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Kp is simply not a reliable player to be counted on
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arkrud
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12/8/2017  10:36 AM
Nalod wrote:
arkrud wrote:
Nalod wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
teamsport72 wrote:Does anyone still take Briggs stuff serious? Panic attacks across the board, trade KP for 2 first-rounders, trade Willy for 2 BigMacs, shoot me in the pinky?

UK is officially the Panic Room :-)

Hey Briggs was right about Greg Monroe being better than Rolo. Wasn't he?

We have a unicorn. He needs to stay healthy until we have more than overpaid pipe dreams around him. And we need to keep trying to win, not tank. Or the brother agent may make all this trade **** moot for us after next season.

Yes. MY fav's are "He is not yet a franshicse player until.....", "He needs to get stronger"......Yes, he needs DRAGO like build! Ne needs to play a full season....yes he does. He has missed 17% of our games. We have played 28% of our season thus far.
He arguably played about 8 games of the first 11 at MVP level. That's 10% of the season. Dude came out and said "I can do this". He can. Now he need understands to sustain that requires more. More fish, chicken and weights according to Briggs suggestion to frank.
KP does things that amaze most fans that he at that height has that kind of mobility. I for one find his inclusion to be fascinating.

Three things will happen at the end of this season:

1. He signs an extension
2. he doesn't

Two things happen the end of next season:

1. he Tests free agency but we can match.
2. He plays it out and becomes unrestricted.

Two things we can do:

1. Let him walk.
2. Offer an ultimatum that if he decides to walk free we trade him. He will have power to where he wants to go.

His freedom and wonderful "its not about the money" would come with a risk. He can lose multi generational wealth if he gets hurt.
Her is the funny thing. Perry and MIlls know more about everything than we do. There are other scenarios I don't know. That's right, Mills and Perry are smarter than I am. Since Nalod is smarter than Briggs, He knows even less. (Tongue in cheek sarcasm)
I hope KP loves New York and that our current state of normalcy builds confidence in KP that he is part of our future.

Home, sweet home.
It will take some extraordinary sucking to have KP walk.
The City, The Money, The Stage, The Swagger...
No way he will go anywhere.

There has to be a hope for a star player that he will get the support. Chaos and turnover top to bottom will discourage. The benefits of NYC are many but life sours without some success.
If KP is on boar with the plan then we have a good chance of retaining him.

He is the plan.
And fact that Garden is not selling off is great too.
There is some sense of normality when the perception getting close to reality.
KP can build his own house and this is much more satisfying that get into house build by someone else.
KD will always be the one who joined... so many others.
The war can be won as solder or as mercenary. Big difference.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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Nalod
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12/8/2017  1:35 PM
Not sure KD or anyone in San Fran really cares that KD "Joined".
Fact is if Lebron wants in, NYC will open its arms and rejoice!
But for KP to wander free requires huge financial gamble. He could just ask for a trade. The sacrifice is trades can reduce depth but a team like the Celtics would still have plenty left over.
Best case scenario: KP a star and Knick on the rise!!!
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12/8/2017  3:50 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I don't think he is capable of playing more than 60-65 games a year max. I said this in a post a couple of weeks ago-- he's a 25-28 minute player that needs to be monitored for the long term. While he can have a form of franchise talent-- he is not Sturdy enough physically to be counted on. He can be part but he will not be THE man

why i was willing to trade him

Ditto albeit for a ridiculously high asking price. I still think Boston would've been willing to give up the kind of assets to make things interesting.

How many games did Jordan miss, early in his career? Would you pass on Anthony Davis? How many games has he missed?

Michael Jordan? I think he broke his leg in his second or third season and basically missed most of said season in the process. But I think that's a moot point because Jordan fit a completely different physical profile and showed to be an iron horse throughout his career. Freakishly big guys like KP, however, have shown to be especially injury-prone to an extent that shortens their careers e.g. Yao Ming, Greg Oden, Manute Bol, Andrew Bynum, etc. That history inclines me to think that we won't have much of a window with Kristaps before physiology catches up to him. That and that alone was the only reason I seriously would've contemplated a deal with the Celtics if Jaylen Brown and the no.1 overall pick (to be swapped with Philly for no.3 and future assets) were on the table.

FWIW, I feel the same way about Anthony Davis. Even those concussions are starting to catch up with him.

These are the type of posts that kill me, when folks cherry pick tall guys with injury problems with varying degrees of body types and injury histories, then when you refute their claims with examples to the contrary they'll always come up with reasons why the players you referenced don't count.

Bynum and Oden were "freakishly" big? Funny how Durant, Garnett and Dirk, the guys most compared to KP in terms of their bodies, skill level and playing style, conveniently didn't make your list. But Manute Bol is referenced? It's also funny how the best guy to make this case is also pretty much forgotten, and that's Ralph Sampson.

And then there's Ewing, a guy who had injuries early in his career but was consider very durable over his entire career, conveniently didn't get referenced in this post.

And does anybody really think Manute Bol or Shawn Bradely or Andrew Bynum put in anywhere near as much work as KP as shown thus far in the gym and weight room?

Kp is simply not a reliable player to be counted on

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