urgency to become a good offensive player. No denying that. Also no denying that he has a potential to get there based on shown flashes this season and last.
Frank is never in a hurry. That's good sometimes, but sometimes it's soooo baaaad. One looks at his deficient O and says "when is this guy going to get better on offense"?
I wholeheartedly disagree with anyone's notion that he won't.
Read through the remaining posts on this thread. Absolutely agree that Dotson is playing better than Frank right now. Dotson is also 24. Burke 25. Timmy 26. Trier and Mudiay 22.
Everyone is indicting Mudiay at 22 and saying Trier's got the IT factor at the same age. It doesn't mean that Mudiay cannot develop or that Trier cannot develop some trigger happy bad habits.
Frank's got at least 2 years on his closest in age competition on the team. I am not saying that lets not pass judgment until he turns 22, but dude did turn 20 this July. His progression out the gate this season has been slow or visually non-existent. In my opinion, Frank understands that the season is a marathon and that he needs more stamina to play good on both ends of the floor. I remember there were some posts / threads from Nix last season where he showed how an opposing guard did against Frank in the first head-to-head vs the next head-to-head, the latter being in Frank's favor.
This shows me that he's watching film, student of the game, intent on improving. I do think that where he was towards the end of last season, the beginning of this season seems a little regressed compared to that. That's not a good sign at the moment.
Put this way...20 games into the season if he's playing exactly like he is right now, it should be disappointing.
Similarly, 70 games into the season, if he's playing like he played 20 games into the season, again it should be disappointing.
The only thing that with Frank you can preach to the fan base is...patience for now.
The FO has faith that 2 years from now, he'll be a baller compared to any of the other players I mentioned in this post.
I dont think Timmy, Burke are going to develop good D all of a sudden (harder to change those bad habits on D vs changing bad habits on O)
Dotson I have high hopes for to become a good SG and hopefully one day take over the starting SG role on this team, unless we draft a stud at that position or if KD is coming our way.
My concern with Frank's game is that he's missing something that most lotto picks already have, a chip on their shoulder. Its not so much talent, but attitude. Frank has played a few good quarters, he goes on a little tear, than goes back to being passive.
If it was just FG pct, not being able to finish at the rim, my answer would be for Frank to keep plugging away.
Frank cant fix what he doesnt work on. Only way Frank is going to get through this is, to push through the indecision, the hesitation, the fear of getting rejected at the rim.
Almost 30 mpg and one more take to the rim from last season says that Frank isnt working on his offense nearly enough. Granted its 4 games.
At the same time, who knows if Frank will ever play like he wants to put the other team six feet under?
Said last season if Frank gets through SL, preseason, into the-star break, and we still dont see much of a change in his game, its fair to wonder if he will change any time soon. Still feel the same way.
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