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fishmike
Posts: 53837 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
![]() GustavBahler wrote:which when it comes to defense means nothing...fishmike wrote:Welpee wrote:http://www.82games.com/1718/17NYK21.HTMMarkji wrote:And last year he wasn't as bad as advertised on the defensive end. No, he wasn't great but he wasn't as big a liability as a lot of us feared. Now I assume this is where somebody posts some advance stat that is suppose to the be final word on any argument in spite of what you actually witnessed on the court.TripleThreat wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:reub wrote:Welpee wrote:TripleThreat wrote:The issue isn't Kanter's continued development, rather his fit in whatever system Fizdale runs.Welpee wrote:Questions: I actually like Kanter. I think he can really help next year and even without KP I would not be surprised if the Knicks shock a lot of people. I think we have some pieces that can come together and play good basketball, maybe even a playoff berth in the weak east. Or we could win 18 games which would be fine... but I think we are better and Kanter is a big reason why. He's great on the glass, and he's a scorer. The problem is as you mentioned.. if Kanter has to guard a player with a jumpshot he's the worst defensive player in the league. $18mm for next year is fine. I am moving on though and not offering him a long term deal. I like him as a 20mpg role player. But that's a $10mm a year guy, not the $20-$25mm a year he wants and expects. I think its that simple and means ba-bye after this deal is up, opt in or not. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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Markji
Posts: 22753 Alba Posts: -4 Joined: 9/14/2007 Member: #1673 USA |
![]() fishmike wrote:Welpee wrote:http://www.82games.com/1718/17NYK21.HTMMarkji wrote:And last year he wasn't as bad as advertised on the defensive end. No, he wasn't great but he wasn't as big a liability as a lot of us feared. Now I assume this is where somebody posts some advance stat that is suppose to the be final word on any argument in spite of what you actually witnessed on the court.TripleThreat wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:reub wrote:Welpee wrote:TripleThreat wrote:The issue isn't Kanter's continued development, rather his fit in whatever system Fizdale runs.Welpee wrote:Questions: Is that a typo? as I don't see how "centers who play vs Kanter light it up"??? In EFG% Kanter gives up 1.8% per 48 min. but.... in scoring Kanter scores 5.1 ppg more than opponents per 48 min. That = 22.5% more ppg. Kanter is "lighting up" his opponents, it seems to me or am I reading this wrong? Kanter's opponents score 54% against him but Kanter scores 59.2% against all the other centers. That is 5.2% better which = 10% better in comparison. I'd love to see these stats of Kanter rebounding vs opponents if you have those. Looking at the straight rebounding stats: You and others keep saying how bad Kanter is and I keep seeing how good he is. Kanter isn't a Hall of Fame player, but he is damm good. The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.
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GustavBahler
Posts: 42813 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
![]() fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:which when it comes to defense means nothing...fishmike wrote:Welpee wrote:http://www.82games.com/1718/17NYK21.HTMMarkji wrote:And last year he wasn't as bad as advertised on the defensive end. No, he wasn't great but he wasn't as big a liability as a lot of us feared. Now I assume this is where somebody posts some advance stat that is suppose to the be final word on any argument in spite of what you actually witnessed on the court.TripleThreat wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:reub wrote:Welpee wrote:TripleThreat wrote:The issue isn't Kanter's continued development, rather his fit in whatever system Fizdale runs.Welpee wrote:Questions: Interior defense means nothing, got it. You and Martin keep peddling this crapola that Kanter is worth what we were paying Lopez 4 years ago. For one of the best post player/rebounders in the league. You sure Kanter would only take around 25 mill a year? Not possible that number is somewhere in between? |
LegendD
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![]() I would not be sad if the Knicks would be 15-20 victory team next season. This is a rebuild process.
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fishmike
Posts: 53837 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
![]() Markji wrote:Kanter scores and rebounds. He does those things very well. Nobody disputes that. The question is are those skills worth it and do they make the team better when you consider how bad his defense. As a role player for 20mpg and at a salary somewhere slightly above the MLE Kanter is a nice player. At $18mm and up he is not.fishmike wrote:Welpee wrote:http://www.82games.com/1718/17NYK21.HTMMarkji wrote:And last year he wasn't as bad as advertised on the defensive end. No, he wasn't great but he wasn't as big a liability as a lot of us feared. Now I assume this is where somebody posts some advance stat that is suppose to the be final word on any argument in spite of what you actually witnessed on the court.TripleThreat wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:reub wrote:Welpee wrote:TripleThreat wrote:The issue isn't Kanter's continued development, rather his fit in whatever system Fizdale runs.Welpee wrote:Questions: "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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fishmike
Posts: 53837 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
![]() GustavBahler wrote:you keep peddling the crapola that Kanter is one of the best players in the league. Kanter's interior defense doesnt matter when you dont need to go there to exploit him. Harping on Kanter's interior defense is like talking about farts in the wind. Zero impact defensively on games and opposing centers have bloated EFF%fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:which when it comes to defense means nothing...fishmike wrote:Welpee wrote:http://www.82games.com/1718/17NYK21.HTMMarkji wrote:And last year he wasn't as bad as advertised on the defensive end. No, he wasn't great but he wasn't as big a liability as a lot of us feared. Now I assume this is where somebody posts some advance stat that is suppose to the be final word on any argument in spite of what you actually witnessed on the court.TripleThreat wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:reub wrote:Welpee wrote:TripleThreat wrote:The issue isn't Kanter's continued development, rather his fit in whatever system Fizdale runs.Welpee wrote:Questions: This is why Kanter lost his job to Steve Adams. Paying a center who doesnt protect the rim and cant defend his position big money might be the dumbest thing I have heard Knick fans hope for... but every day is a new day. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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GustavBahler
Posts: 42813 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
![]() fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:you keep peddling the crapola that Kanter is one of the best players in the league. Kanter's interior defense doesnt matter when you dont need to go there to exploit him. Harping on Kanter's interior defense is like talking about farts in the wind. Zero impact defensively on games and opposing centers have bloated EFF%fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:which when it comes to defense means nothing...fishmike wrote:Welpee wrote:http://www.82games.com/1718/17NYK21.HTMMarkji wrote:And last year he wasn't as bad as advertised on the defensive end. No, he wasn't great but he wasn't as big a liability as a lot of us feared. Now I assume this is where somebody posts some advance stat that is suppose to the be final word on any argument in spite of what you actually witnessed on the court.TripleThreat wrote:newyorker4ever wrote:reub wrote:Welpee wrote:TripleThreat wrote:The issue isn't Kanter's continued development, rather his fit in whatever system Fizdale runs.Welpee wrote:Questions: BS. I never once said Kanter was one of the best overall players in the league, I have been very specific about his skill set. Kanter does protect the rim, check the numbers. Doesnt make a lot of blocks, but he knows how to stay in front of his man in the post, and contest the shot. Adams is a better all round defender than Kanter. OKC didnt want to give up Kanter, but they were desperate for Melo. You think they want that trade back? Not wanting Kanter is one thing, saying he's worth what a big was getting on the low end, years ago, with a different cap, is silly. Paying Kanter around what he makes now considering the cap will be going up again, isnt overpaying. We dont have a starting center yet. We might have one in Robinson, in a couple of seasons, maybe sooner. In the meantime having Kanter start until Robinson is ready, is a good way to smooth the transition. We arent contending for a few years. Wont teach him to be a star defender from the perimeter, but Kanter can teach post moves, positioning, rebounding. Then Kanter can move to the bench, and be instant offense off the bench when the Knicks are hopefully ready to make some waves. |