newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Berman of the post cleared the air. Longstaff was fired long before this. Before KP skipped the meeting. Completely changes the narrative.

Link: http://nypost.com/2017/05/23/the-real-reason-behind-firing-of-a-kristaps-porzingis-favorite/

Perhaps this was part of KP's little hissy fit at exit meeting time? Not Phil being vindictive as some of you would liked?
Whats next? "Concession hot dog vender "Mike the hot dawg guy" was moved fem the lower lodge seating to the blue seats, in what is an obvious move by phil to continue to disrupt KP's pre game routine of waving to him........."
or....
"In an obvious move to shake up the culture of the garden, Lorenzo smith, one of the security guards in the parking area in the service tunnel got a new job in queens. Some garden staffers think it was a deliberate snub by phil as he did not match the raise he received. An ananomous source said "No man, "Renzo lives in queens, its like 10 minutes from his apartment and he gets to spend more time with is new baby girl!". The security guard was friendly with many of the players, including Melo who usually kept a good parking spot for him. With Lorenzo gone, its not sure if Melo will lift his NTC. Just another example of Phil being short sighted?

I actually think it may have factored into KP skipping the meeting. He clearly wouldn't agree with this. But it makes perfect sense that it happened long before it was reported.

When did KP hear about Longstaff not being renewed?

Sounds like Phil is trying to get his side of the story out with this article. This is good news because it looks like an attempt by Phil to bring the temperature down between the Knicks and Porzingis. Too many times we've seen the opposite approach, so this is a welcome development.

If the reporting was done properly then there would be no need for Phil to turn down the temperature. He has to interrupt his attention and energy that should be used for scouting and working the phones building possible trade packages or scouting players already in the NBA to see fits that other team may want to dump.

Phil didn't retain Longstaff which in Phil's eyes *will improve the Knicks* since Longstaff apparently didn't work well with the other coaches besides Bliss.

But how does any of the false narratives and negative attention created by the media *help the Knicks*??

Of course Phil had to turn down the temperature. Phil's passive aggressive tweets, unnecessary comments about players through the media. Hiring Rambis (apparently the highest paid assistant in the league), in spite of being one of the worst coaches in NBA history. His only talent seems to be pissing off players.

No other team president as far as I can tell has made things more unnecessarily complicated. From the mandated system, to antagonizing players. Chalking all this up to being the media's fault is creating a very false narrative. As I said, Phil trying to cool things down is a good thing. Hope its a change in direction.

Media's job is to report the news and uncover truth. Not make **** up. In this case Berman is the only one who seems to have done did his job. Longstaff was not renewed but it was reported that he was fired. The decision to not renew Longstaff was decided before KPs exit meeting. Not to be vindictive toward KP for missing out on the exit meeting. KPs actions of missing the exit meeting created this narrative not Phil's tweeting history. The reasoning for Longstaff not being renewed was said to be because he didn't work well with other coaches on staff. Doing actual reporting work by Berman seems to have uncovered the reasoning rather then spewing out a agenda driven narrative. So Phil did not act dysfunctional but Longstaff may have caused some type of dysfunction within the coaching staff and this move might clean up some of that up.

Everything you named Phil has done at the end of the day is what he believes will help make the Knicks better. Based off his track record of dealing with personalities to championships there might be something to that. Rambis may or may not suck as a head coach since he never really had talented teams to work with. But I doubt that you can give an honest assessment of his abilities as an assistant to claim what he should or shouldn't be getting paid. .

Yeah, all he did was just show one side of the narrative and that narrative may or may not be true. Does not work well with others always seem to be an easy narrative to put out there.

yellowboy90 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Berman of the post cleared the air. Longstaff was fired long before this. Before KP skipped the meeting. Completely changes the narrative.

Link: http://nypost.com/2017/05/23/the-real-reason-behind-firing-of-a-kristaps-porzingis-favorite/

Perhaps this was part of KP's little hissy fit at exit meeting time? Not Phil being vindictive as some of you would liked?
Whats next? "Concession hot dog vender "Mike the hot dawg guy" was moved fem the lower lodge seating to the blue seats, in what is an obvious move by phil to continue to disrupt KP's pre game routine of waving to him........."
or....
"In an obvious move to shake up the culture of the garden, Lorenzo smith, one of the security guards in the parking area in the service tunnel got a new job in queens. Some garden staffers think it was a deliberate snub by phil as he did not match the raise he received. An ananomous source said "No man, "Renzo lives in queens, its like 10 minutes from his apartment and he gets to spend more time with is new baby girl!". The security guard was friendly with many of the players, including Melo who usually kept a good parking spot for him. With Lorenzo gone, its not sure if Melo will lift his NTC. Just another example of Phil being short sighted?

I actually think it may have factored into KP skipping the meeting. He clearly wouldn't agree with this. But it makes perfect sense that it happened long before it was reported.

When did KP hear about Longstaff not being renewed?

Sounds like Phil is trying to get his side of the story out with this article. This is good news because it looks like an attempt by Phil to bring the temperature down between the Knicks and Porzingis. Too many times we've seen the opposite approach, so this is a welcome development.

If the reporting was done properly then there would be no need for Phil to turn down the temperature. He has to interrupt his attention and energy that should be used for scouting and working the phones building possible trade packages or scouting players already in the NBA to see fits that other team may want to dump.

Phil didn't retain Longstaff which in Phil's eyes *will improve the Knicks* since Longstaff apparently didn't work well with the other coaches besides Bliss.

But how does any of the false narratives and negative attention created by the media *help the Knicks*??

Of course Phil had to turn down the temperature. Phil's passive aggressive tweets, unnecessary comments about players through the media. Hiring Rambis (apparently the highest paid assistant in the league), in spite of being one of the worst coaches in NBA history. His only talent seems to be pissing off players.

No other team president as far as I can tell has made things more unnecessarily complicated. From the mandated system, to antagonizing players. Chalking all this up to being the media's fault is creating a very false narrative. As I said, Phil trying to cool things down is a good thing. Hope its a change in direction.

Media's job is to report the news and uncover truth. Not make **** up. In this case Berman is the only one who seems to have done did his job. Longstaff was not renewed but it was reported that he was fired. The decision to not renew Longstaff was decided before KPs exit meeting. Not to be vindictive toward KP for missing out on the exit meeting. KPs actions of missing the exit meeting created this narrative not Phil's tweeting history. The reasoning for Longstaff not being renewed was said to be because he didn't work well with other coaches on staff. Doing actual reporting work by Berman seems to have uncovered the reasoning rather then spewing out a agenda driven narrative. So Phil did not act dysfunctional but Longstaff may have caused some type of dysfunction within the coaching staff and this move might clean up some of that up.

Everything you named Phil has done at the end of the day is what he believes will help make the Knicks better. Based off his track record of dealing with personalities to championships there might be something to that. Rambis may or may not suck as a head coach since he never really had talented teams to work with. But I doubt that you can give an honest assessment of his abilities as an assistant to claim what he should or shouldn't be getting paid. .

Yeah, all he did was just show one side of the narrative and that narrative may or may not be true. Does not work well with others always seem to be an easy narrative to put out there.

The other narrative is solely based off of guess work. Berman at least claims to have spoken with the Knicks brass. But you tell me what makes more sense. Phil letting go of one of his *great basketball minds* or whatever the quote was strictly to be vindictive to KP and put him in his place. And in the end probably hurt Phil just as much losing a good coach. Or there being actually legit reasoning for Phil to not renew Longstaff?

yellowboy90 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Berman of the post cleared the air. Longstaff was fired long before this. Before KP skipped the meeting. Completely changes the narrative.

Link: http://nypost.com/2017/05/23/the-real-reason-behind-firing-of-a-kristaps-porzingis-favorite/

Perhaps this was part of KP's little hissy fit at exit meeting time? Not Phil being vindictive as some of you would liked?
Whats next? "Concession hot dog vender "Mike the hot dawg guy" was moved fem the lower lodge seating to the blue seats, in what is an obvious move by phil to continue to disrupt KP's pre game routine of waving to him........."
or....
"In an obvious move to shake up the culture of the garden, Lorenzo smith, one of the security guards in the parking area in the service tunnel got a new job in queens. Some garden staffers think it was a deliberate snub by phil as he did not match the raise he received. An ananomous source said "No man, "Renzo lives in queens, its like 10 minutes from his apartment and he gets to spend more time with is new baby girl!". The security guard was friendly with many of the players, including Melo who usually kept a good parking spot for him. With Lorenzo gone, its not sure if Melo will lift his NTC. Just another example of Phil being short sighted?

I actually think it may have factored into KP skipping the meeting. He clearly wouldn't agree with this. But it makes perfect sense that it happened long before it was reported.

When did KP hear about Longstaff not being renewed?

Sounds like Phil is trying to get his side of the story out with this article. This is good news because it looks like an attempt by Phil to bring the temperature down between the Knicks and Porzingis. Too many times we've seen the opposite approach, so this is a welcome development.

If the reporting was done properly then there would be no need for Phil to turn down the temperature. He has to interrupt his attention and energy that should be used for scouting and working the phones building possible trade packages or scouting players already in the NBA to see fits that other team may want to dump.

Phil didn't retain Longstaff which in Phil's eyes *will improve the Knicks* since Longstaff apparently didn't work well with the other coaches besides Bliss.

But how does any of the false narratives and negative attention created by the media *help the Knicks*??

Of course Phil had to turn down the temperature. Phil's passive aggressive tweets, unnecessary comments about players through the media. Hiring Rambis (apparently the highest paid assistant in the league), in spite of being one of the worst coaches in NBA history. His only talent seems to be pissing off players.

No other team president as far as I can tell has made things more unnecessarily complicated. From the mandated system, to antagonizing players. Chalking all this up to being the media's fault is creating a very false narrative. As I said, Phil trying to cool things down is a good thing. Hope its a change in direction.

Media's job is to report the news and uncover truth. Not make **** up. In this case Berman is the only one who seems to have done did his job. Longstaff was not renewed but it was reported that he was fired. The decision to not renew Longstaff was decided before KPs exit meeting. Not to be vindictive toward KP for missing out on the exit meeting. KPs actions of missing the exit meeting created this narrative not Phil's tweeting history. The reasoning for Longstaff not being renewed was said to be because he didn't work well with other coaches on staff. Doing actual reporting work by Berman seems to have uncovered the reasoning rather then spewing out a agenda driven narrative. So Phil did not act dysfunctional but Longstaff may have caused some type of dysfunction within the coaching staff and this move might clean up some of that up.

Everything you named Phil has done at the end of the day is what he believes will help make the Knicks better. Based off his track record of dealing with personalities to championships there might be something to that. Rambis may or may not suck as a head coach since he never really had talented teams to work with. But I doubt that you can give an honest assessment of his abilities as an assistant to claim what he should or shouldn't be getting paid. .

Yeah, all he did was just show one side of the narrative and that narrative may or may not be true. Does not work well with others always seem to be an easy narrative to put out there.

The other narrative is solely based off of guess work. Berman at least claims to have spoken with the Knicks brass. But you tell me what makes more sense. Phil letting go of one of his *great basketball minds* or whatever the quote was strictly to be vindictive to KP and put him in his place. And in the end probably hurt Phil just as much losing a good coach. Or there being actually legit reasoning for Phil to not renew Longstaff?

Based on Phil past I don't know. I also know that Berman has been the Knicks brass mouthpiece for a while so I also take that into account. Longstaff may have issues working together with other staffers but it also would not surprise me if he was not renewed because he just didn't get along with Rambis.

Are we all correct to perpetuate the notion that Phil puts loyalty and friendship over competency? Thus he protects and tries to promote Rambis as head coach but fans outcry and "Dolan" stepped in to protect the team from that? If phil thought he could win with Rambis, he'd have hired him.

Those looking at phil and want to see that Longstreet was stepped on by the evil Rambis ("Rambis" does sound like a dark warloard darkside type figure!). To say "I wouldn't be suprised" perpetuates a stereotype of him. While your not media, and we just talking, your kinda making stuff up without any basis other than conjecture that Rambis won-loss record as a head coach was bad and he was not an effective communicator in his interim stint last year. We have no basis that he has a history of undermining second row assistant coaches.

We do know that He is loyal to Phil, and phil trusts him. This is based on phil's tenure as a 11 time champion and winningest coach of all time. He hired rambis in the capacity of assistant coach. It was reported he had to interview for the job with Hornacek and jeff's decision to keep him. Phil had two opportunities to hire Rambis as head coach. He did not.
Im not defending Rambis or the job he has done. Im not going to defend Phil because 17-32-31 is what it is. I know Phil said he liked his teams. I also know Phil has to sell tickets and won't ever say "we suck".

I don't know what the confusion was last season but we do know it existed. If you don't like Phil, you don't like Longstreet not being renewed and one would try to link it as just another of PHil's "Mistakes".

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Berman of the post cleared the air. Longstaff was fired long before this. Before KP skipped the meeting. Completely changes the narrative.

Link: http://nypost.com/2017/05/23/the-real-reason-behind-firing-of-a-kristaps-porzingis-favorite/

Perhaps this was part of KP's little hissy fit at exit meeting time? Not Phil being vindictive as some of you would liked?
Whats next? "Concession hot dog vender "Mike the hot dawg guy" was moved fem the lower lodge seating to the blue seats, in what is an obvious move by phil to continue to disrupt KP's pre game routine of waving to him........."
or....
"In an obvious move to shake up the culture of the garden, Lorenzo smith, one of the security guards in the parking area in the service tunnel got a new job in queens. Some garden staffers think it was a deliberate snub by phil as he did not match the raise he received. An ananomous source said "No man, "Renzo lives in queens, its like 10 minutes from his apartment and he gets to spend more time with is new baby girl!". The security guard was friendly with many of the players, including Melo who usually kept a good parking spot for him. With Lorenzo gone, its not sure if Melo will lift his NTC. Just another example of Phil being short sighted?

I actually think it may have factored into KP skipping the meeting. He clearly wouldn't agree with this. But it makes perfect sense that it happened long before it was reported.

When did KP hear about Longstaff not being renewed?

Sounds like Phil is trying to get his side of the story out with this article. This is good news because it looks like an attempt by Phil to bring the temperature down between the Knicks and Porzingis. Too many times we've seen the opposite approach, so this is a welcome development.

If the reporting was done properly then there would be no need for Phil to turn down the temperature. He has to interrupt his attention and energy that should be used for scouting and working the phones building possible trade packages or scouting players already in the NBA to see fits that other team may want to dump.

Phil didn't retain Longstaff which in Phil's eyes *will improve the Knicks* since Longstaff apparently didn't work well with the other coaches besides Bliss.

But how does any of the false narratives and negative attention created by the media *help the Knicks*??

Of course Phil had to turn down the temperature. Phil's passive aggressive tweets, unnecessary comments about players through the media. Hiring Rambis (apparently the highest paid assistant in the league), in spite of being one of the worst coaches in NBA history. His only talent seems to be pissing off players.

No other team president as far as I can tell has made things more unnecessarily complicated. From the mandated system, to antagonizing players. Chalking all this up to being the media's fault is creating a very false narrative. As I said, Phil trying to cool things down is a good thing. Hope its a change in direction.

Media's job is to report the news and uncover truth. Not make **** up. In this case Berman is the only one who seems to have done did his job. Longstaff was not renewed but it was reported that he was fired. The decision to not renew Longstaff was decided before KPs exit meeting. Not to be vindictive toward KP for missing out on the exit meeting. KPs actions of missing the exit meeting created this narrative not Phil's tweeting history. The reasoning for Longstaff not being renewed was said to be because he didn't work well with other coaches on staff. Doing actual reporting work by Berman seems to have uncovered the reasoning rather then spewing out a agenda driven narrative. So Phil did not act dysfunctional but Longstaff may have caused some type of dysfunction within the coaching staff and this move might clean up some of that up.

Everything you named Phil has done at the end of the day is what he believes will help make the Knicks better. Based off his track record of dealing with personalities to championships there might be something to that. Rambis may or may not suck as a head coach since he never really had talented teams to work with. But I doubt that you can give an honest assessment of his abilities as an assistant to claim what he should or shouldn't be getting paid. .

Most outlets reported that his contract wasn't renewed, not that he was fired. Now you're making **** up. They let go one of KP's favorite coaches at a time when tensions are high between both parties with little explanation. Thats Phil's fault for not explaining sooner why he did it. Left himself open to all this drama.

I dont give a rat's ass what Phil feels. I care about this being the worst stretch in franchise history. Rambis sucks as a head coach, sucks as an asst coach. Nothing and I mean nothing Rambis brings to the table is worth making him the highest paid asst in the NBA. When Phil says that Rambis knows everything that he knows, thats wrong. Knowing something and being able to teach it in a way that players will respond are two entirely different things.

My honest assessment of his abilities as a coach is that he is by record, one of the worst head coaches in NBA history. You make it sound like he is the only coach to ever have a roster with holes in it. Still managed to show less as a coach than almost every other head coach in 70 years of basketball. Thats a fact. No one on the team had a good thing to say when Rambis's name was floated as permanent head coach last summer.

I find it funny that I can compliment Phil repeatedly on his good moves, but the second I criticize him, his Clyde Tolson, the cult comes out in force. Results matter, at what point do the excuses end?

Not that you don't have better things to do, but you will find if you go a few years back that I posted about being no fan of Rambis as a coach when he was with the Wolves. Ive seen him coach, more recently in NY. Im not sure how much evidence you need that he's not good at the job. All those years sitting next to Phil, doesn't appear that he picked up enough to get the job done.

Let me ask you this, if Tex Winter was the president of the Bulls and was keeping his distance. Phil was the new head coach, and Rambis was his assistant in charge of mentoring Phil on the Triangle. You really think Phil would have won all those rings?

Its not just knowing the Triangle, its knowing how to teach it, knowing how to sell it. Ive seen no evidence in Rambis's career as a coach thst he has the talent to do either.

Maybe he can excel as a trainer, but I dont see someone who is good at building relationships with players. Dont need to prove beyond a doubt that Rambis is unpopular with players, just watch the games.

Phil Jackson has only complicated rocky relationship with Kristaps Porzingis by letting go of his favorite assistant

Phil Jackson sent Kristaps Porzingis the basketball equivalent of a Sicilian message by declining to retain assistant coach Josh Longstaff, who was Porzingis’ workout guy and confidant.

Apparently, Phil can’t get to Porzingis so he hurt someone close to him. That isn’t Zen. That’s Tony Soprano.

It’s also a very risky game Jackson is playing with Porzingis, the future of the club. The relationship between the second-year forward and the Knicks is on the rocks. This makes things worse, not better.

It’s unclear if Longstaff, a holdover from the Derek Fisher regime, was shown the door before or after Jackson met with Porzingis’ brother/quasi agent Janis. The Daily News reported that the meeting did not go well.

Knicks cut ties with assistant Josh Longstaff
Clearly, Janis and Kristaps like Longstaff, who traveled to Latvia last summer to train Porzingis and was asked to join the Latvian national team as an assistant coach. That would seem to be a good thing for the Knicks; they’d have one of their own monitor the team’s most important player during the summer.

But perhaps the Knicks — Jackson, Jeff Hornacek and Kurt Rambis in particular — felt threatened by Longstaff’s close relationship with Porzingis. Or perhaps as a way to cover their shortcomings they blamed Longstaff for Porzingis skipping his exit meeting with Jackson.

In case you haven’t been paying attention, the Knicks are big on assigning blame and don’t understand the concept of accountability.

Jackson is really one of a kind. His two best players, Carmelo Anthony and Porzingis, have no use for him yet Phil is more interested in settling petty scores with the media. (That’s another MSG tradition.)

His comments from a couple of weeks ago about a conversation with NBA Commissioner Adam Silver were telling.

“We have a number of issues that I think are important,” Jackson said. “The press is one of them. You guys want to knock us around a little bit and make it seem like we don’t know what we’re doing. But they’re comfortable.”

For one, Phil doesn’t know what he’s doing. But more importantly, the problem isn’t that the media thinks that way, it’s that Kristaps and Team Porzingis think that way.

As for Hornacek, he’s not exactly a “we’re all in this together” type of head coach. He has a history of not standing up for his assistant coaches, dating back to the Suns demanding that he fire Mike Longabardi.

Yes, that’s the same Longabardi, who broke in with Jeff Van Gundy in Houston, who has been the Cavs defensive coach the last two seasons.

So there is evidence that Hornacek, just like Phil, doesn’t know what he’s doing, either. Good luck repairing your relationship with Kristaps next season, Jeff.

After a highly disappointing season, it is very Knick-like to fire an anonymous assistant coach who from all indications was popular among the players, including Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook during his days in OKC, worked hard and did his job. Those values have never been appreciated at MSG.

But Longstaff’s future is bright. The Garden has a time-honored history of not knowing a good thing when it has it. Tom Thibodeau and Steve Clifford were also booted out in similar fashion. Remember that when Longstaff becomes a head coach.

And remember that the program and the culture that Jackson has been paid a king’s ransom to build has resulted in an 80-166 record and a 7-foot-3 disgruntled franchise player.

Porzingis wasn’t happy when the season ended and his mood won’t improve with the news about Longstaff.

It doesn’t make much sense but considering the way the Knicks continue to be run under Jackson, it makes perfect sense.