Jmpasq wrote:Its not like Porzingis where there were 10-15 whole games to watch on youtube. Even compare his ball handling and speed to Donovan Mitchell who has similar length, he is way behind Donovan Mitchell. "If" he can tighten up his handle and learn to create off the dribble he then becomes insanely valuable. If not he becomes a well skilled wing which is fine but not to the level of a pg with that length

awe1028 wrote:My take on Frank vs DSJ is the following: I don't think given his elite height and length at PG that anyone denies Frank has a very high ceiling/potential maybe even more than DSJ. It is his lower floor and higher bust potential that is the concern.

Compared to Frank, DSJ ALEADY has the core skills necessary to be a successful NBA player. He can dribble at an elite or near elite level, he has elite quickness he has an elite or near elite first step to take players of the dribble and break down defenses, he is a competent passer and a competent shooter. Combined with the fact that the NBA is now slanted to favor players with DSJ's skills and there is a higher degree of certainty DSJ will be successful.

Alternatively Frank is weaker in the core skills mentioned above (I am not sure they are at NBA level currently) and if he is unable to develop them satisfactorily will make him a bust. His dribbling skills at this time are slow and loose, his first step quickness seem at the best seem mediocre, and while his outside shot is good he seems slow and methodical releasing the ball.

When I think of DSJ I see very little chance of his being a bust. I see his floor as Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury, Derrick Rose - not great PGs certainly but competent NBA players none the less

Frank has a higher likelihood of busting. Dante Exum is the player that immediately comes to mind. Yes Frank does have all world potential that quite possibly exceeds that DSJ but the higher likelihood that he may never reach it is what is worrisome about the pick.

The way Nitty is going to be used is more of a Team Oriented Lead Guard than a Ball Dominant Scoring Guard. There's less of a need for him to have Great Handles or an Elite PG 1st Step. We've seen Big PG's like Nitty be successful.

Before the draft I said I didn't see Elite Superstar potential in Nitty. I see a kid that could have a great career as an Elite 2Way PG/SG. As you say he's not a Steve Francis, Marbury or DRose type. I don't see the kid Busting because he's too flexible as a PG or SG and he has a high BBIQ. He can shoot unlike a Shumpert. It's gonna be interesting to watch his development.

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:either other rookies could care less, or he's not that good,

Arguably, one of the most ignorant conclusions you could have reached.

Already got shot down by folks here who concluded, quite logically, that not having seen Frank play in college or in the SL just might have hurt his chances in this survey.

But hey...don't let logic interfere with your position...right?

Oh...by the way, are the fans of ALL the teams which picked ahead of Dallas apoplectic over this survey? Everybody had a chance to pick Smith, one of the older players chosen in the lottery, I think, and about 2 years older than our guy. Are they up in arms over THEIR team not choosing him, since he seems to be a lock for ROY?

Might want to give Frenchie some time...no?

basically you called yourself ignorant by saying what I said in different words.

I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

"or he's not that good." Not ignorant enough to make this statement YOU made though, am I.

Nothing I said puts me on your level, thankfully.

Nalod completely shot you down with the KP vote. The vote is meaningless, and considering Frenchie did not play in SL or at an American college, the vote becomes ridiculous as far as he is concerned.

Either you were trying to be provocative, or you have no idea of how to reason. Which one was it, bro.

He has possibly half the board(random measurement) trying to figure that out when he post. lol

Look, berman wrote the article, i posted the article because im sure we are all hoping frank turns out great.

Now because i said i would be livid (like thousands of other fans) if he turns out to be trash, one guy say's thats ignorant statement, another guy brings up kp's votes, i don't know what im talking about.

You guys are pretty much trolling because i never said i didn't like frank, never sided with the rookies or the article.

I don't write ignorant sht, just remember, i was the first to praise woodson when he took over, and the first to say he was done, first to call out fisher and put him on the hot seat, was on board with phil and one of the first to say he's not going to make it, and i was never on board with trading melo this off season. lOOK AT HOW IT ALL TURNS OUT..

certain sht you can see early, and some have accused me of been negative, but i hardly ever come back and say i told you this sht was going to happen. Some of you just take longer to realize the inevitable.

But just so you know..FRANK IS MY GUY RIGHT NOW, he' a knick, I'm hoping he's top 3 in his class. If he's not, heads will roll

I will be happy if Frank is a reliable two way player. Thats the minimum for me. We're setting ourselves up for disappointment if Frank has to become a star to justify the pick.

Its a bad look if Dennis Smith jr. becomes a 5 time All Star

Let's be clear, it's a "bad look" for those who engage in second guessing and faux outrage in the Internet bubble.

The internet bubble in which you are more than a willing participant.

That's obvious.

Doesn't mean I endorse typical ridiculous behaviors.

No one cares about your endorsements.

And no one cares about premature handwringing over a draft pick.

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:either other rookies could care less, or he's not that good,

Arguably, one of the most ignorant conclusions you could have reached.

Already got shot down by folks here who concluded, quite logically, that not having seen Frank play in college or in the SL just might have hurt his chances in this survey.

But hey...don't let logic interfere with your position...right?

Oh...by the way, are the fans of ALL the teams which picked ahead of Dallas apoplectic over this survey? Everybody had a chance to pick Smith, one of the older players chosen in the lottery, I think, and about 2 years older than our guy. Are they up in arms over THEIR team not choosing him, since he seems to be a lock for ROY?

Might want to give Frenchie some time...no?

basically you called yourself ignorant by saying what I said in different words.

I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

"or he's not that good." Not ignorant enough to make this statement YOU made though, am I.

Nothing I said puts me on your level, thankfully.

Nalod completely shot you down with the KP vote. The vote is meaningless, and considering Frenchie did not play in SL or at an American college, the vote becomes ridiculous as far as he is concerned.

Either you were trying to be provocative, or you have no idea of how to reason. Which one was it, bro.

He has possibly half the board(random measurement) trying to figure that out when he post. lol

Look, berman wrote the article, i posted the article because im sure we are all hoping frank turns out great.

Now because i said i would be livid (like thousands of other fans) if he turns out to be trash, one guy say's thats ignorant statement, another guy brings up kp's votes, i don't know what im talking about.

You guys are pretty much trolling because i never said i didn't like frank, never sided with the rookies or the article.

I don't write ignorant sht, just remember, i was the first to praise woodson when he took over, and the first to say he was done, first to call out fisher and put him on the hot seat, was on board with phil and one of the first to say he's not going to make it, and i was never on board with trading melo this off season. lOOK AT HOW IT ALL TURNS OUT..

certain sht you can see early, and some have accused me of been negative, but i hardly ever come back and say i told you this sht was going to happen. Some of you just take longer to realize the inevitable.

But just so you know..FRANK IS MY GUY RIGHT NOW, he' a knick, I'm hoping he's top 3 in his class. If he's not, heads will roll

I will be happy if Frank is a reliable two way player. Thats the minimum for me. We're setting ourselves up for disappointment if Frank has to become a star to justify the pick.

Its a bad look if Dennis Smith jr. becomes a 5 time All Star

Let's be clear, it's a "bad look" for those who engage in second guessing and faux outrage in the Internet bubble.

The internet bubble in which you are more than a willing participant.

That's obvious.

Doesn't mean I endorse typical ridiculous behaviors.

No one cares about your endorsements.

And no one cares about premature handwringing over a draft pick.

All the man said was that it wouldn't look good if the Knicks passed up on a player who became a multiple all-star, and you turn it into "faux outrage". You always seem to be the one who is outraged by something someone says here.

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:either other rookies could care less, or he's not that good,

Arguably, one of the most ignorant conclusions you could have reached.

Already got shot down by folks here who concluded, quite logically, that not having seen Frank play in college or in the SL just might have hurt his chances in this survey.

But hey...don't let logic interfere with your position...right?

Oh...by the way, are the fans of ALL the teams which picked ahead of Dallas apoplectic over this survey? Everybody had a chance to pick Smith, one of the older players chosen in the lottery, I think, and about 2 years older than our guy. Are they up in arms over THEIR team not choosing him, since he seems to be a lock for ROY?

Might want to give Frenchie some time...no?

basically you called yourself ignorant by saying what I said in different words.

I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

"or he's not that good." Not ignorant enough to make this statement YOU made though, am I.

Nothing I said puts me on your level, thankfully.

Nalod completely shot you down with the KP vote. The vote is meaningless, and considering Frenchie did not play in SL or at an American college, the vote becomes ridiculous as far as he is concerned.

Either you were trying to be provocative, or you have no idea of how to reason. Which one was it, bro.

He has possibly half the board(random measurement) trying to figure that out when he post. lol

Look, berman wrote the article, i posted the article because im sure we are all hoping frank turns out great.

Now because i said i would be livid (like thousands of other fans) if he turns out to be trash, one guy say's thats ignorant statement, another guy brings up kp's votes, i don't know what im talking about.

You guys are pretty much trolling because i never said i didn't like frank, never sided with the rookies or the article.

I don't write ignorant sht, just remember, i was the first to praise woodson when he took over, and the first to say he was done, first to call out fisher and put him on the hot seat, was on board with phil and one of the first to say he's not going to make it, and i was never on board with trading melo this off season. lOOK AT HOW IT ALL TURNS OUT..

certain sht you can see early, and some have accused me of been negative, but i hardly ever come back and say i told you this sht was going to happen. Some of you just take longer to realize the inevitable.

But just so you know..FRANK IS MY GUY RIGHT NOW, he' a knick, I'm hoping he's top 3 in his class. If he's not, heads will roll

I will be happy if Frank is a reliable two way player. Thats the minimum for me. We're setting ourselves up for disappointment if Frank has to become a star to justify the pick.

Its a bad look if Dennis Smith jr. becomes a 5 time All Star

Let's be clear, it's a "bad look" for those who engage in second guessing and faux outrage in the Internet bubble.

The internet bubble in which you are more than a willing participant.

That's obvious.

Doesn't mean I endorse typical ridiculous behaviors.

No one cares about your endorsements.

And no one cares about premature handwringing over a draft pick.

All the man said was that it wouldn't look good if the Knicks passed up on a player who became a multiple all-star, and you turn it into "faux outrage". You always seem to be the one who is outraged by something someone says here.

Steph marbury was a multi all star too the question is will dsj make others better because right now that is not the case. He's just a stat stuffer that takes plays off

Didn't DSJ lead the ACC in assists? Sounds like it was a real f'ed up situation there between the coaching staff, and his injury. Some fans might be underestimating Frank's ability to get to the rim, and underestimating DSJ's ability to be a floor general as well. Cant wait to find out.

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:either other rookies could care less, or he's not that good,

Arguably, one of the most ignorant conclusions you could have reached.

Already got shot down by folks here who concluded, quite logically, that not having seen Frank play in college or in the SL just might have hurt his chances in this survey.

But hey...don't let logic interfere with your position...right?

Oh...by the way, are the fans of ALL the teams which picked ahead of Dallas apoplectic over this survey? Everybody had a chance to pick Smith, one of the older players chosen in the lottery, I think, and about 2 years older than our guy. Are they up in arms over THEIR team not choosing him, since he seems to be a lock for ROY?

Might want to give Frenchie some time...no?

basically you called yourself ignorant by saying what I said in different words.

I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

"or he's not that good." Not ignorant enough to make this statement YOU made though, am I.

Nothing I said puts me on your level, thankfully.

Nalod completely shot you down with the KP vote. The vote is meaningless, and considering Frenchie did not play in SL or at an American college, the vote becomes ridiculous as far as he is concerned.

Either you were trying to be provocative, or you have no idea of how to reason. Which one was it, bro.

He has possibly half the board(random measurement) trying to figure that out when he post. lol

Look, berman wrote the article, i posted the article because im sure we are all hoping frank turns out great.

Now because i said i would be livid (like thousands of other fans) if he turns out to be trash, one guy say's thats ignorant statement, another guy brings up kp's votes, i don't know what im talking about.

You guys are pretty much trolling because i never said i didn't like frank, never sided with the rookies or the article.

I don't write ignorant sht, just remember, i was the first to praise woodson when he took over, and the first to say he was done, first to call out fisher and put him on the hot seat, was on board with phil and one of the first to say he's not going to make it, and i was never on board with trading melo this off season. lOOK AT HOW IT ALL TURNS OUT..

certain sht you can see early, and some have accused me of been negative, but i hardly ever come back and say i told you this sht was going to happen. Some of you just take longer to realize the inevitable.

But just so you know..FRANK IS MY GUY RIGHT NOW, he' a knick, I'm hoping he's top 3 in his class. If he's not, heads will roll

I will be happy if Frank is a reliable two way player. Thats the minimum for me. We're setting ourselves up for disappointment if Frank has to become a star to justify the pick.

Its a bad look if Dennis Smith jr. becomes a 5 time All Star

Let's be clear, it's a "bad look" for those who engage in second guessing and faux outrage in the Internet bubble.

The internet bubble in which you are more than a willing participant.

That's obvious.

Doesn't mean I endorse typical ridiculous behaviors.

No one cares about your endorsements.

And no one cares about premature handwringing over a draft pick.

All the man said was that it wouldn't look good if the Knicks passed up on a player who became a multiple all-star, and you turn it into "faux outrage". You always seem to be the one who is outraged by something someone says here.

Me personally I wouldn't agree with that premise. The success that Smith Jr or any other prospect has with their respective teams doesn't necessarily mean the same success with the Knicks in NY. The draft is a crap shoot as it is. And all you can do is draft based on scouting, sound logic, due diligence. Frank checks a lot of boxes as a prospect. Smith in his scouting report has concerns about character and previous injury but has great tools. If we replayed this same scenario with multiple different prospects. The results would most likely vary.

But I believe the logic behind drafting Frank is pretty sound regardless. Don't know what his ceiling is. People have tried to limit it but the truth is we don't know yet, he doesn't have the amount of possible downside that Smith does when you consider the character concerns and injury. But Smith is more of a sure thing in terms of production imo. But Smith's potential downside is the last thing the Knicks need.

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:either other rookies could care less, or he's not that good,

Arguably, one of the most ignorant conclusions you could have reached.

Already got shot down by folks here who concluded, quite logically, that not having seen Frank play in college or in the SL just might have hurt his chances in this survey.

But hey...don't let logic interfere with your position...right?

Oh...by the way, are the fans of ALL the teams which picked ahead of Dallas apoplectic over this survey? Everybody had a chance to pick Smith, one of the older players chosen in the lottery, I think, and about 2 years older than our guy. Are they up in arms over THEIR team not choosing him, since he seems to be a lock for ROY?

Might want to give Frenchie some time...no?

basically you called yourself ignorant by saying what I said in different words.

I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

"or he's not that good." Not ignorant enough to make this statement YOU made though, am I.

Nothing I said puts me on your level, thankfully.

Nalod completely shot you down with the KP vote. The vote is meaningless, and considering Frenchie did not play in SL or at an American college, the vote becomes ridiculous as far as he is concerned.

Either you were trying to be provocative, or you have no idea of how to reason. Which one was it, bro.

He has possibly half the board(random measurement) trying to figure that out when he post. lol

Look, berman wrote the article, i posted the article because im sure we are all hoping frank turns out great.

Now because i said i would be livid (like thousands of other fans) if he turns out to be trash, one guy say's thats ignorant statement, another guy brings up kp's votes, i don't know what im talking about.

You guys are pretty much trolling because i never said i didn't like frank, never sided with the rookies or the article.

I don't write ignorant sht, just remember, i was the first to praise woodson when he took over, and the first to say he was done, first to call out fisher and put him on the hot seat, was on board with phil and one of the first to say he's not going to make it, and i was never on board with trading melo this off season. lOOK AT HOW IT ALL TURNS OUT..

certain sht you can see early, and some have accused me of been negative, but i hardly ever come back and say i told you this sht was going to happen. Some of you just take longer to realize the inevitable.

But just so you know..FRANK IS MY GUY RIGHT NOW, he' a knick, I'm hoping he's top 3 in his class. If he's not, heads will roll

I will be happy if Frank is a reliable two way player. Thats the minimum for me. We're setting ourselves up for disappointment if Frank has to become a star to justify the pick.

Its a bad look if Dennis Smith jr. becomes a 5 time All Star

Let's be clear, it's a "bad look" for those who engage in second guessing and faux outrage in the Internet bubble.

The internet bubble in which you are more than a willing participant.

That's obvious.

Doesn't mean I endorse typical ridiculous behaviors.

No one cares about your endorsements.

And no one cares about premature handwringing over a draft pick.

All the man said was that it wouldn't look good if the Knicks passed up on a player who became a multiple all-star, and you turn it into "faux outrage". You always seem to be the one who is outraged by something someone says here.

Steph marbury was a multi all star too the question is will dsj make others better because right now that is not the case. He's just a stat stuffer that takes plays off

Didn't DSJ lead the ACC in assists? Sounds like it was a real f'ed up situation there between the coaching staff, and his injury. Some fans might be underestimating Frank's ability to get to the rim, and underestimating DSJ's ability to be a floor general as well. Cant wait to find out.

Didn't step marbury led the league in multi years of averaging over 20 points and 8 assists... stats are just stats if you cant make your teammates better this is especially the case for the point guard position.

Understood. I dont believe you are factoring in that DSJ wasn't on a very good team, but still was able to lead the league. Shows there is an ability to be a floor general. You seem to believe that there is something about his character that will prevent him from becoming one. Too early to tell for sure, but from what I have read, this was a kid trying to make the best out of a bad situation, and sometimes acted like a kid. In college.

Believe its too early to say that DSJ cant be a leader. Thought there was enough in DSJ as a player to take that risk.

Not too long until we get an idea of what Frank brings to the table in actual NBA action. Thats all that counts now.

True, as with all these draft picks, time will tell. I still think Frank has all the ability to become a star two way player in this league. DSJ can be a offensive star if he matures, with that said they have completely different skill sets. So each will be different types of stars if they take their games to that level.

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:either other rookies could care less, or he's not that good,

Arguably, one of the most ignorant conclusions you could have reached.

Already got shot down by folks here who concluded, quite logically, that not having seen Frank play in college or in the SL just might have hurt his chances in this survey.

But hey...don't let logic interfere with your position...right?

Oh...by the way, are the fans of ALL the teams which picked ahead of Dallas apoplectic over this survey? Everybody had a chance to pick Smith, one of the older players chosen in the lottery, I think, and about 2 years older than our guy. Are they up in arms over THEIR team not choosing him, since he seems to be a lock for ROY?

Might want to give Frenchie some time...no?

basically you called yourself ignorant by saying what I said in different words.

I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

"or he's not that good." Not ignorant enough to make this statement YOU made though, am I.

Nothing I said puts me on your level, thankfully.

Nalod completely shot you down with the KP vote. The vote is meaningless, and considering Frenchie did not play in SL or at an American college, the vote becomes ridiculous as far as he is concerned.

Either you were trying to be provocative, or you have no idea of how to reason. Which one was it, bro.

He has possibly half the board(random measurement) trying to figure that out when he post. lol

Look, berman wrote the article, i posted the article because im sure we are all hoping frank turns out great.

Now because i said i would be livid (like thousands of other fans) if he turns out to be trash, one guy say's thats ignorant statement, another guy brings up kp's votes, i don't know what im talking about.

You guys are pretty much trolling because i never said i didn't like frank, never sided with the rookies or the article.

I don't write ignorant sht, just remember, i was the first to praise woodson when he took over, and the first to say he was done, first to call out fisher and put him on the hot seat, was on board with phil and one of the first to say he's not going to make it, and i was never on board with trading melo this off season. lOOK AT HOW IT ALL TURNS OUT..

certain sht you can see early, and some have accused me of been negative, but i hardly ever come back and say i told you this sht was going to happen. Some of you just take longer to realize the inevitable.

But just so you know..FRANK IS MY GUY RIGHT NOW, he' a knick, I'm hoping he's top 3 in his class. If he's not, heads will roll

I will be happy if Frank is a reliable two way player. Thats the minimum for me. We're setting ourselves up for disappointment if Frank has to become a star to justify the pick.

Its a bad look if Dennis Smith jr. becomes a 5 time All Star

Let's be clear, it's a "bad look" for those who engage in second guessing and faux outrage in the Internet bubble.

The internet bubble in which you are more than a willing participant.

That's obvious.

Doesn't mean I endorse typical ridiculous behaviors.

No one cares about your endorsements.

And no one cares about premature handwringing over a draft pick.

All the man said was that it wouldn't look good if the Knicks passed up on a player who became a multiple all-star, and you turn it into "faux outrage". You always seem to be the one who is outraged by something someone says here.

Steph marbury was a multi all star too the question is will dsj make others better because right now that is not the case. He's just a stat stuffer that takes plays off

Didn't DSJ lead the ACC in assists? Sounds like it was a real f'ed up situation there between the coaching staff, and his injury. Some fans might be underestimating Frank's ability to get to the rim, and underestimating DSJ's ability to be a floor general as well. Cant wait to find out.

Didn't step marbury led the league in multi years of averaging over 20 points and 8 assists... stats are just stats if you cant make your teammates better this is especially the case for the point guard position.

Understood. I dont believe you are factoring in that DSJ wasn't on a very good team, but still was able to lead the league. Shows there is an ability to be a floor general. You seem to believe that there is something about his character that will prevent him from becoming one. Too early to tell for sure, but from what I have read, this was a kid trying to make the best out of a bad situation, and sometimes acted like a kid. In college.

Believe its too early to say that DSJ cant be a leader. Thought there was enough in DSJ as a player to take that risk.

Not too long until we get an idea of what Frank brings to the table in actual NBA action. Thats all that counts now.

True, as with all these draft picks, time will tell. I still think Frank has all the ability to become a star two way player in this league. DSJ can be a offensive star if he matures, with that said they have completely different skill sets. So each will be different types of stars if they take their games to that level.

Agreed

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:either other rookies could care less, or he's not that good,

Arguably, one of the most ignorant conclusions you could have reached.

Already got shot down by folks here who concluded, quite logically, that not having seen Frank play in college or in the SL just might have hurt his chances in this survey.

But hey...don't let logic interfere with your position...right?

Oh...by the way, are the fans of ALL the teams which picked ahead of Dallas apoplectic over this survey? Everybody had a chance to pick Smith, one of the older players chosen in the lottery, I think, and about 2 years older than our guy. Are they up in arms over THEIR team not choosing him, since he seems to be a lock for ROY?

Might want to give Frenchie some time...no?

basically you called yourself ignorant by saying what I said in different words.

I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

"or he's not that good." Not ignorant enough to make this statement YOU made though, am I.

Nothing I said puts me on your level, thankfully.

Nalod completely shot you down with the KP vote. The vote is meaningless, and considering Frenchie did not play in SL or at an American college, the vote becomes ridiculous as far as he is concerned.

Either you were trying to be provocative, or you have no idea of how to reason. Which one was it, bro.

He has possibly half the board(random measurement) trying to figure that out when he post. lol

Look, berman wrote the article, i posted the article because im sure we are all hoping frank turns out great.

Now because i said i would be livid (like thousands of other fans) if he turns out to be trash, one guy say's thats ignorant statement, another guy brings up kp's votes, i don't know what im talking about.

You guys are pretty much trolling because i never said i didn't like frank, never sided with the rookies or the article.

I don't write ignorant sht, just remember, i was the first to praise woodson when he took over, and the first to say he was done, first to call out fisher and put him on the hot seat, was on board with phil and one of the first to say he's not going to make it, and i was never on board with trading melo this off season. lOOK AT HOW IT ALL TURNS OUT..

certain sht you can see early, and some have accused me of been negative, but i hardly ever come back and say i told you this sht was going to happen. Some of you just take longer to realize the inevitable.

But just so you know..FRANK IS MY GUY RIGHT NOW, he' a knick, I'm hoping he's top 3 in his class. If he's not, heads will roll

I will be happy if Frank is a reliable two way player. Thats the minimum for me. We're setting ourselves up for disappointment if Frank has to become a star to justify the pick.

Its a bad look if Dennis Smith jr. becomes a 5 time All Star

Let's be clear, it's a "bad look" for those who engage in second guessing and faux outrage in the Internet bubble.

The internet bubble in which you are more than a willing participant.

That's obvious.

Doesn't mean I endorse typical ridiculous behaviors.

No one cares about your endorsements.

And no one cares about premature handwringing over a draft pick.

All the man said was that it wouldn't look good if the Knicks passed up on a player who became a multiple all-star, and you turn it into "faux outrage". You always seem to be the one who is outraged by something someone says here.

Steph marbury was a multi all star too the question is will dsj make others better because right now that is not the case. He's just a stat stuffer that takes plays off

Didn't DSJ lead the ACC in assists? Sounds like it was a real f'ed up situation there between the coaching staff, and his injury. Some fans might be underestimating Frank's ability to get to the rim, and underestimating DSJ's ability to be a floor general as well. Cant wait to find out.

Didn't step marbury led the league in multi years of averaging over 20 points and 8 assists... stats are just stats if you cant make your teammates better this is especially the case for the point guard position.

Understood. I dont believe you are factoring in that DSJ wasn't on a very good team, but still was able to lead the league. Shows there is an ability to be a floor general. You seem to believe that there is something about his character that will prevent him from becoming one. Too early to tell for sure, but from what I have read, this was a kid trying to make the best out of a bad situation, and sometimes acted like a kid. In college.

Believe its too early to say that DSJ cant be a leader. Thought there was enough in DSJ as a player to take that risk.

Not too long until we get an idea of what Frank brings to the table in actual NBA action. Thats all that counts now.

True, as with all these draft picks, time will tell. I still think Frank has all the ability to become a star two way player in this league. DSJ can be a offensive star if he matures, with that said they have completely different skill sets. So each will be different types of stars if they take their games to that level.

Agreed

How do you come to that conclusion with haven't seen anything but youtube highlights. do you think rambis or jh can turn this kid into a really good player?

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knicks1248 wrote:either other rookies could care less, or he's not that good,

Arguably, one of the most ignorant conclusions you could have reached.

Already got shot down by folks here who concluded, quite logically, that not having seen Frank play in college or in the SL just might have hurt his chances in this survey.

But hey...don't let logic interfere with your position...right?

Oh...by the way, are the fans of ALL the teams which picked ahead of Dallas apoplectic over this survey? Everybody had a chance to pick Smith, one of the older players chosen in the lottery, I think, and about 2 years older than our guy. Are they up in arms over THEIR team not choosing him, since he seems to be a lock for ROY?

Might want to give Frenchie some time...no?

basically you called yourself ignorant by saying what I said in different words.

I already said other rookies have little to no knowledge of who he really is, neither do we, so wtf are you talking about?

In fact, we really don't know what any of the rookies will amount to

"or he's not that good." Not ignorant enough to make this statement YOU made though, am I.

Nothing I said puts me on your level, thankfully.

Nalod completely shot you down with the KP vote. The vote is meaningless, and considering Frenchie did not play in SL or at an American college, the vote becomes ridiculous as far as he is concerned.

Either you were trying to be provocative, or you have no idea of how to reason. Which one was it, bro.

He has possibly half the board(random measurement) trying to figure that out when he post. lol

Look, berman wrote the article, i posted the article because im sure we are all hoping frank turns out great.

Now because i said i would be livid (like thousands of other fans) if he turns out to be trash, one guy say's thats ignorant statement, another guy brings up kp's votes, i don't know what im talking about.

You guys are pretty much trolling because i never said i didn't like frank, never sided with the rookies or the article.

I don't write ignorant sht, just remember, i was the first to praise woodson when he took over, and the first to say he was done, first to call out fisher and put him on the hot seat, was on board with phil and one of the first to say he's not going to make it, and i was never on board with trading melo this off season. lOOK AT HOW IT ALL TURNS OUT..

certain sht you can see early, and some have accused me of been negative, but i hardly ever come back and say i told you this sht was going to happen. Some of you just take longer to realize the inevitable.

But just so you know..FRANK IS MY GUY RIGHT NOW, he' a knick, I'm hoping he's top 3 in his class. If he's not, heads will roll

I will be happy if Frank is a reliable two way player. Thats the minimum for me. We're setting ourselves up for disappointment if Frank has to become a star to justify the pick.

Its a bad look if Dennis Smith jr. becomes a 5 time All Star

Let's be clear, it's a "bad look" for those who engage in second guessing and faux outrage in the Internet bubble.

The internet bubble in which you are more than a willing participant.

That's obvious.

Doesn't mean I endorse typical ridiculous behaviors.

No one cares about your endorsements.

And no one cares about premature handwringing over a draft pick.

All the man said was that it wouldn't look good if the Knicks passed up on a player who became a multiple all-star, and you turn it into "faux outrage". You always seem to be the one who is outraged by something someone says here.

Steph marbury was a multi all star too the question is will dsj make others better because right now that is not the case. He's just a stat stuffer that takes plays off

Didn't DSJ lead the ACC in assists? Sounds like it was a real f'ed up situation there between the coaching staff, and his injury. Some fans might be underestimating Frank's ability to get to the rim, and underestimating DSJ's ability to be a floor general as well. Cant wait to find out.

Didn't step marbury led the league in multi years of averaging over 20 points and 8 assists... stats are just stats if you cant make your teammates better this is especially the case for the point guard position.

Understood. I dont believe you are factoring in that DSJ wasn't on a very good team, but still was able to lead the league. Shows there is an ability to be a floor general. You seem to believe that there is something about his character that will prevent him from becoming one. Too early to tell for sure, but from what I have read, this was a kid trying to make the best out of a bad situation, and sometimes acted like a kid. In college.

Believe its too early to say that DSJ cant be a leader. Thought there was enough in DSJ as a player to take that risk.

Not too long until we get an idea of what Frank brings to the table in actual NBA action. Thats all that counts now.

True, as with all these draft picks, time will tell. I still think Frank has all the ability to become a star two way player in this league. DSJ can be a offensive star if he matures, with that said they have completely different skill sets. So each will be different types of stars if they take their games to that level.

Agreed

How do you come to that conclusion with haven't seen anything but youtube highlights. do you think rambis or jh can turn this kid into a really good player?

Again Frankie is a sharp shooter, dsj is not, Frankie is a proven winner/leader in France, DSJ is not in America,Frankie is the supior defender, DSJ is average at best on defense and that's when he is not taking plays off. Frankie makes his teammates better and wills his team to victory, brings his teams in France to championships. Dsj dose not have that track record. Is DSJ a highlight reel stat stuffer yea, so was stephon marbury, and Steve Frances. Both players were chased outta the league.

JH doesn't have to turn a kid into a really good player when he already has a track record of being a really good player.

The knicks drafted the better prospect if you take the time and watch his full games you will see why the knicks drafted frank over DSJ... until you do don't make the assumption that we blew it.

Funny the same could be said by fans about KP before they saw him play, I was ecstatic when we drafted KP he was number 2 on my board after KAT and most people booed him.

Again frank is a long sharp shooting, lock down defensive player that makes his teammates better. His defensive grit and toughness rubs off on his teammates, his older teammates looked at frank for leadership.

Again just type in franks full name and full games into google