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nixluva
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7/10/2017  5:59 PM
I wanted Monk because he plays off the ball and would not have a problem giving it up to his teammates. He's not Ball Dominant. Nitty is similar but more versatile due to his size and length. You can play Nitty next to anyone and he'll adapt to the role. Nitty isn't a walking highlight reel but he's athletic enough.

I think Phil stuck to his prototype Big Combo Guard that can defend, play smart team basketball. He has his reasons for this and they're sound ones. Nitty can guard 1-3 and that added flexibility only helps strengthen team D. DSJ is clearly a top talent as we all knew but we've seen guys just like him that never won anything. Just cuz you have that kind of talent at PG doesn't mean it's going to be part of a winning formula. It's gonna be interesting to watch how the players from this draft pan out.

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7/10/2017  6:04 PM
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newyorknewyork wrote:

Kris Dunn summer league 2016

Yeah, your right. He is probably not that good. And Frank is the next Gallinari.

Don't think its logical to come to any conclusions on what anyone will be right now. So far he looks smooth yet explosive. And has shown nice command over a team as the PG. Next step would be pre season, then his rookie year. The progressive steps players must take before NBA hands out HOF jackets.

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7/11/2017  6:57 AM
nixluva wrote:I wanted Monk because he plays off the ball and would not have a problem giving it up to his teammates. He's not Ball Dominant. Nitty is similar but more versatile due to his size and length. You can play Nitty next to anyone and he'll adapt to the role. Nitty isn't a walking highlight reel but he's athletic enough.

I think Phil stuck to his prototype Big Combo Guard that can defend, play smart team basketball. He has his reasons for this and they're sound ones. Nitty can guard 1-3 and that added flexibility only helps strengthen team D. DSJ is clearly a top talent as we all knew but we've seen guys just like him that never won anything. Just cuz you have that kind of talent at PG doesn't mean it's going to be part of a winning formula. It's gonna be interesting to watch how the players from this draft pan out.

I hear this a lot never "won anything", or "winning basketball". Unless your the best couple players on the team those "winning players" could be replaced with 3 dozen other guys if not more for the same results. Derek Fisher won a lot, would you rather have him instead of Russel Westbrook or James Harden? In the NBA I take the most talented guy and let the coaches sort it out. This kind of thinking had us pass on Demar Derozan for Jordan Hill. Now we have Dennis Smith Jr. who is compared to Derrick Rose with a jump shot, and people dismiss that. Oh he is like Derrick Rose, we don't want him he sucks, Derrick Rose won a frickin MVP. You get a talent like Rose at 8 I think you chalk that up as a win. Nitty might be a fine player but from I've seen of both, Dennis Smith Jr. is light years better.

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7/11/2017  7:03 AM
NYKBocker wrote:Smith would have been a bad pairing with KP and Willy. We needed a PG that will set them up. Dennis is in the Rose/Stevie Franchise mold...Janis would have gone ape ****.

Or have a coach that can make it work, the NBA is about high level talent. Im not sure Nitty has it. I wasn't impressed with any game I watched on Youtube. I will say this though Porzingis had crappy Euro tape too and when he got to the NBA he looked a lot better. Maybe they stunt individual talent in Europe

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7/11/2017  7:47 AM
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NYKBocker wrote:Smith would have been a bad pairing with KP and Willy. We needed a PG that will set them up. Dennis is in the Rose/Stevie Franchise mold...Janis would have gone ape ****.

Or have a coach that can make it work, the NBA is about high level talent. Im not sure Nitty has it. I wasn't impressed with any game I watched on Youtube. I will say this though Porzingis had crappy Euro tape too and when he got to the NBA he looked a lot better. Maybe they stunt individual talent in Europe

I disagree- I think my concern going in to the draft, not having watched any actual game play, was DSj was being compared to Rose & Stevie Franchise.

However, having actually watched him play in summer league, you can see he is a legit PG with excellent court awareness. Maybe not on Ball's level, but excellent.

Unfortunately, we haven't seen any of Frank, so its tough.

If we're actually projected what KP and his team are thinking, they might be thinking the same thing - we passed on a better talent for triangular fit- and I think that is why KP skipped his exit meeting, and why we endeavored to fix it by firing Phil.

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7/11/2017  6:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/11/2017  6:21 PM
This afternoon on one of the NBA radio shows they did a listing of a bunch of players who were summer league MVPs who didn't do jack in the league. Just FYI.
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7/11/2017  6:21 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
nixluva wrote:I wanted Monk because he plays off the ball and would not have a problem giving it up to his teammates. He's not Ball Dominant. Nitty is similar but more versatile due to his size and length. You can play Nitty next to anyone and he'll adapt to the role. Nitty isn't a walking highlight reel but he's athletic enough.

I think Phil stuck to his prototype Big Combo Guard that can defend, play smart team basketball. He has his reasons for this and they're sound ones. Nitty can guard 1-3 and that added flexibility only helps strengthen team D. DSJ is clearly a top talent as we all knew but we've seen guys just like him that never won anything. Just cuz you have that kind of talent at PG doesn't mean it's going to be part of a winning formula. It's gonna be interesting to watch how the players from this draft pan out.

I hear this a lot never "won anything", or "winning basketball". Unless your the best couple players on the team those "winning players" could be replaced with 3 dozen other guys if not more for the same results. Derek Fisher won a lot, would you rather have him instead of Russel Westbrook or James Harden? In the NBA I take the most talented guy and let the coaches sort it out. This kind of thinking had us pass on Demar Derozan for Jordan Hill. Now we have Dennis Smith Jr. who is compared to Derrick Rose with a jump shot, and people dismiss that. Oh he is like Derrick Rose, we don't want him he sucks, Derrick Rose won a frickin MVP. You get a talent like Rose at 8 I think you chalk that up as a win. Nitty might be a fine player but from I've seen of both, Dennis Smith Jr. is light years better.

Paul Pierce won a lot, would I rather him instead of Vince Carter? Yes. Chauncey Billups won a lot, would I rather have prime Billups over prime A.I.? I would. Like I said before, I would take guys who contribute to winning over guys putting up stats.
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7/11/2017  7:04 PM
Welpee wrote:This afternoon on one of the NBA radio shows they did a listing of a bunch of players who were summer league MVPs who didn't do jack in the league. Just FYI.

Its early, fans see DSJ tearing up SL, and Frank still hasn't played yet. The more I hear about Smith making waves, the more I want to see Frank on the court. I wanted DSJ to be picked, going to be po'd if he ends up being ROY.

Helps that Frank seems to have the right attitude, just hope he ends up being more than a pick for a dead system.

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7/11/2017  8:07 PM
Apparently Dallas has a psychologist that interviews their draft prospects. He said that Smith's was the most impressive interview that he ad ever done.
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7/11/2017  8:54 PM
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Jmpasq wrote:
nixluva wrote:I wanted Monk because he plays off the ball and would not have a problem giving it up to his teammates. He's not Ball Dominant. Nitty is similar but more versatile due to his size and length. You can play Nitty next to anyone and he'll adapt to the role. Nitty isn't a walking highlight reel but he's athletic enough.

I think Phil stuck to his prototype Big Combo Guard that can defend, play smart team basketball. He has his reasons for this and they're sound ones. Nitty can guard 1-3 and that added flexibility only helps strengthen team D. DSJ is clearly a top talent as we all knew but we've seen guys just like him that never won anything. Just cuz you have that kind of talent at PG doesn't mean it's going to be part of a winning formula. It's gonna be interesting to watch how the players from this draft pan out.

I hear this a lot never "won anything", or "winning basketball". Unless your the best couple players on the team those "winning players" could be replaced with 3 dozen other guys if not more for the same results. Derek Fisher won a lot, would you rather have him instead of Russel Westbrook or James Harden? In the NBA I take the most talented guy and let the coaches sort it out. This kind of thinking had us pass on Demar Derozan for Jordan Hill. Now we have Dennis Smith Jr. who is compared to Derrick Rose with a jump shot, and people dismiss that. Oh he is like Derrick Rose, we don't want him he sucks, Derrick Rose won a frickin MVP. You get a talent like Rose at 8 I think you chalk that up as a win. Nitty might be a fine player but from I've seen of both, Dennis Smith Jr. is light years better.

Paul Pierce won a lot, would I rather him instead of Vince Carter? Yes. Chauncey Billups won a lot, would I rather have prime Billups over prime A.I.? I would. Like I said before, I would take guys who contribute to winning over guys putting up stats.

I will take the highest level talent to me thats Smith by a very long margin. Winning basketball is determined by a lot more factors than 1 guy playing the "right way". If Iverson ends up in Boston he wins a title.
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7/11/2017  9:17 PM
An Aussie friend "my lucks so bad if it was raining virgins, I'd probably get washed away with a poofta"

Please Smith and/or Monk were no brainers once Fox was top 5.

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7/11/2017  9:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/11/2017  9:46 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
Welpee wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
nixluva wrote:I wanted Monk because he plays off the ball and would not have a problem giving it up to his teammates. He's not Ball Dominant. Nitty is similar but more versatile due to his size and length. You can play Nitty next to anyone and he'll adapt to the role. Nitty isn't a walking highlight reel but he's athletic enough.

I think Phil stuck to his prototype Big Combo Guard that can defend, play smart team basketball. He has his reasons for this and they're sound ones. Nitty can guard 1-3 and that added flexibility only helps strengthen team D. DSJ is clearly a top talent as we all knew but we've seen guys just like him that never won anything. Just cuz you have that kind of talent at PG doesn't mean it's going to be part of a winning formula. It's gonna be interesting to watch how the players from this draft pan out.

I hear this a lot never "won anything", or "winning basketball". Unless your the best couple players on the team those "winning players" could be replaced with 3 dozen other guys if not more for the same results. Derek Fisher won a lot, would you rather have him instead of Russel Westbrook or James Harden? In the NBA I take the most talented guy and let the coaches sort it out. This kind of thinking had us pass on Demar Derozan for Jordan Hill. Now we have Dennis Smith Jr. who is compared to Derrick Rose with a jump shot, and people dismiss that. Oh he is like Derrick Rose, we don't want him he sucks, Derrick Rose won a frickin MVP. You get a talent like Rose at 8 I think you chalk that up as a win. Nitty might be a fine player but from I've seen of both, Dennis Smith Jr. is light years better.

Paul Pierce won a lot, would I rather him instead of Vince Carter? Yes. Chauncey Billups won a lot, would I rather have prime Billups over prime A.I.? I would. Like I said before, I would take guys who contribute to winning over guys putting up stats.

I will take the highest level talent to me thats Smith by a very long margin. Winning basketball is determined by a lot more factors than 1 guy playing the "right way". If Iverson ends up in Boston he wins a title.
That mentality may work in fantasy hoops, not so much in real life. If you really think if you pulled Billups and just plugged in Iverson and the results would be the same I don't know what to tell you.

Funny how when Denver got rid of Iverson and replaced him with Billups they immediately went to the western conference finals. But I'm sure you'll post an excuse why that happened.

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7/11/2017  10:29 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Apparently Dallas has a psychologist that interviews their draft prospects. He said that Smith's was the most impressive interview that he ad ever done.

I'm sure it could be true, but Dallas will put that out there regardless. The extent they are going to let it be known they wanted Smith all along is extremely forced and doesn't seem genuine at all. Ntilikina was clearly their guy.

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7/13/2017  11:05 PM

Spectacular dunk attempt by Smith...but it feeds into something I was going to post about him the other day.

Look at his landing...This guy is an injury waiting to happen.

Would I love to have a dunk like that for my team in a big situation...Yup, but if he wants to play like this he will end up being another Rose.

Gravity and the laws of physics, can be a bytch when it comes to the human body.

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7/13/2017  11:16 PM
This guy is a true talent and has a great feel for the game. We have not seen Frankie yet but right now it looks like we should've taken D.Smith Jr.

Any player is susceptible to injury. This kid has a competitive spirit that champions need to have.
He would've brought some electricity to the garden.. too bad we have executives that trip over their own feet.

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7/13/2017  11:44 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:

Spectacular dunk attempt by Smith...but it feeds into something I was going to post about him the other day.

Look at his landing...This guy is an injury waiting to happen.

Would I love to have a dunk like that for my team in a big situation...Yup, but if he wants to play like this he will end up being another Rose.

Gravity and the laws of physics, can be a bytch when it comes to the human body.

How about Michael Jordan? Spectacular, no major injuries I can think of. You never know

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7/13/2017  11:47 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:

Spectacular dunk attempt by Smith...but it feeds into something I was going to post about him the other day.

Look at his landing...This guy is an injury waiting to happen.

Would I love to have a dunk like that for my team in a big situation...Yup, but if he wants to play like this he will end up being another Rose.

Gravity and the laws of physics, can be a bytch when it comes to the human body.

That's probably how you want him to land in that situation and not all stiff kneed plus his hands and upper body absorbed some of the force.

I personally could care less about the dunk attempt the guy plays like a true pg.

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7/14/2017  12:54 AM
TLover wrote:This guy is a true talent and has a great feel for the game. We have not seen Frankie yet but right now it looks like we should've taken D.Smith Jr.

Any player is susceptible to injury. This kid has a competitive spirit that champions need to have.
He would've brought some electricity to the garden.. too bad we have executives that trip over their own feet.


Why not wait so see what Ntilikina does. Smith is almost a full 2 years older, by the way. Different body types, but Smith is clearly more mature physically at this point.

I would have been fine with Smith, though I wanted Ntilikina.

I also prefer consistency and intelligent play over electricity, by the way, a player who makes others around him better. That was Rose's issue, by the way

Seem to recall some of the same doubt with Porzingis. Looks like Smith will be the next Justice Winslow or Mudiay...or maybe Stein, in terms of the guy we should have taken before the person we picked.

Patience is a virtue...at least that is what someone once said. Maybe Smith ends up being the choice we should have made, but I'd say it's a bit too early to make such a judgment right now, though I expect some of you to be doing it on a regular basis, especially if Smith has a good game.

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7/14/2017  1:05 AM
Didn't read thru the thread, so this may have come up. But I'm not worried on DSjr - I think Frank will become one of the 'steals' of the draft and be a cornerstone player for us. That said, I am pissed that we didn't do something to get another 1st so we could land Jordan Bell - the guy Briggs was touting early. Man, talk about lighting up the SL - he had a 5x5 on Tuesday night, finishing _+27_ with five points, 11 rebounds, five assists, five steals and six blocks. !!!!! This after a night where he had six points, 16 rebounds, and three blocked shots. Damn.
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7/14/2017  7:55 AM
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We may regret passing on Dennis Smith Jr

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