nykshaknbake wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Like him, but to be honest he is a fringe rotation player on a bad team.

How do you know that?

It prevents us from getting any veteran PG help for now.

How do you know that?

Watched him play. He wouldn't see anything but garbage minutes on most NBA teams. Veteran PG help requires money. Something which we no longer have.

Right, so you can project the career of all rookies based on their first seasons.

That's a marketable skill that should earn you a pretty good living.

Knickoftime wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:Like him, but to be honest he is a fringe rotation player on a bad team.

How do you know that?

It prevents us from getting any veteran PG help for now.

How do you know that?

Watched him play. He wouldn't see anything but garbage minutes on most NBA teams. Veteran PG help requires money. Something which we no longer have.

Right, so you can project the career of all rookies based on their first seasons.

That's a marketable skill that should earn you a pretty good living.

NBA free agency 2017 - Best and worst moves on Day 11
by Kevin Pelton on 2017-07-14 09:07:00 UTC (original: http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/19966056/nba-free-agency-2017-best-worst-moves-day-11)

On Day 11 of NBA free agency, here's our team-by-team analysis of the major and minor deals.

Updates on each deal will be posted here throughout the day.

All deals listed alphabetically by team.

Detroit Pistons
1. Agreed to a reported one-year, $3.3 million deal with forward Anthony Tolliver

This is a return to Pistons for Tolliver, who played nearly two seasons in Detroit before signing with the Sacramento Kings last summer. Bringing back Tolliver, a stretch-4, seems to signal Tobias Harris will play more small forward this season with the Marcus Morris trade and that Jon Leuer might play more center with the departure of Aron Baynes.

In value terms, Tolliver at $3.3 million is a solid deal for the Pistons. The one question here is whether they might have gotten more value from their biannual exception next summer, when the market for free agents is likely to be tight. (As the name implies, teams can use the biannual exception every other year.) Tolliver's addition probably comes close to completing Detroit's roster. The Pistons have 15 players under contract now, though Michael Gbinije and Eric Moreland have partially guaranteed salaries.

New York Knicks
1. Agreed to a reported two-year, $9 million deal with guard Ron Baker

One of the biggest mistakes teams can make is falling in love with their own finds. As an undrafted rookie making the minimum salary, Baker was a find for the Knicks, starting 13 games and playing 857 minutes after making the team in training camp. But it's easy to overstate how well he played.

Though New York used Baker primarily at point guard last season, he's really more of a combo guard, the role he played in college. Baker's assist rate was below average for a point guard, as was his turnover rate. To be a useful NBA player, Baker will also have to bounce back from 3-point range. A 36.9 percent career 3-point shooter at Wichita State, Baker shot just 26.7 percent from the NBA line as a rookie, a major reason his true shooting percentage was a dismal .456.

Baker's salary ($9 million over two years) isn't especially problematic in and of itself. The issue is the team's management of resources. The Knicks used the entirety of their room midlevel to re-sign Baker, and that was their only avenue to add players making more than the veteran's minimum after landing Tim Hardaway Jr. on a four-year, $71 million offer sheet. Barring a trade, New York's point guards next season will be Baker, 18-year-old rookie Frank Ntilikina and a free agent signed at the minimum. That projects as the league's worst point guard rotation by a wide margin.

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As ESPN's Bobby Marks notes, before signing Baker the Knicks can still use their small sliver of remaining cap space to sign second-round pick Damyean Dotson to a contract longer than two years. That will prevent a repeat of this situation. Baker was a free agent this summer because New York signed him to a one-year contract instead of a longer one that would have enabled the Knicks to retain him at a much lower price.

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And, I am not sure if we still have his early bird right? I think we renounced him or something before we gave him this contract (in order to make room for THjr?) I read something like that but is too busy to recheck it.

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Maybe this means they are clearing cap in the Melo deal. It could also mean they are running with Ron, Frank and possibly a guy they get in the Melo deal.

I think mostly it means they just resigned Baker and wanted to let everyone know.

This sound about right

26% 3pt shooting
37% fg shooting

Gets you 9 million dollars

I'm starting to think mills negotiated the Noah deal and Melos contract

Knickoftime wrote:

Welpee wrote:Congrats to Ron Baker but I really don't think he's that good.

He wasn't.

But the idea is since he was just a rookie, he'll get better.

CrushAlot wrote:Espn Insider Free Agency Day 11 Best and Worst Moves

NBA free agency 2017 - Best and worst moves on Day 11
by Kevin Pelton on 2017-07-14 09:07:00 UTC (original: http://insider.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/19966056/nba-free-agency-2017-best-worst-moves-day-11)

On Day 11 of NBA free agency, here's our team-by-team analysis of the major and minor deals.

Updates on each deal will be posted here throughout the day.

All deals listed alphabetically by team.

Detroit Pistons
1. Agreed to a reported one-year, $3.3 million deal with forward Anthony Tolliver

This is a return to Pistons for Tolliver, who played nearly two seasons in Detroit before signing with the Sacramento Kings last summer. Bringing back Tolliver, a stretch-4, seems to signal Tobias Harris will play more small forward this season with the Marcus Morris trade and that Jon Leuer might play more center with the departure of Aron Baynes.

In value terms, Tolliver at $3.3 million is a solid deal for the Pistons. The one question here is whether they might have gotten more value from their biannual exception next summer, when the market for free agents is likely to be tight. (As the name implies, teams can use the biannual exception every other year.) Tolliver's addition probably comes close to completing Detroit's roster. The Pistons have 15 players under contract now, though Michael Gbinije and Eric Moreland have partially guaranteed salaries.

New York Knicks
1. Agreed to a reported two-year, $9 million deal with guard Ron Baker

One of the biggest mistakes teams can make is falling in love with their own finds. As an undrafted rookie making the minimum salary, Baker was a find for the Knicks, starting 13 games and playing 857 minutes after making the team in training camp. But it's easy to overstate how well he played.

Though New York used Baker primarily at point guard last season, he's really more of a combo guard, the role he played in college. Baker's assist rate was below average for a point guard, as was his turnover rate. To be a useful NBA player, Baker will also have to bounce back from 3-point range. A 36.9 percent career 3-point shooter at Wichita State, Baker shot just 26.7 percent from the NBA line as a rookie, a major reason his true shooting percentage was a dismal .456.

Baker's salary ($9 million over two years) isn't especially problematic in and of itself. The issue is the team's management of resources. The Knicks used the entirety of their room midlevel to re-sign Baker, and that was their only avenue to add players making more than the veteran's minimum after landing Tim Hardaway Jr. on a four-year, $71 million offer sheet. Barring a trade, New York's point guards next season will be Baker, 18-year-old rookie Frank Ntilikina and a free agent signed at the minimum. That projects as the league's worst point guard rotation by a wide margin.

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As ESPN's Bobby Marks notes, before signing Baker the Knicks can still use their small sliver of remaining cap space to sign second-round pick Damyean Dotson to a contract longer than two years. That will prevent a repeat of this situation. Baker was a free agent this summer because New York signed him to a one-year contract instead of a longer one that would have enabled the Knicks to retain him at a much lower price.

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Can we no longer sign Dotson to a 2-3 year deal?

ccinflushing wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

ccinflushing wrote:

ccinflushing wrote:They used the room exception .. definitely an overpay but another way to look at it is by doing this they avoided being poisin pilled on a 4 year contract with major escalations in years 3 and 4 .. since Ron is a Gilbert Arenas free agent

They desperately wanted Ron back and overpaid on a short term contract instead of being forced to match an offer sheet which might have 4 years long and very expensive - didn't want to take that rosk..

Can they get some cap space back too? For example, a player with a non-guarenteed contract, who they can simply waive. I thought houston had or was looking for those type of contracts. That could open some more space too.

Not sure what your question is - they renounced Ron's qualifying offer which created about $700k in additional cap space and used an exception to resign him which was limited to 2 years in length

My point is that until the Melo trade happens, the cap space is not set yet. If they get guys that have a non guarenteed contract they could be waived and thus open space for a PG signing.

Also to sign Rondo it would be a S&T anyway.