fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:Trae Young will get exposed in this league, he's a trap. Jimmer Fredette 2.0. Trae will be in China in a few years battling Mabuli and the 'Lonely Master' mark my words!!!!

Jimmer played all 4 years , he averaged 6 points his freshman year.

Comparing trae to jimmer is borderline retarded, jimmer didn't have the quickness, the floor vision, or the ability to finish are the rim.

Even if trae is a suspect defender, he's fast, can shoot, and set dudes up lovely.

Avg 8.5 assist in college is a BIG DEAL, especially when your teammates are below avg

8.5 assists is not a big deal, especially when you average 5+ TOs
Young is not a finisher around the rim. You made that up as you do much of your info. He's got a lot of nice offensive moves... finishing at the rim is not one of them.

We keep coming back to the same thing... people use Curry as a precedent. Curry, best shooter ever, MVP and first ballot HOF. Boy that is suspect decision making.

I will say this... he's coming in for a workout. I dont think this FO is driven by splashy moves. They are preaching slow and steady so we will see. They have Burke. They have seen our guys. If they pick Young based on what they see with other guys on the board I will hope for the best and keep an open mind. That being said I have yet to see any argument of substance for taking Young at 9, based on his body of work and physical attributes

Look, I'm not saying he doesn't have flaws and he's a finish product, im saying don't dare compare him to jimmer, and i'm 100% sure he wont be a bust.

I just dont think you can keep burke, frank, and mudiay if you draft young, one has to be traded

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:Trae Young will get exposed in this league, he's a trap. Jimmer Fredette 2.0. Trae will be in China in a few years battling Mabuli and the 'Lonely Master' mark my words!!!!

Jimmer played all 4 years , he averaged 6 points his freshman year.

Comparing trae to jimmer is borderline retarded, jimmer didn't have the quickness, the floor vision, or the ability to finish are the rim.

Even if trae is a suspect defender, he's fast, can shoot, and set dudes up lovely.

Avg 8.5 assist in college is a BIG DEAL, especially when your teammates are below avg

8.5 assists is not a big deal, especially when you average 5+ TOs
Young is not a finisher around the rim. You made that up as you do much of your info. He's got a lot of nice offensive moves... finishing at the rim is not one of them.

We keep coming back to the same thing... people use Curry as a precedent. Curry, best shooter ever, MVP and first ballot HOF. Boy that is suspect decision making.

I will say this... he's coming in for a workout. I dont think this FO is driven by splashy moves. They are preaching slow and steady so we will see. They have Burke. They have seen our guys. If they pick Young based on what they see with other guys on the board I will hope for the best and keep an open mind. That being said I have yet to see any argument of substance for taking Young at 9, based on his body of work and physical attributes

Look, I'm not saying he doesn't have flaws and he's a finish product, im saying don't dare compare him to jimmer, and i'm 100% sure he wont be a bust.

I just dont think you can keep burke, frank, and mudiay if you draft young, one has to be traded

SupremeCommander wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:Trae Young will get exposed in this league, he's a trap. Jimmer Fredette 2.0. Trae will be in China in a few years battling Mabuli and the 'Lonely Master' mark my words!!!!

Jimmer played all 4 years , he averaged 6 points his freshman year.

Comparing trae to jimmer is borderline retarded, jimmer didn't have the quickness, the floor vision, or the ability to finish are the rim.

Even if trae is a suspect defender, he's fast, can shoot, and set dudes up lovely.

Avg 8.5 assist in college is a BIG DEAL, especially when your teammates are below avg

8.5 assists is not a big deal, especially when you average 5+ TOs
Young is not a finisher around the rim. You made that up as you do much of your info. He's got a lot of nice offensive moves... finishing at the rim is not one of them.

We keep coming back to the same thing... people use Curry as a precedent. Curry, best shooter ever, MVP and first ballot HOF. Boy that is suspect decision making.

I will say this... he's coming in for a workout. I dont think this FO is driven by splashy moves. They are preaching slow and steady so we will see. They have Burke. They have seen our guys. If they pick Young based on what they see with other guys on the board I will hope for the best and keep an open mind. That being said I have yet to see any argument of substance for taking Young at 9, based his body of work and physical attributes

Look, I'm not saying he doesn't have flaws and he's a finish product, im saying don't dare compare him to jimmer, and i'm 100% sure he wont be a bust.

I just dont think you can keep burke, frank, and mudiay if you draft young, one has to be traded

Agree. Throw Dotson in the mix and we're looking at another roster imbalance. This time it's guards instead of centers. I'm not 💯% sure he won't be a bust, but I'm open-minded. But doesn't anyone else think Young would be redundant with Burke on the roster?

I am not a huge fan of Young... that said, if Young is the decision I'm fine with it. I do think we have to swing for a home run and if Young is legit then we are in great shape moving forward. Who cares if the roster is imbalanced? It's terrible and needs to be overhauled anyway

I agree that too much is never enough unless it's just right lol But we have a glaring need at the wings. Unless you feel Young is head and shoulders above the rest of the field than I probably pass.

Wendel Carter
Mikal Bridges
Trae Young.

My take is teams make a list, then go with whose at the top of it when its time.
If Danny Ainge calls don't even take it.

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:Trey had the ball about every possession. He should have that many assists.
Im not buying the hype bought on by Curry tearing it up in the finals. Fans like to assimilate whats in front of them.
I want him if he is curry. we all saw Bobby Hurley struggle in the NBA. He might have over come his size and developed and we'll never know. Bobby had a great team (young does not) around him and he was winner.
Trae Young was awesome then he was not. This is a concern.
Not sure he even lasts until 9th. If there, who is not?
Im top three baring any Michael Porter or other suprise is:

Wendel Carter
Mikal Bridges
Trae Young.

My take is teams make a list, then go with whose at the top of it when its time.
If Danny Ainge calls don't even take it.

You dont get two points for passing the ball. Someone has to make it. Id buy the stat stuffer inference, if Young didnt lead the NCAA in assists. You guys make it sound like its so easy, problem is that Young did it first.

Hurley was T-Boned by a station wagon his rookie year. Never was the same player physically.

Young expending all his energy on offense in all likelihood took away from his defense. Wouldnt have that issue on a team with KP.

I see Sexton or Young at 9, Id like to see Perry/Mills pick one of them. KP needs all the help he can get while the team rebuilds. The alternative is paying through the nose in free agency. Burke is the only real offensive threat at PG right now.

Young shot 22.8 percent (28-of-123) in his final 11 games. He missed 21 straight 3-pointers during a three-game span. The Sooners lost nine of their last 11, including first-round exits in the Big 12 and NCAA Tournaments.

This is less me killing Young and more about looking at better options on the board. If it were all question marks maybe Young makes more sense. There will be good NBA players at 9.

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:Trey had the ball about every possession. He should have that many assists.
Im not buying the hype bought on by Curry tearing it up in the finals. Fans like to assimilate whats in front of them.
I want him if he is curry. we all saw Bobby Hurley struggle in the NBA. He might have over come his size and developed and we'll never know. Bobby had a great team (young does not) around him and he was winner.
Trae Young was awesome then he was not. This is a concern.
Not sure he even lasts until 9th. If there, who is not?
Im top three baring any Michael Porter or other suprise is:

Wendel Carter
Mikal Bridges
Trae Young.

My take is teams make a list, then go with whose at the top of it when its time.
If Danny Ainge calls don't even take it.

You dont get two points for passing the ball. Someone has to make it. Id buy the stat stuffer inference, if Young didnt lead the NCAA in assists. You guys make it sound like its so easy, problem is that Young did it first.

Hurley was T-Boned by a station wagon his rookie year. Never was the same player physically.

Young expending all his energy on offense in all likelihood took away from his defense. Wouldnt have that issue on a team with KP.

I see Sexton or Young at 9, Id like to see Perry/Mills pick one of them. KP needs all the help he can get while the team rebuilds. The alternative is paying through the nose in free agency. Burke is the only real offensive threat at PG right now.

Its much easier to lead in assists when there is no pressure to take care of the ball. There is nothing good about Young's A:TO ratio. Its horrific. The problem with Young's stats is the volume it took to collect them. Also there is this:

Young shot 22.8 percent (28-of-123) in his final 11 games. He missed 21 straight 3-pointers during a three-game span. The Sooners lost nine of their last 11, including first-round exits in the Big 12 and NCAA Tournaments.

You arent even drafting Young on a great freshman season. You are doing it on a HALF of one.

This is less me killing Young and more about looking at better options on the board. If it were all question marks maybe Young makes more sense. There will be good NBA players at 9.

Thats just not true, look at the talent level of his teamates. If the assists are no big deal because of the volume, the turnovers shouldnt bother you either for the same reason, volume.

The kid is a freshman pushing the envelope on offense, not surprised about the growing pains. We arent tslking about a blue chip athlete surrounded by blue chip athletes on an elite team. A freshman who can get this much out of his team is remarkable.

The last 11 games where everyone knew how dangerous a player Young is, and maybe combined with some burnout from having defenses focus mainly on him, with little help was too much. Frank's pro experience (off the bench) was hyped endlessly here. What Young did was much more impressive.

this is a developmental year and these would be the guys i would want to see getting the pt to evaluate them and develop them as a group. i like courtney but i don't want to see him getting minutes over the above.

we also have our #2, then next year we add kp, the #1 and 2. then we're ready to fill in and go.

There are many iterations of this draft, including potential trades. Perry and co. need to have specific value assessments in place for contingencies to manipulate/accelerate negotiations in real time.

To me, generally accomplish the following.

1) "Dollar-cost-average" existing draft picks/selections - in other words do not trade Frank Ntilikina or next year's pick, in the absence of top-10ish protection in perpetuity and an other-worldly offer.

2) Attempt to move up to 6/7 to get Trae Young - he is unquestionably the number one target, and the only player for whom I consider adding a protected 1st round pick to move up in the draft.

3) If Trae is unavailable after pick 7, Cleveland's pick could be in play, knowing the uncertainty of LeBrexit #2 and pressures on their front office. Would Hardaway be a tempting replacement for 34 year old disoriented JR? If executed, take Lonnie Walker and Mikal Bridges at 8 and 9.

4) As with #3, generally downsize the operation until the uncertainties surrounding KP's return become clearer, raising the value of next year's pick, and allowing grouped free-agency decisions in 2019.

DJMUSIC wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Easy as that

Agree with ya
brother!

150%

T.Young may not be perfect PG,
BUT LISTEN

anyone whom wants NEWYORK Hoops, I want them
This is our city, this place ain't easy.

If Young feels dis'ssed and feels NY can be had to become special
why not ?

We needed a lead guard for a long time
#9 pick ? what you going to get?

no swing man, no big man
no project, no MJ, Lebron, Magic, Tim D, Kareem/Bird, Steph OR KD etc...

But if you get a player in Young a G/PG whom can Prosper
and prove it with chip on his Shoulder, KNICKS would have drafted & got a Guard
something we aint had since Rod Strickland/Mark Jackson

And of course the great Hall of Famer "Walt Clyde Frazier?

Do it!

codeunknown wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

codeunknown wrote:The preparation for the draft is as always crucial. Both with draftee evaluation and understanding other teams' financial and personnel situations, and draft/negotiation precedent.

There are many iterations of this draft, including potential trades. Perry and co. need to have specific value assessments in place for contingencies to manipulate/accelerate negotiations in real time.

To me, generally accomplish the following.

1) "Dollar-cost-average" existing draft picks/selections - in other words do not trade Frank Ntilikina or next year's pick, in the absence of top-10ish protection in perpetuity and an other-worldly offer.

2) Attempt to move up to 6/7 to get Trae Young - he is unquestionably the number one target, and the only player for whom I consider adding a protected 1st round pick to move up in the draft.

3) If Trae is unavailable after pick 7, Cleveland's pick could be in play, knowing the uncertainty of LeBrexit #2 and pressures on their front office. Would Hardaway be a tempting replacement for 34 year old disoriented JR? If executed, take Lonnie Walker and Mikal Bridges at 8 and 9.

4) As with #3, generally downsize the operation until the uncertainties surrounding KP's return become clearer, raising the value of next year's pick, and allowing grouped free-agency decisions in 2019.

Wow lol not that high on Luka or Ayton?

No - not high on Ayton, though he'll be decent/good. The risk profile is notably worse than the physical profile. You're high on the guy? The draft is a probabilistic analysis, which is improved when observables are translated into predictive determinants of subgroups. Those are clustered for Ayton with his rebounding, low post moves, and shooting efficiency based on size/strength in a way where his competitive advantage may 1) not translate entirely at the NBA level, and 2) be limited with niche personnel.

Luka is good, I prefer him to Ayton at this point, but the cost of moving up to top 5 is too high.

Its surprising to me that Trae is under-rated by many here; there will definitely be crow eaten by someone.

fishmike wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:Trey had the ball about every possession. He should have that many assists.
Im not buying the hype bought on by Curry tearing it up in the finals. Fans like to assimilate whats in front of them.
I want him if he is curry. we all saw Bobby Hurley struggle in the NBA. He might have over come his size and developed and we'll never know. Bobby had a great team (young does not) around him and he was winner.
Trae Young was awesome then he was not. This is a concern.
Not sure he even lasts until 9th. If there, who is not?
Im top three baring any Michael Porter or other suprise is:

Wendel Carter
Mikal Bridges
Trae Young.

My take is teams make a list, then go with whose at the top of it when its time.
If Danny Ainge calls don't even take it.

You dont get two points for passing the ball. Someone has to make it. Id buy the stat stuffer inference, if Young didnt lead the NCAA in assists. You guys make it sound like its so easy, problem is that Young did it first.

Hurley was T-Boned by a station wagon his rookie year. Never was the same player physically.

Young expending all his energy on offense in all likelihood took away from his defense. Wouldnt have that issue on a team with KP.

I see Sexton or Young at 9, Id like to see Perry/Mills pick one of them. KP needs all the help he can get while the team rebuilds. The alternative is paying through the nose in free agency. Burke is the only real offensive threat at PG right now.

Its much easier to lead in assists when there is no pressure to take care of the ball. There is nothing good about Young's A:TO ratio. Its horrific. The problem with Young's stats is the volume it took to collect them. Also there is this:

Young shot 22.8 percent (28-of-123) in his final 11 games. He missed 21 straight 3-pointers during a three-game span. The Sooners lost nine of their last 11, including first-round exits in the Big 12 and NCAA Tournaments.

You arent even drafting Young on a great freshman season. You are doing it on a HALF of one.

This is less me killing Young and more about looking at better options on the board. If it were all question marks maybe Young makes more sense. There will be good NBA players at 9.